Poll
Question:
Bush league or no?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 6
Option 2: No
votes: 8
Option 3: Perhaps
votes: 3
Option 4: People who don't use the infield fly rule are killing RBI
votes: 4
Option 5: Wumpst
votes: 0
Option 6: I still don't know what "bush league" means. Randy Bush?
votes: 1
About a week ago, Kips and I were playing when a very rare opportunity arose.
No outs runner on first. Batter hits a pop-up that's heading right near the first base bag. Kips brings the runner on first back to the bag, so that when the batter approaches first, he is stuck motionless a couple steps away from the bag. The pitcher is over to field as the ball is coming down right beside first. I don't know what got into me, but decided to let the ball drop, then picked it up, stepped to first for the force, and ran down the baserunner for the tag out, completing the double play.
We were both drunk and Kips literally had to pause for about five seconds staring at the screen, trying to process what had just happened. We then briefly discussed whether or not this was a bush league play.
What sayeth dee-nee?
Note: this puhl is ONLY open to players who use the infield fly rule, I already know what you unscrupulous monkeys who don't play with it think.
that play is bush league. in effect, you are ignoring the infield fly rule.
I agree with Strassy. If RBI actually had the infield fly rule, when the ball dropped, the runner wouldn't have automatically taken off from first (since he wasn't forced, as the batter was already out), so your tag out wouldn't have happened. I'd say you should've only gotten the batter out.
Either way is OK as long as the rules are known in advance
Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/18/06, 08:36:42 AM
Either way is OK as long as the rules are known in advance
So why didn't you vote "perhaps"?
Strassy and Beef: there is only one runner on base -- what does the infield fly rule have to do with it? The batter is not automatically out in such a situation, is he? Hell, if the same thing happens (runner at first, nobody out) and a high pop goes out toward
second base, it's common practice to let the ball drop and get the force out at second if the guy who hit the ball is a slower runner than the guy who was on first. I'm pretty sure you could get away with that in real life if you really wanted to, although I admit I've never seen it.
In retrospect, it may well have been cheap of me to let it drop like that. But the only thing that really makes me think twice about the merits of this play is its extreme rarity. This is the first time I can remember having such an opportunity where the ball landed
that close to 1st in that situation. Once in a lifetime, no regrets...
Yes, in MLB you could legally let the ball drop and get the DP, which is why I'd have no problem with it.
it appears that i had a poor recollection of that rule. i still say that it's bush league.
Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/18/06, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/18/06, 08:36:42 AM
Either way is OK as long as the rules are known in advance
So why didn't you vote "perhaps"?
Strassy and Beef: there is only one runner on base -- what does the infield fly rule have to do with it? The batter is not automatically out in such a situation, is he? Hell, if the same thing happens (runner at first, nobody out) and a high pop goes out toward second base, it's common practice to let the ball drop and get the force out at second if the guy who hit the ball is a slower runner than the guy who was on first. I'm pretty sure you could get away with that in real life if you really wanted to, although I admit I've never seen it.
Crap, I forgot that there was only a runner on first, and I agree that dropping a popup to get out the lead running is common practice and definitely allowed. That being the case, you are indeed within your rights to do what you did. You can disavow one of the "Yes" votes.
I say it's ok....only because it was an unassisted double play....
otherwise
totally bush league
Bush league...laughable
Perfectly acceptable...whether there was a guy on 1st only or men on 2nd/3rd. Again, I say keep all subjectiveness out of the game...it is "Anything Goes," right?
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Quote from: fknmclane on 05/18/06, 05:25:43 PM
Bush league...laughable
I would agree. Since in real life, the runner would not have stopped five feet before first waiting to see if the ball was caught or not.
RBI isn't real life?
It's not bush league, it's "cheesing"... which is just using a games AI and glitches to your advantage...
Quote from: ROL2 on 05/19/06, 01:09:51 PM
It's not bush league, it's "cheesing"... which is just using a games AI and glitches to your advantage...
go away
I think the problem with the "anything goes" idea is that some people dont realize it actually anything goes, when it comes to pitching, rather than regarding all game play.
Quote from: GoReds on 05/19/06, 03:22:41 PM
I think the problem with the "anything goes" idea is that some people dont realize it actually anything goes, when it comes to pitching, rather than regarding all game play.
Maybe in Indiana...but I don't think you can say that for everybody.
I'm completely amazed at the disregarding of the infield fly...I find it repulsive....and I wont further engage in this discussion....
Quote from: GoReds on 05/19/06, 07:21:34 PM
I'm completely amazed at the disregarding of the infield fly...I find it repulsive....and I wont further engage in this discussion....
Hey! Why don't you go and protest hot chicks again
I say Bush League, only because the RBI guy has no say in whether or not he runs all the way to first base in this scenario. He is forced to stand motionless while the runner on first stands there waiting for the fielder to make the play.
Quote from: Nacho on 05/22/06, 01:17:07 PM
I say Bush League, only because the RBI guy has no say in whether or not he runs all the way to first base in this scenario. He is forced to stand motionless while the runner on first stands there waiting for the fielder to make the play.
Actually, if you take the runner off first a step, then the runner will go all the way to first and the other guy would wait. That really doesn't solve the problem, though, since then the runner at first is an easy out if you catch the ball.
The runner won't touch first (on a pop up) until the man on first touches second or the ball hits the ground.
At least I believe this is true...somebody go run some tests.
Quote from: Nacho on 05/22/06, 01:17:07 PM
I say Bush League, only because the RBI guy has no say in whether or not he runs all the way to first base in this scenario. He is forced to stand motionless while the runner on first stands there waiting for the fielder to make the play.
Or....
stop hitting fknpop-ups to the first baseman.
problem solved.
No surprise that Joedirt is cool with it.
Quote from: josephady on 05/25/06, 09:44:40 AM
No surprise that Joedirt is cool with it.
Why are you still here?
Quote from: josephady on 05/25/06, 09:44:40 AM
No surprise that Joedirt is cool with it.
No surprise that you pull a douche comment...
Really though he's right I wasn't suprised, since you play anything goes and all
and since I've said it about 1000 thousand times.
said what?
That I prefer no infield fly rule...
Jose Phady is in my top 5 among dee-nee'ers. Fuck all y'all! (except JP).
PS. I think it's the Stimpy aviator that does it