The NEW ROM (Davis power changed from 8730 to 873 - kind of a big difference) is Attached - See Bottom
Modified Version III has team names on the team-select screen - wow, I gotta start proof-reading
Gantry - Ca
CDavis
Gibson
DaEvns
Jacksn
Whitkr
Tramml
Nokes
DCincs
Jones
Spilmn
Armas
Shrdan
Clemns
Blylvn
Hrndez
Brnger
sucka free - Bo
Burks
Baylor
Jacksn
DaEvns
Nokes
Tramml
Whitkr
Gaetti
Gibson
Armas
Jones
Sullvn
Gooden
N.Ryan
Orosco
Brnger
vgp100 - Dt
CDavis
Gibson
Tramml
DaEvns
Brnsky
Gedman
Thmpsn
Brookn
Jones
Burks
Shrdan
Bergmn
Krukow
Clemns
Brnger
Worrel
fknmclane - Mn
Tramml
Pndltn
CDavis
Jacksn
DaEvns
Nokes
Gibson
Whitkr
Jones
Lindmn
Lopes
Burks
Tudor
Gooden
Orosco
Hrndez
GDavis - Ho
Lemon
J.Rice
Jacksn
DaEvns
Carter
Tramml
Gaetti
Whitkr
Armas
Burks
Jones
Lindmn
N.Ryan
Gooden
Orosco
Worrel
vitb6 - NY
Tramml
Gibson
DCincs
Jacksn
DaEvns
Nokes
Whitkr
McGee
Shrdan
Spilmn
Jones
Armas
Sutton
Clemns
Hrndez
Brnger
doveRBI - SL
Tramml
CDavis
J.Rice
Jacksn
DaEvns
Boggs
Carter
Whitkr
Armas
Jones
Shrdan
Spilmn
N.Ryan
Blylvn
Orosco
Reardn
BeefMaster - SF
Colman
Tramml
Strwby
Hrbek
Gaetti
CDavis
Whitkr
T.Pena
Burks
Bush
Lopes
Lindmn
N.Ryan
Gooden
Brnger
Orosco
First Team - Am
C - Matt Nokes
1B - Darrell Evans
2B - Lou Whitaker
SS - Alan Trammell
3B - Gary Gaetti
LF - Kirk Gibson
CF - Chili Davis
RF - Reggie Jackson
PH 1 - Ruppert Jones
PH 2 - Ellis (Tim) Burks
PH 3 - Tony Armas
PH 4 - Pat Sheridan
SP 1 - Doc Gooden
SP 2 - Nolan Ryan
RP 1 - Jesse Orosco
RP 2 - Juan Berenguer
Second Team - Na
C - Gary Carter
1B - Will Clark
2B - Tommy Herr
SS - Ozzie Smith
3B - Doug DeCinces
LF - Jim Rice
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Darryl Strawberry
PH 1 - Harry Spilman
PH 2 - Lindeman
PH 3 - Danny Heep
PH 4 - Bill Madlock
SP 1 - Roger Clemens
SP 2 - Krukow
RP 1 - Hernandez
RP 2 - Scott Garrelts
Votes and Players by Team
Dt - 9 Players with 96 Votes
NY - 5 Players with 34 Votes
SF - 5 Players with 23 Votes
Bo - 4 Players with 28 Votes
Ca - 3 Players with 28 Votes
SL - 3 Players with 5 Votes
Mn - 2 Players with 18 Votes
Ho - 1 Player with 6 Votes
J.Rice's Rankings - Top Ten Teams
1 - Forum Team I
2 - GDavis
*3 - sucka free
4 - Gantry
5 - fknmclane
6 - BeefMaster
7 - vgp100
8 - doveRBI
9 - vitb6
10 - Forum Team II
* More Than One Player For One Position/Player In Wrong Position
Lengthy Synopsis:
1 - Forum Team I (13-5)
Avg Score: 17-12
Best Home Record (8-1)
Best Defense/Potching (12 runs/game - 218 Total)
Recorded 3 Shutouts
2 - GDavis (13-5)
Avg Score: 16-13
Tied with Sucka for Best Road Record (7-2)
Recorded 1 Shutout
Shutout Twice
*3 - sucka free (11-7)
Avg Score: 18-15
Best Offense (18 runs/game - 324 Total)
Tied with GDavis for Best Road Record (7-2)
4 - Gantry (10-8)
Avg Score: 17-15
Second Best Offense (17 runs/game - 308 Total)
5 - fknmclane (10-8)
Avg Score: 16-16
Recorded 1 Shutout
Shutout Once
6 - BeefMaster (8-10)
Avg Score: 16-17
Outscored Forum Team I and GDavis in 4 Games
7 - vgp100 (7-11)
Avg Score: 15-17 (274-304 Total - Tie-Breaker)
Scored 34 Runs Against Gantry (Gantry Scored 29)
Second Worst Defense/Pitching (17 runs/game - 304 Total)
8 - doveRBI (7-11)
Avg Score: 15-17 (247-283 Total - Tie-Breaker)
Edged Out By vgp100 in Avg Score
Beat Forum Team I in Both Meetings
Shutout Twice
9 - vitb6 (7-11)
Avg Score: 13-18
Hard to See (see Team Colors)
Worst Defense/Pitching (18 runs/game - 317 Total)
10 - Forum Team II (4-14)
Avg Score: 13-17
Probably Didn't Beat Your Team
Worst Home Record (1-8)
Worst Offense (13 runs/game - 235 Total)
* More Than One Player For One Position/Player In Wrong Position
We can call this Round 1/Season 1/Part 1. If you guys want to propose some ideas, or post your rankings; we can combine them some how to get an Official Ranking - all of the teams are about the same, so it'll be hard to say who's the best without getting heavy opposition.
The solution to the BCS problem is a playoff system - I think it would also work here.
I would include my rankings; combine it with a playoff system for the best 8; and combine that with some kind of tournament (all of this would be simulated of course) - I am definitely open to an expansion of this project - it is an opportunity to drag this thing out and hopefully gain interest from prospective new members.
I think it's a great idea, simply because I'm one of the Great Eight.
Dvldog, you're gonna make roms with each of our eight teams? Or roms with the two all-time teams?
I'm assuming you want our teams in the same format as the all-time teams were voted with.
I'll post my all-time team in a little bit.
C - Fatty Nokes
1B - DaEvans
2B - Sweet Lou Whitaker
SS - Alan Trammell
3B - Terry Pendlesack
LF - Gibby Fistpump
CF - Chili Davis
RF - Reg-gie Jackson
PH1 - Ruppert Jones
PH2 - Lindeman
PH3 - Davey Lopes
PH4 - Tim Burks
SP1 - Johnny Tudor
SP2 - Doc Gooden
RP1 - Father Time Orosco
RP2 - Don't Call Me "Willie" Hernandez
How the hell does mclane have more posts than me? He's only been here a couple months. Nice job dude.
Two Letter Name: GD
Newspaper Name: GlennDavisNuts
Uniform Color: Classic 'Stros
Sking Color: caucasion
Bat/Helmet Color: Classic 'Stros
C - Gary Carter
1B - Darrel Evans (as much as I like GDavis, he sucks)
2B - Lou Shitaker
SS - Alan Trammell
3B - Gary Gaetti
LF - Jim Rice
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Reggie Jackson
PH 1 - Armas
PH 2 - Burks
PH 3 - Jones
PH 4 - Lindeman
SP 1 - Ryan
SP 2 - Gooden
RP 1 - Orosco
RP 2 - Worrell
Oh, this is good.
Two Letter Name: PU
Newspaper Name: PROVO
Uniform Color: Black
Sking Color: Black
Bat/Helmet Color: Red
C - Gedman (6)
1B - Evans (4)
2B - Robby Thompson (you're my boy, Blue) (7)
SS - Trammell (3)
3B - Brookens (8)
LF - Gibson (2)
CF - Chili (1)
RF - Brunanski (5)
PH 1 - Ruppert
PH 2 - Timmy Burks
PH 3 - Pat Sheridan
PH 4 - Dave Bergman
SP 1 - Krukow
SP 2 - Clemens
RP 1 - Senor Smoke
RP 2 - Todd Worrell
Bruno over Jacko?!?!?!?!?!
I'm just a fan--he's got to get love from somewhere.
This is good. I feel like I'm joining some exclusive club or something. I'm honored.
VGP, good call with the Old School quote (I see Blue, he looks glooorious.)
GDavis, I'm a prolific poster/loser. Dvldog is actually going to overtake us both soon.
I've pined for this numerous times, but does heaven include ROM-created RBI on NES cartridges?
Two Letter Name: FU
Newspaper Name: JoeMama
Uniform Color: red
Sking Color: white
Bat/Helmet Color: black
C - Fatty Nokes
batting order #6
1B - DaEvans
batting order #5
2B - Sweet Lou Whitaker
batting order #8
SS - Alan Trammell
batting order #1
3B - Terry Pendlesack
batting order #2
LF - Gibby Fistpump
batting order #7
CF - Chili Davis
batting order #3
RF - Reg-gie Jackson
batting order #4
PH 1 - Ruppert Jones
PH 2 - Lindeman
PH 3 - Davy Lopes
PH 4 - Tim Burks
SP 1 - Johnny Tudor
SP 2 - Doc Gooden
RP 1 - Father Time Orosco
RP 2 - Don't Call Me "Willie" Hernandez
This is a freaking great idea you ho! I will make my team up shortly and post it since I am the Mr. Irrelavent of the Great 8! I have to go and watch 24 now. Is anyone else freaking obsessed with 24? If not you should be. Expect my roster by morning and let me say that in the voting no player recieved a higher percentage of votes than my boy Sweet Lou Whitaker! DoveRBI's team forthcoming... You're my boy blue!
You will fear my drunken team of turd-clad bombers!
Two Letter Name: DV
Newspaper Name: DoveRBI
Uniform Color: Brown
Sking Color: Brown
Bat/Helmet Color: Brown
C - Gary Carter
batting order # 7
1B - Darrell Evans
batting order # 5
2B - Whitaker
batting order # 8
SS - A-Rod Trammel
batting order # 1
3B - Mario-Stache Boggs
batting order # 6
LF - Jimmy Hat Rice
batting order # 3
CF - Chili Dog Davis
batting order # 2
RF - Reggie Jackson
batting order # 4
PH 1 - Antonio Armas
PH 2 - Ru Jones
PH 3 - Patty Sheridan
PH 4 - Harry Met Sally Spilman
SP 1 - Ryan
SP 2 - Blyleven
RP 1 - Orosco
RP 2 - Jeff Takes-it-in-the-Reardon
This could be tricky, but I'll go off my head:
1) Chili Davis
2) Kirk Gibson
3) Darrell Evans
4) Reggie Jackson
5) Lou Whitaker (subbed for Ruppert)
6) Alan Trammel
7) Matt Nokes
8) Doug Decinces (Spilman/Sheridan Time!)
Bench:
Ruppert
Spilman
Armas
Sheridan
Staff:
Clemens
Blyleven
Hernandez
Beringuer
Since I'll have so many studs in the lineup, I went with Armas on my team because if you want a righty for one AB, it would be Tony. Ditto with Clemens, I'm thinking straight pitch for this team, Clemens gets the nod over Krukow.
Thinking a lefty starter could hurt this team in straight pitch....
I'll stick with the same team name and color scheme as my team in the fantasy league. Here's the lineup:
Vince Coleman
Alan Trammel
Darryl Strawberry
Kent Hrbek
Gary Gaetti
Chili Davis
Lou Whitaker
Tony Pena
"Ellis" Burks
Randy Bush
Davey Lopes
John Lindeman
Nolan Ryan
Doc Gooden
Juan Berenguer
Jesse Orosco
Team speed is my strength, and I made sure to pick some guys who have the speed/power combo (Straw, Trammel, Burks). I almost went with the all-speed team (Coleman, Ozzie, Doran, Pettis), but I got about halfway through and realized that they sucked.
Yeah, small ball isn't going to win against the lineups we've been posting. Christ, I pitch half the speedsters donw the middle just to get it over with...
Beef, you have a lineup full of drag-racers! I love it. But I think Gantry is right. I don't know if they can keep up with the power of the rest of the lineups posted. I'd love to have an all-speed team. Raines, Coleman, Ozzie, Straw, Trammell. I'm getting goosebumps.
There aren't any fast 1Bs, so I decided to forget about it for a moment and take my all-time favorite Twin. 3B is another position mostly devoid of speed, so I figured Gaetti would do.
I think my lineup would keep up with the other teams pretty well - I don't have a masher like Reggie, but I have four or five pretty big hitters, plus I can bring Burks off the bench for another speed/power combo.
No speed at third? You're forgetting Terry Pendlesack, the anchor of my infield. He may not be a true speed demon but he's faster than most.
Not a bad idea at all.
Here's another that just popped into my head... maybe someone will want to do this as a future project: Have a draft! Pick 8 "owners" and have them draft from the available players in RBI.
Uh, Red, have you been gone for awhile? We just did this a few weeks ago. We put together a 5-team league (myself, dvldog, Glassjoe, vgp100, and GDavis), put our drafted teams into a custom ROM, and had the computer play an 8-game season, followed by a World Series. Right now, the World Series between myself and dvldog is tied at one game apiece. Check the "Tengen League RBI" board for game recaps, stats, standings, etc.
Tony Pena at catcher?
I know it's illogical, because he isn't really very good, but I've always had a soft spot for Pena. He always played really well for me back in my younger days using the Cards for repeated World Series against one of my friends, and I couldn't bring myself to leave him off. I almost threw in Laudner, but I already had two Twins in my starting lineup.
I can't hate you for that--just look at my team
Quote from: BeefMaster on 12/17/03, 12:28:20 PM
Uh, Red, have you been gone for awhile? We just did this a few weeks ago. We put together a 5-team league (myself, dvldog, Glassjoe, vgp100, and GDavis), put our drafted teams into a custom ROM, and had the computer play an 8-game season, followed by a World Series. Right now, the World Series between myself and dvldog is tied at one game apiece. Check the "Tengen League RBI" board for game recaps, stats, standings, etc.
Dang it... I have been gone for a while actually. I've been pretty busy so I don't get to check dee-nee as often as I'd like. :(
Lineup:
C - Gary Carter
1B - Darrel Evans
2B - Lou Shitaker
SS - Alan Trammell
3B - Gary Gaetti
LF - Jim Rice
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Reggie Jackson
1. Lemon
2. Rice
3. Reggie
4. Evans
5. Carter
6. Trammell
7.Gaetti
8. Whitaker
1. Tim Burks CF
2. Don Baylor LF
3. Reggie Jackson RF
4. Darrell Evens 1b
5. Matt Nokes C
6. Trammell SS
7. Sweet lou 2nd
8. Gaetti 3rd
PH Gibson
PH Armas
PH Ruppert
Ph Sullivan
SP 1 - Doc Gooden
SP 2 - Nolan
RP 1 - Jesse Orosco
RP 2 - Juan Berenguer
What are you doing starting Burks? What kind of fantasy land do you live in.
In the real world Burks first name is Tim and he's on the bench. Gedman and George Brett are righties and Dwight Evans plays centerfield. That's just the way it is!
Maybe I should change mine. I'd like Steve Carlton to be my starting picher. Maybe Bo Jackson in the outfield.
vgp100,
You tread a fine line when you challenge my logic :) I choose burks and baylor becuase of their speed. Most players are ill equiped to handle my baserunning skill. Having speed in the lineup helps tremendously espically if you play curve style and have to leg out hits.
Fantasy land? Or pure genious? I choose the latter.
Quote from: dvldog on 12/19/03, 03:24:29 PM
This should make me look like a moron/dumbass - I can't remember the final tally on that one...
sucka gets to keep his lineup, but nobody else can change theirs - abstractly thinking of the idea of originality - and the idea that he finally DID post a team - I'll have to suck up to sucka and let him have his team the way it is.
It also should serve as a basis of improvement if someone wants to do one of these in the future.
By the way sucka, what did you think about those Rose websites?
Thanks for looking out Dog. I have seen those websites about rose but my opinion still stays as it is. Rose is coming out with a tell-all book on January 8th!!! I'll defintily be reading this when it comes out. Its rumored that he may be writting that he did bet on some games. The details of the book have been keep pretty secretive. Can't wait.
I love that Sucka's rivalry seem to be getting renewed. Dvldog, I have a hard time keeping up with the bredth of the issues we are now tackling as alcohol has crippled my higher brain functions. How far away are we from the fruition of this project>?
I ahve been slow the past 3 months in posting on this site. Then I remembered that I love to drink and hnave sex with women...so I'm posting again;.
I like arguing with sucka. He's always up for a fight and he knows the background to random quotes. (We're with the Ace tomato company) See I'm sure sucka will know where this is from.
Mclane is following in his footsteps as well. Except for the fact that he doesn't like Breakfast Club.
I had some gripes with F'ing McKlane when he first showed up but then he read the glossary and everything seemed peachy. Now I hear that he doesn't do Breakfast Club? You can eat my as F'ing Die Hard guy! Go and watch 3 Emilo Estevez movies immediately. You get bonus points for every Brook Sheilds sighting too! As for sex with women and drinking. Those are Dee-Nee priorities 2 and 3. If you don't love them plus love RBI even more... you might need to shut down.
Quote from: vgp100 on 12/19/03, 04:51:40 PM
I like arguing with sucka. He's always up for a fight and he knows the background to random quotes. (We're with the Ace tomato company) See I'm sure sucka will know where this is from.
Mclane is following in his footsteps as well. Except for the fact that he doesn't like Breakfast Club.
spies like us?
I like when Dove starts drinking.
He's a good, angry drunk.
You da man, sucka.
Dove is more sober drunk, than he is sober.
I plan on proving that beyond a shadow of a doubt later this evening.
Breakfast Club. I'll say it again...BEFORE MY TIME! Don't hold it against me.
I'm glad I got some dee-nee love.
Dove, drink some more 2% and Beam. ;D
Yes, dee-nee priorities are sex and booze, but if we were good at that then we wouldn't be dee-neer's, right?
Quote from: fknmclane on 12/20/03, 02:19:20 AM
Yes, dee-nee priorities are sex and booze, but if we were good at that then we wouldn't be dee-neer's, right?
Well said. That was quite scrumtrilescent!
The idot computer user fknmclane is back in full effect.
I downloaded the ROM to my computer. I can play it on MAME, right? I already have that and am able to play the arcade version. How do I get the ROM to work on there? Sorry guys. I wish I would learn this shit by now. I'd play much more on the computer if I had a joystick. Christmas present to myself!
Just saw the rom for the first time... great work dvldog. Are you gonna be putting our initials in the select screen...? Anyways, nice move vitb camoflaging your players. As for mine they look like turds just as i requested!
Well his colors came out great.
I am proud to use my 400th post to report that my team is a bunch of studs. I wanted to test their mettle so I set to watch a game of my boys vs. the forum "a" team. We beat them down 24-19 in classic brawl. Da. Evans didn't contribute much though shitting himself the whole game to match his uni. Nolan Ryan even gave up a top 2nd 2 run triple to Doc Gooden. I immediately poured the appropriate 10 drinks directly onto my cpu. Despite these opening day miscues my boys performed admirably with such moves as a pinch hit 2 run blast by none other than Urmas himself. Looking forward to welcoming all comers!
QuoteI can play it on MAME, right?
No. You need a NES emulator - MAME only works for arcade ROMs, which we don't know how to edit. The consensus is that your best bet is FCEUltra - get it here (http://xodnizel.net/fceultra/). FYI, to change from window to full-screen and back, press F4 - that took me awhile to figure out the first time I used it.
Thanks Beef. I just got finished giving The Turd Burglars the beating of a lifetime. 24-14, all over in the sixth. I had 14 homers. 14!
Shit! I am at my in-laws for the holidays and all I can get here is dial up. That sucks about like getting handed a pint of beer and then finding out it is busch n/a. Dammit!
Fifth ain't that bad I guess. I'll take a winning record any day.
JimRice/Dvldog, how do you get all this shit done for us? You're like a dee-nee Christmas angel or some shit.
Notice that sucka got the ole *asterisk* next to his name. Better fix that up. Great work as usual dvldog, but I think we will need a more comprehensive sample to uncover our teams true tendencies i.e. my total dominance.
Dove, you're married? Does your wife also drink milk and Beam?
7th place kinda sucks. I think the problem is--the computer is an asshole. If a player used my team it would be dominant. I arranged that squad for human play. That's why the computer has held a grudge against the team from Provo. (The story is Provo)
This is like the BCS.
We need to take into consideration strength of schedule, quality wins and Human polls.
Two Letter Name:
[Once a letter has been used in each slot, I don't think it can be used again - ex. (If Reggie wants Rg, Retard Guy will have to think of a different two-letter name) I didn't have much with it last time, so I just used the default. We'll see how it goes this time]
Newspaper Name:
Uniform Color:
Sking Color:
Bat/Helmet Color:
C - (batting order)
1B - ()
2B - ()
SS - ()
3B - ()
LF - ()
CF - ()
RF - ()
PH 1 -
PH 2 -
PH 3 -
PH 4 -
SP 1 -
SP 2 -
RP 1 -
RP 2 -
This is still open; Reggie requested to be put on the team, so there are 9 spots open. Quite a few new members have joined since (not because of) I posted the Guest incentive thread.
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=1174;start=0#lastPost (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=1174;start=0#lastPost)
Ya know how a lot of new members post once or twice, and never really get into it?
Well the idea was to provide a "push start" if anyone wanted one. Halaris' crew doesn't seem to need one, though, and I think they are the big reason for all of these new guests... but it's open for any new guests from "seddrah" on... technically, BDawk as well.
Two Letter Name: RF
[Once a letter has been used in each slot, I don't think it can be used again - ex. (If Reggie wants Rg, Retard Guy will have to think of a different two-letter name) I didn't have much with it last time, so I just used the default. We'll see how it goes this time]
Newspaper Name: DvBreast
Uniform Color:Blue
Sking Color: normal
Bat/Helmet Color: Black
C - Nokes(8)
1B - Will Clark (3)
2B - Whittaker(2)
SS - Trammel(1)
3B - Decinces(7)
LF - Jim Rice(6)
CF - Strawberry(5)
RF - Reggie Jackson(4)
PH 1 -Ruppert Jones
PH 2 - Armas
PH 3 - Wilfong
PH 4 - Lindeman
SP 1 -Clemens
SP 2 -Gooden
RP 1 -Beringuer
RP 2 - Worrel
Two Letter Name: An
Newspaper Name: Andy
Uniform Color: Light Blue
Sking Color: normal
Bat/Helmet Color: Dark Blue
C - Carter (6)
1B - Will Clark (5)
2B - Whittaker (8)
SS - Trammell (1)
3B - Gaetti (7)
LF - Jim Rice (3)
CF - Chili Davis (2)
RF - Baylor (4)
PH 1 - Madlock
PH 2 - Burks
PH 3 - Armas
PH 4 - Jones
SP 1 - Blyleven
SP 2 - M. Scott
RP 1 - Kerfeld
RP 2 - Berenguer
Here we go with the insanity thing...:
Two Letter Name: Gt
Newspaper Name: JoeBob
Uniform Color: Dark Green
Skin Color: Caucasian
Bat/Helmet Color: Black
C - Matt Nokes(4)
1B -Mark McGuire (1)
2B - Robbie Thompson(8)
SS -Ozzie Smith(7)
3B - George Brett(5)
LF - Mookie Wilson(6)
CF - Lenny Dykstra(3)
RF - Darryl Strawberry(2)
PH 1 - Wade Boggs
PH 2 - Reggie Jackson
PH 3 - Howard Johnson
PH 4 - Andreas Gallarraga
SP 1 - Nolan Ryan
SP 2 - Bret Saberhagen
RP 1 - Roger McDowell
RP 2 - Frank Viola
Forgot to ask... any players banned (such as AL and NL players?) If so, I'll redo all this...
Quote from: G-Funk on 04/14/04, 11:15:43 PM
Here we go with the insanity thing...:
Two Letter Name: Gt
Newspaper Name: JoeBob
Uniform Color: Dark Green
Skin Color: Caucasian
Bat/Helmet Color: Black
C - Matt Nokes(4)
1B -Mark McGuire (1)
2B - Robbie Thompson(8)
SS -Ozzie Smith(7)
3B - George Brett(5)
LF - Mookie Wilson(6)
CF - Lenny Dykstra(3)
RF - Darryl Strawberry(2)
PH 1 - Wade Boggs
PH 2 - Reggie Jackson
PH 3 - Howard Johnson
PH 4 - Andreas Gallarraga
SP 1 - Nolan Ryan
SP 2 - Bret Saberhagen
RP 1 - Roger McDowell
RP 2 - Frank Viola
Forgot to ask... any players banned (such as AL and NL players?) If so, I'll redo all this...
Pinch hitters can only be from the actual pinch hitters.