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Gantry has a list similar to this on his website.  The difference is hopefully what will compel you guys to vote - it is the opinion of the masses.  

If it becomes obvious that this post is a failure, I will end it in shame and think of something more pathetic to post.

This is somewhat an extension of my last poll and will influence whether or not I do a poll for an RBI Hall of Fame.

The Ground Rules:

Voting should be based on how well you have done with a particular player.  Voters should have played with every player in each category - (I mean really, how long have you been playing this game)

In a Purist spirit, the All-Star teams are not included.

Voting will be done by positions.


The number of polls used to determine a winner is subject to change, and probably will change.

How is the Winner Determined?
If one player receives more than 15 votes and holds a plurality, voting will close and he will be declared the winner.

This message will be posted, along with any modifications, on each new post throughout this series of polls.

The winners will be posted on a separate post, as well as on this post.

DvlDog, you're out of control.  I can't even imagine how much time you put into your posts/polls.  Anyway, thanks.

I voted for Matty Nokes, and I can't believe that anyone else is better.  Gary Carter is definitely second and sorry, Gedman is #3.  But those two guys aren't even close to Matty.  He can go deep at any time and he's left-handed.  Carter and Gedman are righties and extremely prone to hitting pussy fly balls or grounding into the dreaded 6-4-3 DP.  Nokes is the catcher of all catchers, even if you included the All-Star teams (Santiago and Schroeder.)  It really isn't close.  I'm not sure this is even debatable.

I voted for Carter, a great righty to have hittiing behind Straw.  I'd have to go with Gedman second and Nokes third.  I always had a bit of a knack with Pena, but to me Carter outshines every other catcher by far.

I will definately vote and again I applaud the ridiculous complexity of your posts.  Man I like to read books on astophysics and then get on here to cool my steamy noggin down.  Guess I should start using porn or something for that since you have upped the IQ on here.  Anyways, won't this voting system take like 2 years to finish the poll?  Oh well I am in.

Also, what happens after that year is up you have your all time team and realize that they are the Tigers + Jim Rice?

It's gotta be Carter over Nokes.  Carter's a better hitter and his man-perm gives him bonus points.

First off dvldog, this is a great thread.  It's good to get some generated RBI discussion!

No surpise here (since my rankings are posted) I went for Nokes.  I think most straight-pitch people would agree that the slight power edge for Carter is nullified by the lefty-factor.  Too many DPs for Carter...

Gedman is definitely worthy, he might be best one-game catcher when hot.  That fuck will go yard 4 straight ABs when he's on.  But he isn't on all the time...

Edit - I would probably give at least two weeks before you lock these votes.  We have our group of regulars and other guys who come by every week or two.  I think two weeks would be better to get another 6-10 votes in.  Maybe do a new poll every week, but wait two weeks before you lock them.  Up to you though, it's your baby...

Edit 2 - I would probably change the title to say, RBI's All-Time Team, Catcher.  You agree?  That way when you get multiple polls in here, they can be sifted through.  

My Top 3 in order:

1)Carter
2)Nokes
3)Gedman

After that...WHO CARES!

Gotta go with Kid, if he doesn't have a good game NY usually won't win.

I hate Nokes. Never clutch. He's only good for a homerun after somebody else clears the bases.
I go with Boone because he comes up big when you least expect it.

I'll take Matt Nokes for a dollar.

Actually, we've all been itching to talk RBI.  It's good to have fresh blood like yourself to generate discussion...

I have to give my vote to Nokes- he always hits more HRs for me than Garry.  It seems like whenever Carter is up with a runner on base he bounces a DP ball to third.  The one strike against Nokes however is that he grounds out to rightfield more than all the other players combined.  This is a really sweet idea, by the way.

I would go with Darrell Evans as the worst groundball-out-to-RF, but Matty is definitely my #2.  Lips and Pots don't like it when they get the back-to-back gb2rf plays with Nokes & Evans.  They are the Bash Brothers of outfield groudouts...

Are groundouts to RF that common for you guys?  I can only remember it happening once in my entire RBI career!

Pretty common in straight pitch - you have a lefty up and typically a runner on first.  Since the lefty hit is so common you are expecting a hard grounder to right.  Pick it up and throw fast.  You have to be prepared for it though...

If Armas did it, then it must be a screwed up swing.  You're not telling me you've had a groundball out to LF have you?  I've tried many a times and haven't come close...

Now the groundball to 3rd and having him beat Armas to first base is my specialty.  I've only done it against one other player, but can't remember who.  Potsie?

QuoteI work with a kid who swears he's thrown runners out at first from left field...never seen it, though.  But the claim is out there, none the less.

I don't think I can believe it.  I've never been closer than 1-2 steps and I've played a few almost as well as you can.  I'm willing to accept the pitcher homer even though it's never happened to us, but this one would be a "show me the money"

But these Armas groundouts to OF were to right field, correct?

I'm willing to buy the pitcher wallsie... I've seen them come mildly close before, so I can believe that it's possible.  The in-the-parker isn't too hard to do against the computer (my usual opponent, since I don't have a human opponent in town anymore).  Usually, it's a slow roller - the computer will chase it with the pitcher just enough to get his shortstop out of position, then chase it with the shortstop until the OFs are out of position, finally letting it get just past the OF, who's not fast enough to get it before it hits the wall.  It's rarely a close play at the plate, even with a pitcher's speed.  You could say it's because of errors, since the fielding was fairly inept, but there aren't any bops or bad throws.

As for throwing a guy out from LF, no freaking way, even with Armas.  I've thrown guys out from RF plenty of times, but even that is usually only by a couple of steps, and I've never even had a close play from CF.  I've seen the out at first from computer stupidity, like dvldog mentioned, but that's a completely different thing.

I concur 100% with the BeefMaster...

I'm going to get this video capture card working today and will hopefully get a video of the groundout-to-RF on the site.  Of course my HD crashed and only have Linux downstairs, which doesn't support this $40 capture card I just bought.  So it's the 550mhz AMD with Win98 machine upstairs.  This oughta be fun...

Gedman is the clear cut favorite.  Those of you who did not vote for him should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm still quite skeptical, though I've never tried the quick run to second base.  It typically yields a quicker throw, butt at the expense of time to run.  I'll give it a Doubting Thomas maybe...

The "quick run toward second" idea sounds to me like complete BS - the first baseman already has to have the ball before he can run to a base, so it would do exactly zero good to make him "stretch".  Besides, RBI is too old a game for the programmers to have wasted precious space on something as unlikely as an obscure method for simulating a first baseman's stretch.  Also, we all know that if you try to turn a DP too quickly, you won't get credit for the out at 2nd, so running off the base really quickly sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Actually, I have a friend who use to make up ludicrous stories about NES games when we were in elementary school, and this sounds like that type of thing.  Example: he claimed his dad found a secret world in Zelda II that you could only get to by going through a window in the last castle, and that he'd called Nintendo Power about, and that they replied that it was so secret that they wouldn't mention it to the public for five years.

I've got to chime in on this ordeal.  NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE!

Quote from: Glassjoe on 12/01/03, 08:14:07 PM
Well, like I said, it was a kid from work...I didn't actually see or do it.  But, he could be right...if you're pitching a fastball inside to a rightie and after it's very sharply grounded to the left fielder, you're still holding down from the inside fastball pitch--so your left fielder is "going with the pitch" and then you fire a rocket to first and exactly when the first baseman catches the ball, you hit B and have him run toward 2nd(creating a "stretch" effect)...then you nail armas by 1/8th of a step--or so he says.

This is an outright lie.  If this kid said that to me I'd punch him in the face.

Like I said, not fucking possible.  I agree with GDavis.  I'd give the kid a savage (suckas favorite word) beating for even trying to justify it.

Let's actually think about it for a sec.  The ball would have to be smoked right at your player.  You would have to run and throw all in one motion, making sure it was the throw of the century.  And the guy hitting the ball would have to be about as fast as Sid Bream rounding third trying to score from second.

Really, anything is possible.  If it really happened and he swears by it, fine.  But it will never happen again and can almost be chalked up to a crazy fuckin' glitch.  Like Gantry always says, RBI will never stop amazing us.  But this one is a serious leap of faith.

Quote from: fknmclane on 11/30/03, 08:59:11 PM
DvlDog, you're out of control.  I can't even imagine how much time you put into your posts/polls.  Anyway, thanks.

I voted for Matty Nokes, and I can't believe that anyone else is better.  Gary Carter is definitely second and sorry, Gedman is #3.  But those two guys aren't even close to Matty.  He can go deep at any time and he's left-handed.  Carter and Gedman are righties and extremely prone to hitting pussy fly balls or grounding into the dreaded 6-4-3 DP.  Nokes is the catcher of all catchers, even if you included the All-Star teams (Santiago and Schroeder.)  It really isn't close.  I'm not sure this is even debatable.

This is another error in RBI as Gedman hit lefty.

Carter's the man.  And I think I'd put Laudner and maybe Gedman in front of Nokes too.  Nokes benefits from both lefty bias and a ton of protection in that lineup.

erhajj, great call with Geddy--I never noticed it before.
He is a lefty.

Quote from: Glassjoe on 12/04/03, 01:47:58 PM
Update...I showed my work buddy this entire thread and he guaranteed that he would kid everybody's ass on this thread...at the same time.

To prove this, he asked me to hold an RBI tournament at our office in Columbus OH and invite everyone on the thread, and A) he can show you the stretch theory, and B) he'll welcome the "savage" beatings and punch to the face offers.

Also, he says, "Guess what, assholes?  You say it can't work because the first baseman has to already have the ball to run?  Well, what about the home run pullback from a shot 10 rows deep??"

So by that rationale, if something "that" unbelievable happens, why can't the "stretch" happen?

He's visibly angry, by the way.  :)

That's nice.  Has anyone thrown out a runner at 1st from RF by more than 1 step.  I've never seen it, but if someone can confirm that then maybe it's possible to do it from LF.  Seems to me the out from RF to 1B is always a very close play, making the MUCH longer throw from LF impossible.

By the way, you have a pick to make in the RBI fantasy draft.

Quote from: Glassjoe on 12/04/03, 01:47:58 PM
Update...I showed my work buddy this entire thread and he guaranteed that he would kid everybody's ass on this thread...at the same time.

To prove this, he asked me to hold an RBI tournament at our office in Columbus OH and invite everyone on the thread, and A) he can show you the stretch theory, and B) he'll welcome the "savage" beatings and punch to the face offers.

Also, he says, "Guess what, assholes?  You say it can't work because the first baseman has to already have the ball to run?  Well, what about the home run pullback from a shot 10 rows deep??"

So by that rationale, if something "that" unbelievable happens, why can't the "stretch" happen?

He's visibly angry, by the way.  :)

I've got to step in here for a minute. This thread is becoming increasingly disturbing.
Here's what this linebacker should do. We'll call him LT.
LT, play RBI Baseball. Do the "stretch". Tape it. Post it here.
If you care so much to convince everyone here that it exists--this is the way to go.
Idle threats are no way of convincing us. Neither is a tournament in Columbus. I sure as fuck am never going to Columbus, nor would I be caught dead there. I'm sure a few others here would agree.
How about we never argue about the fucking stretch anymore. Obviously, nobody here will be convinced that it's real until we see it or spoke with someone who did. Sorry LT, you're not a reliable source.

Thank You

Wait a minute.  First he said he did it.  Now he thinks he did it.  LT is definitely a good name.

QuoteThis is another error in RBI as Gedman hit lefty.

I can't belive this wasn't mentioned before, wow!  Looks like another entry for the glitch page...

Regarding the "stretch" - Lipitz does it on occasion and I personally don't think it does much.  Regardless if the stretch works or not I don't think you can get a ball to first fast enough to let the stretch make a difference.  I've never been within a step...

The stretch may work for some plays, but I still don't see that helping the LF throw...

But instead of knocking two techniques I've never used before, I'm going to try them out next time I play.  I'd prefer that to insulting somebody I never met.  I thought the run-technique was complete BS until I actually started using it.  So you never know...

Whoops, it's the run-in technique and I can't believe it's not on there.  One of the great "secrets" that some RBI'ers don't know about...

I'll try to add it today...

I can't believe that this poll is as close as it is.  Nokes is the hands down best catcher.  His power is unmatched and none of the catchers can run.  Plus he is a lefty.  I thought you guys were RBI guru's...

Do you concur, Mr. Lipitz?  I concur with Jason.  Yes, Matt Nokes is the best catcher in the game.

Quote from: Vitb6 on 12/04/03, 10:00:39 PM
I can't believe that this poll is as close as it is.  Nokes is the hands down best catcher.  His power is unmatched and none of the catchers can run.  Plus he is a lefty.  I thought you guys were RBI guru's...

Checking out the catcher power ratings confirms what I already believed.  Nokes has the 4th best power rating behind Carter, Laundromat and Gedman.  I know you guys prefer lefties so I understand you rating him over Gedman and Laudner, but over Carter???  Get off the crack-pipe!

GDavis, you just blew my fucking mind.  I had no idea he was number 4 on power for catchers.  I still vote for Fat Nokes but after playing RBI for almost two decades he feels to have more power.

That kinda goes with my whole average thing I was talking about in one of the many threads we have going.

Can't we come up with a formula for player ratings?  Contact + power + speed or some shit like that.  I'm gonna check it out.  Actually, I'll make a new thread and get some opinions on this.

Contact is still the biggest mystery in RBI - it doesn't seem to affect anything.  Look at Evans and Jackson's contact ratings, they don't do squat...

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