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I play generally outside, throwing as little curveballs/heaters as I can.  try to get into their head about covering that outside corner...then try and burn em inside.  But with righty pitchers, sometimes its tough to get the control you'd like to have and hang one...

With a fresh pitcher that has a decent amount of break to both sides, I start it inside off the plate, and the come back to catch the corner at the last second.

But I was 1-3 in the LA tournament, so what do I know...

Goreds...you try to throw as little curveballs as you can?  I find that incredibly hard to believe...do you mean knuckleballs?

I throw a steady diet of inside balls to every batter, regardless of pitcher or batter.  Works most of the time as I think they're harder to adjust to.

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/05/06, 01:45:06 AM
I throw a steady diet of inside balls to every batter, regardless of pitcher or batter.  Works most of the time as I think they're harder to adjust to.

I definitely agree with that, inside pitches become a guessing game and for me, are easier to throw for strikes or throw unhittable than the steady stream of outside pitches that most (at least Bandur, Beales and the few other quality players I've seen play) throw.

When you play 1 SP the inside pitch is even more important as you need to start getting guys out, and walking a guy is brutal on the pitch count. I imagine that with 2 starters it's easier to stay to the outside because you don't have to worry about pitch count.

I like your reasoning Kips...

The outside pitch is "safer" because you can always throw to a point where they can't hit it.  Inside pitches (except the most obnoxiously curved) can be hit and hit well, even if you throw a ball.  At the same time, outside pitching typically has a bad effect on the pitch count...

Please be patient with me as I am learning this game...

When you say pitch count do you mean combined total of all pitches, ie balls, fouls, and strikes?

I seem to throw the ball on the outside corner a lot and tend to throw a lot of balls. Does this have an effect on my pitcher's ability to last longer in the game?

I have no real luck throwing inside, the batter always hits the ball towards the third base or first base line. This pisses me off because it takes so long for the outfielder to get the ball. This game is so frustrating, i have attempted to review TBT's stats he sent me but i just do not understand them.

Once you get fielding down you'll be fine.

Check out the pitcher attributes on dee-nee.com/rbi, for example, Clemens has endurance of 44, every regular pitch he throws subtracts 1 one from the 44. Every pitch he throws where you use either up or down on the control pad, subtracts 2 from that count.

Once the endurance number gets to zero, you start to lose both speed and movement.

Is it just the up and down or does it include left and right as well?

I will check dee-nee.com/rbi i probably should've ready it already. A fool is me.

Kipsilanti already mentioned most of what I said, but I've already typed this, so I may as well post it anyway...

Quote from: moses on 05/05/06, 11:04:54 AM
When you say pitch count do you mean combined total of all pitches, ie balls, fouls, and strikes?

Yep - every pitch your pitcher throws.  The more he throws, the more tired he gets.

Quote from: moses on 05/05/06, 11:04:54 AM
I seem to throw the ball on the outside corner a lot and tend to throw a lot of balls. Does this have an effect on my pitcher's ability to last longer in the game?

I have no real luck throwing inside, the batter always hits the ball towards the third base or first base line. This pisses me off because it takes so long for the outfielder to get the ball. This game is so frustrating, i have attempted to review TBT's stats he sent me but i just do not understand them.

Your pitcher can only throw hard for a certain number of pitches, so if you throw a lot of balls, he will get tired sooner.  To find out which pitchers will last the longest, check the "Stamina" (maybe "St") rating of the pitcher in TBT's stats - a higher number is better.  The computer doesn't usually swing at pitches that are called balls (except the ones that drop and hit the plate), so you don't wnat to throw very many pitches off the plate when you're playing against the computer.

You can strike out the computer without using the drop ball - if you have a righthanded pitcher against a righthanded hitter (on the left side of home plate), start your pitcher on the far left side of the mound and throw the ball to the right.  If you can get the ball to just barely cross the outside corner of home plate, the batter will not be able to get to it in time and swing and miss.  It doesn't work as well after your pitcher is tired, though.

Left and right on pitches does not decrease the pitcher's stamina by 2, just the regular 1.

Thanks

I cannot believe that some of the more experienced players regard the inside pitch as "safer" than the pitch just off of the corner.   I think the most dangerous pitch in the game is the inside pitch.  You get a playe looking for it and you either have the ball crushed or you pitched it so far inside that he can step into it and take the base.

I just cannot believe it.  I venture to say that if you offer me a steady diet of inside pitches, I will run rule you a few times and beat you the rest.

With a guy with a lot of curve, you can typically start going inside and than read the batter as to whether or not to curve it back over the plate (if the batter backs off) or keep bringing it inside if the batter's stepping in the bucket.

Again, it's a guessing game, and when you typically throw outside a lot, the batter becomes so excited that there's a ball inside that he's going to swing 90% of the time and you can take advantage of that.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/05/06, 11:40:51 AM
I cannot believe that some of the more experienced players regard the inside pitch as "safer" than the pitch just off of the corner. 

Did you see the results of the puhl?

steady diet of outside

Outside to a righty will get that 3B/SS pre-shifting to cover the leftside and "snap-throw" that sorry ass runner at the "halfway mark" to firstbase >:D

Carl Hubbell was a good pitcher.

the ol' Meal Ticket

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/05/06, 11:40:51 AM
I cannot believe that some of the more experienced players regard the inside pitch as "safer" than the pitch just off of the corner.   I think the most dangerous pitch in the game is the inside pitch.  You get a playe looking for it and you either have the ball crushed or you pitched it so far inside that he can step into it and take the base.

I just cannot believe it.  I venture to say that if you offer me a steady diet of inside pitches, I will run rule you a few times and beat you the rest.

Yeah, you'd probably kill me but it works for me pretty well (then again, you think Chubbs sucks.)

I also like the inside pitch because I WANT you to put the ball in play.  If I can locate that fucker, I'm recording a popup or fielding a grounder for an out.

Also, I should explain that once a pitcher starts losing his stamina, the inside pitch becomes much harder to throw and locate.  Then, I of course go with the outside pitch.  But let's face it, a pitcher with no movement is gonna get crushed no matter where the balle nds up.

Quote from: moses on 05/05/06, 11:04:54 AM
Please be patient with me as I am learning this game...

When you say pitch count do you mean combined total of all pitches, ie balls, fouls, and strikes?

I seem to throw the ball on the outside corner a lot and tend to throw a lot of balls. Does this have an effect on my pitcher's ability to last longer in the game?

I have no real luck throwing inside, the batter always hits the ball towards the third base or first base line. This pisses me off because it takes so long for the outfielder to get the ball. This game is so frustrating, i have attempted to review TBT's stats he sent me but i just do not understand them.

Damnit, use the search button.  FKN NOOB.

Is this even in the right thread?

MODS??????

I think the whole idea of 1 SP is ridiculous first of all.  (Then again, I play infield fly rule, and only throw straight pitches to pitchers.)

But staying on the outside half of the plate allows you to much easier burn a guy inside maybe once every three batters or so...plus for "power" pitchers (Clemens Gooden, maybe even Witt) its much tougher to fool the batter's eye on the outside than inside IMO.

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/05/06, 06:39:50 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/05/06, 11:40:51 AM
I cannot believe that some of the more experienced players regard the inside pitch as "safer" than the pitch just off of the corner.   I think the most dangerous pitch in the game is the inside pitch.  You get a playe looking for it and you either have the ball crushed or you pitched it so far inside that he can step into it and take the base.

I just cannot believe it.  I venture to say that if you offer me a steady diet of inside pitches, I will run rule you a few times and beat you the rest.

Yeah, you'd probably kill me but it works for me pretty well (then again, you think Chubbs sucks.)

I also like the inside pitch because I WANT you to put the ball in play.  If I can locate that fucker, I'm recording a popup or fielding a grounder for an out.

Also, I should explain that once a pitcher starts losing his stamina, the inside pitch becomes much harder to throw and locate.  Then, I of course go with the outside pitch.  But let's face it, a pitcher with no movement is gonna get crushed no matter where the balle nds up.

McLane...I especially would think that your theory blows because by your prefered rules, you have to hit the inside corner everytime.  I guess I can begrudgenly (?) understand if you move the ball in, way in, way way in, and in but then back over a lot, but you--you HAVE to cross the plate each time.  I would think that'd make it too easy to turn on the inside pitch.

Reminds me why I hate slurve--'cause really, you can make the exact same arguement for the outside pitch.

Witt is considered a plus power pitcher?  Yikes!

I dunno..I consider a power pitcher guys who throw everything ok.  Clemens and Gooden both throw decent curveballs and fastballs....Witt is a little more finnesse, but he isn't Krukow out there at all.

Oh, I've always regarded a power pitcher as one with a plus fastball.

I see....I always broke it down into three or four basic pitcher categories...

power:  as explained above.
fastballers:  Berenguer etc...
curveballers:  Rueschle (sp?) Krukow, Tudor probably (He could be a power pitcher too I guess, but his craftiness as a lefty I think makes him a curve guy)
knuckler:  mike Scott etc...