I've said this many times, but I just had an experience that confirmed it. I'm at my parents' this weekend helping them move into a new house. As the day's work wound down I found myself with little to do, and since the cable is not yet working I plugged up the old NES I had stashed here for emergencies. I couldn't find RBI at first but RBI2. So I decided to try. I was Dt and played the CPU who was Bo. First of all Pettis was batting lead of for Dt rather than Trammell. Also noticed Sweet Lou at cleanup. I am his biggest advocate, but he ain't a cleanup guy. Anyways, game started with me at bat. Pettis hits a dribbler to second which squeeks through the IF. Then he runs the bases for an in the parker. I immediately shut the NES off due to this shitty game play. Never talk to me about RBI 2 or 3 again. Also, we have about 8 other baseball games so I may make a review of them.
RBI 2 and 3 are both home run derby games. With Bonds, you can hit about 4 out of the park and 4 in the park.
They are so common, you don't even get that slight sense of accomplishment when you hit one in RBI (the original).
The only good thing, for me, about playing 2 or 3 is that there are more teams, and you know exactly how far each home run goes.
If they never created an RBI 2 or 3, we would be wondering why they didn't and how it would have turned out.
They should have just used the exact same format with the new teams and players--maybe updated stats.
I will make one quick observations. When you play as much RBI as we do, playing other baseball games is actually very tough. Extremely difficult to get the batting. Especially something as shitty as Bases Loaded 3.
I hate the games where the fielding is really close-up. It's a bitch to figure out where the hell my fielders have gone. RBI is the measuring stick. All other games should be judged by it.
Split second reactions in these new fandangled games suck. They change the camera angle fifteen times before the ball gets to you and its impossible to judge where the ball will be. Fuck all baseball games but RBI. And Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball for N64.
ShitPaw, when the heck did you play RBI 2/3 and have it be homerun derby? The computer will give up in-the-parkers sometimes, but actual homers are fairly rare - I don't think I've ever had a 4-homer game with one player in RBI 3, and I've probably played that more than the original. Most of the time, a team won't have more than two or three homers, although that depends on pitching style and what teams people are using.
Actually, I was thinking about RBI 3 as a "home run" derby game. RBI 2 doesn't have as many homers, but I usually get 14-16 homers per game (including ISPHRs) on RBI 3.
RBI 2 is the worst game of the NES series because of the lack of homers.
RBI 3 still blows, but not as much as RBI 2.
I'm gonna revive this almost 2 year old topic if for no other reason than to get someone fired up.
I know this is considered sacrilege around here but are there any players that actually prefer RBI2 over the original? I gotta say there were definitely certain aspects that I liked a good deal more than the original. The better dive feature was nice for one and yeah, it was also cool to see the HR distance. Couldn't argue with having more teams to choose from. I am a Dodgers fan so it was cool to have them available. Eddie Murray always played better than his stats. I really liked being able to switch hit with him.
With the risk of being tarred and feathered, I could play either and be satisfied but never cared for any of the later incarnations.
I've never played RBI2, only RBI3. The only things I like about 3 were the switch hitting options and being able to change the lineup before the game. There are far too many pitchers allowed, and with so many teams and players available it's not nearly as intimate as the original. The 'dive/jump' feature is nice, but it means that on average the pitcher will get about 12 assists per game, and there's not nearly enough offense.
In summation, RBI is where it's at, and RBI3 is still a bag of ass (I once threw a perfect game against Boston on RBI3).
MVP 2005
I desperately want to set up an online tourney with you and Ryno in MVP, I've never played online before, but a few friends have it set up for it with updated rosters.
Bring it!!!
My favorite game in the series was RBI 3. I liked having all the MLB teams and players (although I agree with Attezz that having a full roster of pitchers takes away some of the pitching strategy, especially in a series), and I don't think the changes in the gameplay were that bad.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 12/20/05, 08:07:31 AM
My favorite game in the series was RBI 3.
Is this not offense enough to have one removed from the forums? You stupid, stupid man, Beefy. You like RBI "3" better than the only RBI that actually exists? I pity you--you wretched, twisted, excuse of a man. :(
MVP 2005
Quote from: Attezzobal on 12/20/05, 02:21:02 AM
with so many teams and players available it's not nearly as intimate as the original.
intimacy is the key to RBI's success.
Other than the players obviously doing the Jenny Craig thing or all losing weight due to being heroin addicts, I don't think there were any negatives from the upgrade from 1 to 2. The only semi-bad thing is the Patrick Roy effect that the pitchers have. Nothing gets by them up the middle with the new dive. Maybe I like it more than you lot because I always appreciated a 2-1 game as much as a 35-32 game ;)
Quote from: crashing bore on 12/20/05, 12:46:37 PM
Maybe I like it more than you lot because I always appreciated a 2-1 game as much as a 35-32 game ;)
I'll pretend I didn't see this.
Quote from: Attezzobal on 12/20/05, 07:41:30 AM
I desperately want to set up an online tourney with you and Ryno in MVP, I've never played online before, but a few friends have it set up for it with updated rosters.
Bring it!!!
i am in, mvp is also a great game.
i am looking forward to the college mvp.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 12/20/05, 03:20:24 PM
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I'll pretend I didn't see this.
Damned hackers. Always posting shit to forums under my name.
I'll try and get a better handle on this so you don't get the impression that I prefer using the pitcher's attributes (or lack thereof in some cases) in the game over only using him primarily as a pitching machine set to "underhand" ;)
i own bonny's ass in mvp --- online and in really real life.
kinda like super amateur setting hockey.
JoeDirt, myself, and many others prefer low scoring games to high scoring games.
Greatest game I ever played was a 1-0 affair against Houston that went down to the 18th inning and involved a Willie McGee walk off home run.
Pitching duel's are where it's at.
You'll excuse my ignorance I hope. Sorry, I thought the majority of folks here did the straight pitch thing. I concur about the pitching duals and there is nothing better than pitching a no no ('cept maybe a perfect game but my fielders always seemed to fsck me out of them with an ill-timed donk on the noggin').
Well it's a big change from the original. Rbi 3 is pretty much the same as 2, but 3 has all the 1990 teams plus the division winning teams from '83-'89, so you can play as the '84 Tigers, '83 White Sox (Fisk), '84 Padres with Gwynn, it's pretty cool. And the 1984 Cubs have immense power for their stats. Billy Hatcher, for example, is on the game, .111 average, 0 homers. I've hit 450-foot shots with him before. Thad Bosley too, 2 homers, 250's avg, i've hit 460-foot shots with him, it's crazy.
I'll always love the original one best though. I just wish it had home run distances, oh well.
I made a list of all the current players from both RBI 2 and 3, it's quite alot bigger than the original's list.
Glad to hear that someone else doesn't completely hate RBI 3. Does your player list have their power/speed/contact attributes? Nightwulf, our resident technical wizard, extracted that data awhile ago... I can't find the thread, but fortunately I have a copy on my hard drive that I'm attaching to this post.
You're right, the '84 Cubbies are ridiculously good, considering their stats; pretty much every other team's ratings are directly based on their stats.
All the '84 Cubs Powers are high (even Steve Lake is 831) but all of their contacts are 66. I guess they didn't get rights to a bunch of names for the older teams?
Quote from: ultimate7 on 01/20/06, 10:40:08 AM
All the '84 Cubs Powers are high (even Steve Lake is 831) but all of their contacts are 66. I guess they didn't get rights to a bunch of names for the older teams?
RBI 3 had an MLBPA license, but anyone who wasn't currently active wouldn't have been part of the MLBPA, and Tengen wouldn't have had the rights to use their names in the game. It's really noticeable with the older teams, as about half of them are just initials and positions.
I never got the instruction booklets for RBI 2 or 3. I bought one from FuncoLand and one from K-Mart. And on the American League All-Stars, or 1990 Toronto, Kelly Gruber has 31 homers, but he hits like shit. There are guys with fewer than 10 homers who can hit it farther. Must be a programming error.
Do you know that you can play as the Tengen Team? On the title screen, press select, start, A, and B together to get the programmers list of names (if you want to). To play as the Tengen Team, go to "continue" or "password" (i forget which one is to which game), and type in TENGEN and then the number 11 or 22 after it, but #12 and a few others up to 22 also work. In Rbi 2, you type in "TENGTOP" and then the numbers.
These guys can hit the ball 5 miles! There's one guy, Mike Williams (MeMikeMe) who has 70 homers and a .350 average. He's a lefty too, heh heh. And most of the players are faster than Rickey Henderson on the bases.
There are actually 2 Tengen Teams on RBI 3, but the names are just different. I think there's just one on RBI 2. I'm sure if anyone's played a season on RBI 2 or 3, you've made it to face the Tengen Team. It's a whole lot more fun to play AS that team!!!
Thanks for the info - I didn't know it was possible to use the Tengen Team. I posted a thread earlier about playing against them - the code to play them using the '90 Cubs is 14TRTIF44, if you're up for it. I usually show some level of mercy against the computer, but I have to pull out all the stops to beat those guys.
If you look through the team data, there are actually four Tengen Teams, all of whom have different names but the same stats. I have no idea how (if at all) one accesses the other teams. Also (something I discovered trying to get to the player data before Nightwulf extracted and formatted it nicely), the string "Hitting Editor" shows up in some mysterious areas of the ROM. This is a thread I started about it (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=2382.0), although we never really figured anything out. The best thing that came from it was that Nightwulf hacked a copy of the RBI 3 ROM to enable the '85 Cardinals, who for some reason aren't selectable.
After rereading that thread, I need to load up my copy of RBI 3 and see if '87 Trammell is screwed up on the original cartridge.
You're welcome.
To play against the Tengen Team using the American League Allstars, type in FL685CK74 (this password is locked in my head, lol).
The farthest homer I've ever hit on RBI 3 I THINK is 512 feet by Jannetty of one of the Tengen Teams. I have pages and pages of home run distances, but I think 512 is my high.
There's a trick to hitting far homers like that. Go to the substitutes screen and click on a big hr hitter (it works on everyone though), then un-click it.....geez how the hell did that go......No wait. Move the cursor to any bench player and make sure his name appears on the top. Now click on the same player's name to sub the same guy for the same guy. Try and make good contact and you should be able to hit the ball farther. I'll have to try this again so it won't sound so confusing to you, lol.
512? Wow... longest I've ever seen is 476, by Sandberg a few times (I use the '90 Cubs the most often) - I assumed it was the max. 512 makes sense, though, being a nice round number in binary.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/20/06, 04:09:04 PM
512 makes sense, though, being a nice round number in binary.
That sounds to me like robot talk. I'm gonna have to notify Gerlost about this.
Quote from: Metal King on 01/20/06, 03:40:31 PM
Now click on the same player's name to sub the same guy for the same guy. Try and make good contact and you should be able to hit the ball farther. I'll have to try this again so it won't sound so confusing to you, lol.
I wonder if this could actually work, it sounds like it could be a PH bonus glitch, where you trick the CPU into giving your player the bonus power.
I don't know whether RBI 2/3 have the PH bonus... with five bench players on each team, that would change my lineup strategy somewhat (I usually just start the best players and only pinch hit for the pitcher).
It's definitely a pinch-hitting extra power glitch. You can tell if you're hitting the ball further.
The farthest homerun I've ever hit WITHOUT using that trick is 496 feet, by the 1990 Darryl Strawberry (I guess the team doesn't matter, it's the same player).
With the Tengen Team, you don't even need the trick to hammer 470-480-490 foot homers!