Give me a good reason why I shouldn't round the bases of your OF over throws his target and the ball rolls to the backstop.
Because you're a gentleman.
It's an unspoken rule that it's 1 base should a ball roll to the backstop, we also play with the infield fly.
Different folks, different strokes.
I think most people agree with you that you take at most one base or zero bases.
But I ask you--if it's the bottom of the 9th of a tie game and you have the bases loaded (with Armas on third) with one out and you hit a pop fly to the CF that is booted (bop), do you make your runners go back and allow the fielder to throw the guy out at home?
Also, if you're in game 7 of the COTUT series, does the gentleman rule still apply or is that a different scenario?
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/16/06, 10:29:43 PM
I think most people agree with you that you take at most one base or zero bases.
But I ask you--if it's the bottom of the 9th of a tie game and you have the bases loaded (with Armas on third) with one out and you hit a pop fly to the CF that is booted (bop), do you make your runners go back and allow the fielder to throw the guy out at home?
obviously not...if it's a pop fly to the CF, it's no longer in the infield. Therefore, the "infield fly rule" does not apply. Run, run for your life!
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/16/06, 10:04:16 PM
Give me a good reason why I shouldn't round the bases of your OF over throws his target and the ball rolls to the backstop.
There is no good reason.
Hit your damn cut-off man and make a more acurate throw.
Any overthrow can be prevented, so it is your own fault if the ball rolls to the backstop.
I usually play with some level of "gentleman's rules" (infield fly, for example), but I see no reason not to take full advantage of an overthrow.
Nightwulf - Are bad throws completely random, or do they occur at the same level as bops?
You take as many bases as possible, it's part of the game, like a BOP
Quote from: ultimate7 on 01/17/06, 08:42:48 AM
You take as many bases as possible, it's part of the game, like a BOP
I completely agree with ultimate and BDawk. Why the fuck would you give someone an out on a bop or a overthrow or missed throw? That's totally ridiculous. And I don't wanna hear that it's similar to the infield fly rule, because it's not.
I smell a hotly contested debate... booyah! A pre-emptive "keep it civil boys" and lets hear some RBI discussion...
Quote from: Gantry on 01/17/06, 01:05:54 PM
I smell a hotly contested debate... booyah! A pre-emptive "keep it civil boys" and lets hear some RBI discussion...
Kiss my ass!
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/16/06, 10:04:16 PM
Give me a good reason why I shouldn't round the bases of your OF over throws his target and the ball rolls to the backstop.
There are no good reasons. You run like a bitch if this occurs and take as many bases as possible. Same thing happens on a BOP.
The reason this is different than the infield fly rule is that NEITHER player has control over when it happens. It's totally random (right nightwulf?) whereas the infield fly rule is just plain silly.
I'm sure I'm not making any sense but I'm just so shocked that anyone would ever stop trying to advance a runner for the sake of being a nice guy on a play the opposition had no control over.
The thing is that you can control it to an extent, don't make unwarranted throws, have your pitcher (or other player) in position to cut off the throw, etc. Always take the extra bases.
Right. But I think JoeD is referring specifically to when the outfielder throws home and misses the catcher.
If not, and he's referring to a simple overthrow of a base, the premise of not taking a base is even more ridiculous.
Quote from: fknmclane on 01/17/06, 02:10:58 PM
Right. But I think JoeD is referring specifically to when the outfielder throws home and misses the catcher.
If not, and he's referring to a simple overthrow of a base, the premise of not taking a base is even more ridiculous.
I think that's what Ultimate is talking about, too - you can control it, though, by getting players into position to cut off the throw, as the second throw won't be missed.
You can also make bad throws to third base - I'd say I've seen that more often than bad throws home.
Me and Octo take it a step further, if you're trying to throw a baserunner out at first from left field, but don't position your pitcher in time and the ball rolls to the backstop, we only go to second.
Again, different strokes, this is just something that generally happened over time, along with the infield fly. Sure you could easily get to third or get two even three extra bases (well, mainly two), but it's a shitty thing that happens occasionally (although not often for us, maybe once every five games) that you don't want happening to you.
I guess in a way it prevents both of us from losing our tempers when it happens to us.
Quote from: Attezz on 01/17/06, 02:45:54 PM
but it's a shitty thing that happens occasionally (although not often for us, maybe once every five games) that you don't want happening to you.
Okay, but you're the one that made the shitty thing happen to you.
We just play the game as is. nate and I will use an infield fly basically as a gentlemans rule, but thats about it. seems like the cotut fort dodgers use that rule as well, but advancing on overthrows with any of my opponents is always been fair game.
if im clobbering him badly or vice versa, then we may let a ball that got away go and not advance so to not run up the score, but in a tight game the pressure is on to not screw up, so make sure that you dont.
Do it!
Take as many bases as you want. It's part of the game; you know, act of God or whatever.
It's nothing like the infield fly rule, which just has to do with not being a cheap player.
I side with the "run like a banshee an then run some more" crowd!
I am surprised at how many people don't have a made up gentlemen's rule about this. Attezz is right; different strokes (much like the heated ATG vs. Straight Pitch it's probably a function of how you've always done it).
I won't even fall for capt_burrito's "cheap player" comment! :)