http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhTr5Tr9.Bz8HalLtHlsV3s5nYcB?slug=ap-halloffameballot&prov=ap&type=lgns
Gwynn and Ripken will make it, McGwire is also possible. Jim Rice is the holdover with most votes last year without making it. Many RBIers on the ballot that won't make it.
The only question is who will get more votes, Gwynn or Ripken. I'm sure it'll be Ripken, but they are both damn deserving. I'd probably vote for McGwire too, though I doubt most people share that sentiment. He stood out even in the steroid era, and we don't have the conclusive evidence to say he isn't HOF worthy rather than a Canseco book (that is most likely true) and his disgraceful testimony. Enough to believe he did it? Absolutely. Same thing as a positive test? Not quite.
wally joyner is also up. he's one of the best firstbasemen in rbi. certainly the baldest.
Players like Ripken and Gwynn should be unanimous. How can anyone argue they are not worthy? I'm serious, if anyone has an argument, I want to hear it.
I wouldn't vote for McGwire, by the way.
Quote from: fathedX on 11/28/06, 04:09:19 PM
Players like Ripken and Gwynn should be unanimous. How can anyone argue they are not worthy? I'm serious, if anyone has an argument, I want to hear it.
I wouldn't vote for McGwire, by the way.
Juicing aside, why are their numbers more hall worthy than McGwires?
It's all about the juicing, so it's tough to put that aside.
The Following NES RBIers are on the ballot
Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Jose Canseco, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Gwynn, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Alan Trammell
Along with these Arcade only RBIers
Dave Concepcion, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Lee Smith
I'd like for the retards who fail to vote for Gwynn or Ripken to be accountable. Trust me, it'll happen.
There seems to be about 10 guys that I'd vote for.
Gwynn, Ripken, Blyleven, Lee Smith, Goose Gossage, Andre Dawson, Alan Trammell, Don Mattingly, Jim Rice, and Dale Murphy.
Sorry, no big mac for me.
Baseball-reference has the vote percentages for all inductees and no one has received 100%. George Brett got 98%, Mike Schmidt got 97%, Steve Carlton got 96%, Reggie Jackson got 94%. Those type of players are so automatic in my mind that anyone who didn't vote for them should be held accountable.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof.shtml
I'd vote for Trammell, Murphy, Gwynn, and Ripken, that's it. But everyone knows that Tram and Murph won't be getting in, while Ripken and Gwynn will be near unanimous, but of course not unanimous, since they writers always make sure to not make anyone unanimous. And I still debate whether I'd vote for McGwire. I have a lot of mixed emotions with him and the whole roids issue.
Gwynn, Ripken, McGwire, Rice
eirc davis.
That is all.
Gwynn, Ripken, McGwire, Rice, Goose Gossage, Donnie Baseball
Quote from: fathedX on 11/28/06, 04:34:24 PM
Baseball-reference has the vote percentages for all inductees and no one has received 100%. George Brett got 98%, Mike Schmidt got 97%, Steve Carlton got 96%, Reggie Jackson got 94%. Those type of players are so automatic in my mind that anyone who didn't vote for them should be held accountable.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof.shtml
I think I heard somewhere that there is always the odd voter or two who won't vote for the shoe-ins because Babe Ruth (et. al.) didn't get in unanimously, so they don't want anyone to get in unanimously.
that's dumb
One of the arguments about McGwire is that most voters won't put him in the first year, but will vote for him the second, as a sort of punishment for his steroid mess.
Not sure I agree with that, but it seems likely to happen.
I'm thinking it'll be just Ripken and Gwynn, that's all. But I don't mind if others make it, obviously. Cal, Tony, and Lee Smith would be a nice trio for the HOF this coming year.
Some guys are nearing the end as for being on the ballots, I think this will be Jim Rice's 11th or 12th time on it, RIDICULOUS. Steve Garvey is pretty much done too, and a few others.
McGwire will get alot of votes I'm sure, definitely over 50% we'll just have to wait & see.
How the fuck is Garvey still on the god damned ballot and Will Clark isn't?
I would like to see people who would vote for Don Mattingly never being allowed to criticize anyone else's voting.
Career .276 hitters should in no way equal unanimous votes, even with the bonus of having hit into the most double plays in the history of baseball.
Antonio Alfonseca can count on one hand the amount of times that Cal Ripken hit 282 or better, and if you're into the numbers thing, he has a career OPS of less than what Jamey Carroll posted last year.
Clark was the better player for sure, but Garvey played longer, I really don't know.
I hear Garvey is Ryno's Padre.
There'll also be another bunch of guys on the ballots again who have no chance in hell of making it. It's so funny how they even get mentioned or get voted for before they're permanently "eliminated."
Tim Raines is up for HOF election in 2008, Rickey Henderson in 2009, Henderson should easily get in, but looking a bit shaky for Timmy.
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/28/06, 11:53:05 PM
Antonio Alfonseca can count on one hand the amount of times that Cal Ripken hit 282 or better
Nice.
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/28/06, 11:59:25 PM
I hear Garvey is Ryno's Padre.
I don't hate the guy, but he was far from a great player.
If there's room for Garvey after this many years, then there's room for Mark Grace (when his time comes) and there's most certainly room for Wil Clark.
Gwynn should get a higher percentage than Ripken.
Anyone who doesn't vote for Gwynn should be punched in the cock.
I understand that many people think Ripken is overrated, but he was pretty damn good for a really long time. Kinda weird how anti-Ripken our man Attez comes off sometimes.
I just looked through some stats and am struck once again by the travesty of Mazeroski getting into the Hall. Dante Bichette should get in with Maz as a standard.
Quote from: fathedX on 11/29/06, 09:49:55 AM
I just looked through some stats and am struck once again by the travesty of Mazeroski getting into the Hall. Dante Bichette should get in with Maz as a standard.
Maz was good defensively and was a good hitter given the position he played. Plus his clutch home run in the WS probably put him over the top.
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/28/06, 11:53:05 PM
Antonio Alfonseca can count on one hand the amount of times that Cal Ripken hit 282 or better, and if you're into the numbers thing, he has a career OPS of less than what Jamey Carroll posted last year.
I looked it up, and the last part isn't true, although it's close - Carroll had an OPS of .781 last year, and Ripken's career was .787. More importantly, though, if you're really "into the numbers thing", the league average OPS last year was .808, while the average during Ripken's career was .741. Sabermetrically, Ripken has a solid Hall case, given the position he played.
A solid hall case, yes, but not unanimous.
ripken gets in on his consecutive game streak and dreamy blue eyes alone.
How is Maz a solid hitter for his position, but Dawon, Rice, and Murphy are not?
All are victims of their respective eras, if you ask me.
at least Dale has the Mormon Sports Hall of Fame to cherish.
Ain't nothin wrong with the Mormon Sports Hall of Fame. Steve Young, Dale Murphy, and Danny Ainge, ya gotta love 'em. And put Shawn Bradley in the Mormon Sports Hall of Shame...that guy was a disgrace. Wally Joyner is borderline Mormon HOF.
Quote from: GoReds on 11/28/06, 05:41:39 PM
eirc davis.
That is all.
I agree. "Eirc Davis."