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Poll
Question: Who do you prefer vs NY
Option 1: MIN votes: 5
Option 2: STL votes: 4
Title: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: TbT on 04/09/06, 10:31:42 AM
Since im figuring that in many cases by game 3 DET/BOS/CAL(obviously) are off the board and probably SF.

This will leave NY/MIN/STL/HOU.  Your opponent select NY.
Is anyone tempted to use STL over MIN in this game?  I've seen it happen once a long time ago.  I believe chad's thinking was to to maybe steal a game with the cards(Tudor's pitching) and then have a great match-up with MIN vs HOU in his favor for game #4.  were just playing a 5 game set, not a best of 5.

Probably not something I'd do, but in a best of 5, leading 2-0 and knowing if i lose the game i still get MIN for game 4 vs HOU, it is an intriguing idea.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: JoeDirt on 04/09/06, 08:32:07 PM
In my opinion, this is one of the few flaws of the COTUT--it really becomes a "who doesn't get Ho" game when the talent is even.  So, to answer your question, in my opinion it doesn't really matter because in this scenario, you aren't stuck with Ho so either way, a winner should be you.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: fknmclane on 04/09/06, 10:52:39 PM
I'd take Sl for sure, for the exact reason mentioned, that Tudor can steal a gam single-handedly.  Actually, the argument can be made for Minnesota for the same reason as well, that Bert can steal a game.  But since I always have a boner for Tudor and lefty pitchers, the Cards would be the choice.

And really, against the Mets, even Houston can realistically win a game if you get a couple of breaks. Besides Daryl and Gary Carter, there isn't much on that team except for weak, weak lefties.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: TbT on 04/09/06, 10:57:41 PM
im thinking it depends on the situation.  in a best of 3 all tied at 1, im prolly not gonna chance it with STL.  Overall I feel MIN is better, but if i had some leeway like i explained before and could still get a  MIN vs HOU match-up in game 4 then so be it.

Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: fknmclane on 04/09/06, 11:00:40 PM
Minnesota is the logical choice, sure.  But for me, I stick with what works.  And John Tudor works.  I want to work...his ass.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: TbT on 04/09/06, 11:05:36 PM
Tudor is a beast, and he always gets hits off me.  bone crushing hits..the kind of hits that fuckin kill you in a game.  i really hate him.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: JoeDirt on 04/09/06, 11:11:49 PM
Damn you TBT and McLane
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: fknmclane on 04/09/06, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/09/06, 11:11:49 PM
Damn you TBT and McLane

Now what did I do?
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: Attezz on 04/10/06, 12:07:52 AM
When did the common opinion change from wanting a pitcher with the same dominant hand to the pitcher with the opposite dominant hand (you'd think that Blyleven would be better since when nibbling corners against righties he'd go outside as opposed to Tudor coming into the batter).

Although I love playing with St. Louis, I'd prefer Minnesota hands down in a must win game, although I've seen big games out of Pendleton (two homer games) and Pena (likewise, multiple homer games), I'd much prefer the Minnesota lineup.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: fknmclane on 04/10/06, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: Kipsilanti on 04/10/06, 12:07:52 AM
When did the common opinion change from wanting a pitcher with the same dominant hand to the pitcher with the opposite dominant hand (you'd think that Blyleven would be better since when nibbling corners against righties he'd go outside as opposed to Tudor coming into the batter).

Not sure common opinion has changed.  My opinion is probably a bit different than most due to my love for Tudor and that I play slurve. 
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: BeefMaster on 04/10/06, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: Kipsilanti on 04/10/06, 12:07:52 AM
When did the common opinion change from wanting a pitcher with the same dominant hand to the pitcher with the opposite dominant hand (you'd think that Blyleven would be better since when nibbling corners against righties he'd go outside as opposed to Tudor coming into the batter).

JoeDirt's "cheating" pitching style is always better with the opposite-hand - rather than throwing across the plate to hit the corner, you start on the outside and then possibly break the ball into the zone at the last second.  Every pitch is pretty much the same, but some are barely-hittable strikes and some are just off the edge of the plate.  With the opposite hand, unless you have someone with screwball movement, you can't sneak that last-second movement back into the zone.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: JoeDirt on 04/10/06, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 04/10/06, 04:14:10 PM
JoeDirt's "cheating" pitching style is always better with the opposite-hand - rather than throwing across the plate to hit the corner, you start on the outside and then possibly break the ball into the zone at the last second.  Every pitch is pretty much the same , but some are barely-hittable strikes and some are just off the edge of the plate.  With the opposite hand, unless you have someone with screwball movement, you can't sneak that last-second movement back into the zone.

You clearly need punished once again to refresh your failing memory.  Let me know when your panties are dry enough for another RBI lesson, son.  I have no idea what that means.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: BeefMaster on 04/10/06, 11:18:29 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/10/06, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 04/10/06, 04:14:10 PM
JoeDirt's "cheating" pitching style is always better with the opposite-hand - rather than throwing across the plate to hit the corner, you start on the outside and then possibly break the ball into the zone at the last second.  Every pitch is pretty much the same , but some are barely-hittable strikes and some are just off the edge of the plate.  With the opposite hand, unless you have someone with screwball movement, you can't sneak that last-second movement back into the zone.

You clearly need punished once again to refresh your failing memory.  Let me know when your panties are dry enough for another RBI lesson, son.  I have no idea what that means.

The way I remembered it, most pitches (from righty pitchers to lefty batter, or vice-versa) were in that general style.  "Every pitch is... the same" was an overstatement, but the bulk of pitches were very similar - starting on the outside and either cutting the corner or staying unhittable off the plate.  Obviously there were exceptions, and it wasn't the same for same-handed batters (although I used SL, so there weren't many; I don't remember whether there was an obvious strategy against them), but I don't recall that much variety with the lefty-righty matchup.
Title: Re: Cotut style. NY vs..MIN or STL
Post by: JoeDirt on 04/11/06, 07:02:31 PM
Then you indeed need another RBI lesson.