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Title: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/17/02, 11:27:43 AM
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Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: mookiewilson on 04/18/02, 06:41:56 AM
2002 is the year of Potsie.  My pick for 2002 Tournament Champion.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/19/02, 06:06:41 AM
That's right Mookie and everyone else, keep on picking Potsie to win it all.  He'll fold under the pressure of being on top...

He beat me three times again on Wednesday, that prick.  He must have 10 straight on me....
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 04/19/02, 05:18:46 PM
Just read the tourney rules, sounds like you guys have a fun day planned. Sounds like the competition will be very tight. Good Luck to all.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: B on 04/19/02, 07:41:47 PM
i will say that although he is using the tigers and is on a roll...potsie may not have the experience to take it all the way....i may be going with the "darkhorse" but i think that gantry will be taking the title this year...i just think he really has the experience and the alcohol tolerance to take his second straight belt
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/22/02, 12:03:03 PM
Thanks for the vote bban, I'll take all the confidence I can get....
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Lips on 04/23/02, 09:59:18 PM
After hiding from the RBI forum for awhile, I'm back!!  Of course I'll be away again soon, as I'm off to Vegas this weekend to rest my fingers from the Nintendo, one week before the tourney.

But anyways, after prepping Boston to be my #2 team for months and months...they hit rock bottom around a month ago after I got back from the wrestling NCAAs.  Boston was working out more than fine before the NCAAs, but I just haven't been able to do anything with them since.  Then, the Cali Boys entered the picture...Yes, the same boys that only scored three runs for me in a 9-inning game at last year's tourney.  And they are the same boys that will back up my Detroit Rock City in 10, count them 10 DAYS!!!!  Cali hasn't been getting slaughtered as much as the Bo Sox, and they've also been putting up decent numbers.  Take tonight for example...  Although I lost the first game against Pots 19-15, Cali still put up 15 runs...and I think 12 homers.  One of the biggest reasons I lost the game is that I left Witt in an extra two innings.  In the seventh and eighth innings, Potsie combined for 12 of his 19 runs.  I was stubborn, but that's ok...it was a learning experience.

The second game I just schlacked Pots.  Pots played with Boston, though.  I opened with a 6-run first, only to follow it up with a 10-run second inning.  Pots stayed in the game until the fourth when I had another 6-run inning.  The game ended, 22-9, and I had 15 homers.

So, all-in-all, when placing bets on the champ-to-be...beware.  My A-game will be present, and I'll be in the finals.  But screw just being in the finals.  That's not enough, as I was there two years ago on my birthday when I lost.  This year, there will be no holding back, no excuses, and no going home a loser.  I'm the only one in the house who hasn't won the Big Game yet.  I'm due, and I won't be denied.

Good Night!!
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 04/24/02, 09:36:45 AM
i can see that with boston, its all or nothing in straight pitch.  Yes, they have power... on the other hand they are the slowest team in the game.  the only way to get an extra base hit is to hit it over the wall.  they hit into a ridiculous amount of double plays.  with clemens throwing straight, there is another advantage lossed.
i would pick another team for the tourney.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/24/02, 10:17:17 AM
Lips is mixing up the strategy for the tourney, I like it!  Haven't played his Cali in awhile, should be interesting...

I have a couple new tricks up my sleve for the tourney as well, but nothing as drastic as bringing in a new team.  10 days, solid!!
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: guy49 on 04/24/02, 12:24:26 PM
Potsie will not win the tournament... ...and here's why.  He is winning in droves right now, but come tournament time things tighten up and the same things that were working for him these past months will soon leave him.  Does he have that extra trick up his sleve?  No. Why? because he has been winning so much of late and hasn't had a reason to think up some alternate strategies.  Also I think the rest of you guys are baiting him with these non-tournament wins, not tipping your true R.B.I. form until the tournament begins.  My money is on Gantry, would have been on Lips, but going to Vegas so close to tournament time will create a thin layer of rust which will keep him from advancing to the finals.
There you go, I have never met or seen any of you play but it was fun to analyze the tournament, good luck to all.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Lips on 04/24/02, 01:56:37 PM
guy49, I thought about the same thing (The Rust Factor)around a month ago when we set the date for the tourney.  But the thing with me is that I usually get my games in on Tuesday and Wednesday nights.  I played a couple games last night and I'm hoping to get a game or two in tonight, and then back again next Tuesday and Wednesday.  Sure it would be nice to get a couple games in on the weekend, but at the same time...I don't want to play too much before the Real Deal...

Who knows, my superstitious ass might have a can of WD-40 nearby when the tourney begins.

You just never know...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/24/02, 02:04:58 PM
I'm in the Lips camp... Too many games against the opponent so close to tourney time is a bad thing.  Perhaps I'll hire a training partner for the next week.  Nick would probably do it for food....

Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/24/02, 07:33:22 PM
Well, tonight was one of the rare good nights for me...  Game 1 Postie slaughtered me in 3 innings.  I had to wait a LONG time to play (Sperling actually got a game in tonight) but it was worth it.   I told Pots before the game that Cali was ready to go, and it ended up a 25-15 slaughter in the 8th.  Lips comes by, I give him choice of team, making it my Det vs his Cali....

No contest, Detroit is so idiot-proof...  I haven't played them in awhile but any time I swung poorly it ended up over the center field fence.  Another slaughter in the 8th (I believe) with Detroit, a simliar score to the last game...

Confidence is much higher after tonight, look out come tourney time...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 04/24/02, 09:51:56 PM
that is true... any old jackass can win with the tigers...  it takes skill to shut them down and it is tiring... cant take too much off that lineup.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 04/25/02, 01:18:55 PM
Yesterday I got some RBI in, but my Florida buddies out here wouldn't let me play unless it was straight pitch. So I played and won 1 game and lost 2.

I hate the straight pitch game. I'll tell you all it does is even out the playing field. Anybody can win, the computer assistance also plays a big part,  and the game takes about 25 minutes to play.

I think it is fun to play maybe for a drinking game, but for straight out competition you got to play curves.

Gantry it's never to late to give it a try and find out who is the real champion among your bunch. But I guess part of the skill in your tourney is who can handle all the alcohol and still play. But you guys should play some curve-style games sometime. Good Luck to all the players.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: B on 04/26/02, 08:42:52 PM
id agree with the previous poster and state that it may breathe new life (as if it needed it) into the game if you try a curve pitch tourney....but this is not to take anything away from the usual death tourney...im looking forward to the updates...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 04/28/02, 01:31:49 PM
playing straight pitch is a crap shoot... the one thing pines and i were talking about the other day is that the lefty lefty matchup is an a bigger advantage in straight pitch cause you can take your pitcher all the way to the left on the rubber,  press a and paint the black with a pitch lefties struggle to hit.  for righties, the same pitch is not as effective.... why, i dont know... it is one you might want to put on the faq.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/30/02, 08:02:12 AM
I will give the curve game a shot at some point, don't worry.  It might take awhile before you see a curve tourney, but it's all about baby-steps...

The lefty-lefty matchup is a huge advantage in RBI, no lefty batters are as effective against lefties than righties, even Potatoes.  That matchup is one of the few places where the actual power numbers make a difference in RBI.  The big-power, small-HR lefties of the world (Spilman, Sheridan, WIlfong) suck ass against lefty pitchers....

The reason why a lefty is so effective against lefties is that a lefty typically has a natural left curve when throwing straight.  This trails away from a lefty (leaving you with the very end of the bat) while against a righty it ends up going inside, leaving you plenty of bat area to smack it with...

Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 04/30/02, 10:46:20 AM
that and the umpire calls the pitch on the outside corner against lefties whereas it is a ball agaisnt righties.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 04/30/02, 02:19:22 PM
I have said many times how I dislike the straight pitch game, but that is the only way I get to play right now, but we had a great game the other night.

Bo vs Dt,  I won with the Tigers, final score 25-24. combined 30 homeruns, 15 for each team. It was a big change for me, used to 4-3 ball games.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 04/30/02, 05:09:55 PM
The high scoring affairs are what make straight pitch so fun.  No matter what the score is, you can always come back...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/01/02, 12:24:55 AM
geez pines, that game must have taken 30 minutes to play...  were you guys playing death?  

i think straight pitch hinders one's ability to reach their full potential...  having a slug fest like that once in a while isnt  a bad thing either.  i just couldnt handle it all the time... it would be like watching the american league.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GDavis on 05/01/02, 10:36:52 AM
Whoever gets to use detriot is gonna win the tourney.  They're unstoppable, unless you're also using the all star teams too.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 05/01/02, 02:05:20 PM
No Joe not a death match, it was a Monday afternoon matinee game.

Detroit can be beaten in straight pitch, keep in mind that using a lefty pitcher against them and throwing on the outside corner to the lefties will keep you in the game.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 05/01/02, 02:53:37 PM
With the tourney, Detroit has the highest advantage against anyone.  Some notes:

1)  Our games are round-robins with each one being a two-game series.  Each player gets choice in one game, so everyone gets their fair shot.  In the best-of-three finals, the top record get choice in games 1&3, so they earned the advantage there.  A home field Detroit, if you will...

2)  Finding a lefty starter on a team with power is a tough task.  Cali & San Fran don't have a lefty pitcher.  Boston has Hurst, but he blows - you're better off with Clemens.  The other teams don't have the offense to compete with Detroit.

3)  Detroit can put up a very good anti-lefty lineup.  You go AT, Gibby, Evans, Nokes, Madlock, Lemon, Lou and Brookens.  If you are feeling saucy, go Heath for Lou/Nokes. Either way, you have 4 good righties and two lefties (Gibson & Evans) who are still going to crush with a lefty starter.  Not only that but this lineup still leaves you with Sheridan & Bergman on the bench for post-lefty pitcher subs...

It's appears to be a good strategy to use a lefty against Det, but their strong bench gives them the ability to adapt to a gimmick starter.  I prefer going toe-to-toe with Cali...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 05/01/02, 05:56:07 PM
Pretty solid statement Gantry, Detroit still can get it done no matter what you do to them. They are my favorite for that reason, they are good.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/01/02, 07:07:16 PM
i would give viola a try cause he is a tiger tamer.  the twins are good as long as laudner and kirby show up.  they dont have the power but they are grinders.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gantry on 05/01/02, 07:18:50 PM
I had a month-long streak where I was Minnesota, and it didn't work out too well.  They do have some pop, but they are too inconsistent.  Hrbek & Bush are total studs, as is Bruno.  After that, I couldn't consistent production.  Laundromat was very hit-or-miss....

They also have the curse of the six spot, just like San Fran.  Gagne blows, but Smalley ain't much better...
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/01/02, 08:45:59 PM
i would agree... they are the ultimate enigma...  they did carry me to the tengen title with an impressive performance.

when it comes to straight pitch... i would imagine their lack of power is more glaring than it would be if curves were permitted.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Dill on 05/01/02, 10:31:09 PM
I use to think that Gagne was hit or miss, but he has been a rather complete player for me.  I hate kirby Puckett.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GDavis on 05/02/02, 05:39:37 AM
Smart way to do the tourney, i take back my earlier comment.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/03/02, 08:47:03 AM
i think that come tourney time, you have to throw all the exhibition records out the window... its like spring training... you arent showing your best stuff while working on fundamentals for the show.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Lips on 05/03/02, 12:48:29 PM
I just want to make one comment about the "Detroit Mystique".  Two years ago, it was Mark and I in the finals.  We were really the only two players to use Detroit at the time as Gantry was 100% Cali and Pots was 100% Boston.  Mark and I made the finals, with me having first choice of team.  Naturally, I picked Detroit and Mark's second team was Cali.  What basically happened was Detroit lost all three games in the finals.  Game 1 & 3 with me and Game 2 with Mark (Cali won both games for Mark, as Boston won for me).  Anything can happen come tourney time...  Even the bats of Detroit flame out once in awhile.  You just never know...  We're less than 23 hours away from the tourney and I'm stoked.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/05/02, 02:11:42 PM
looks like playing straight pitch neutralizes the big cats...  too bad curve style doesnt have the same effect.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: Gwynn3k on 05/05/02, 04:19:15 PM
congrats to potsie on your big win...  gantry must be bitter to have the rug ripped out from under him.  i bet they were already popping the champagne in the club house.
Title: Re: RBI Tournament 2002 Preview
Post by: GPines on 05/05/02, 07:08:10 PM
Congrats to Potsie on the victory, sounds like it was a fun day all around.