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Title: Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: ultimate7 on 03/16/04, 10:08:32 AM
OK, I guess this is mostly for curve pitch players, but I'm wondering when people make substitutions.  Do you always save at least one guy on the bench so the pitcher doesn't bat in the 9th?

For me, we usually play curve/ 1 Starter so often I won't use any PHs until the 2nd or 3rd time thru the lineup.  There are exceptions (Barrett, Owen, Herndon, Santana, etc.).  But a lot of times a like to save PH for crucial situations, plus in latter innings pitcher is more likely to be tired meaning more fat pitches.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: JoeDirt on 03/16/04, 12:29:45 PM
I play curve/1 SP, too and I like to save at least one of the lesser PH for the pitcher spot or a one of the weaker spots in the line up...but I won't keep a prime time player out of the line up just to save him for one AB late in the game (ex. Armas, Henderson, Jones, Hendrick, etc).
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/16/04, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/16/04, 12:29:45 PM
I play curve/1 SP, too and I like to save at least one of the lesser PH for the pitcher spot or a one of the weaker spots in the line up...but I won't keep a prime time player out of the line up just to save him for one AB late in the game (ex. Armas, Henderson, Jones, Hendrick, etc).

Joe is absolutely right.  If the guy is the real deal and you're only hurting your chances by keeping him out, the PH is inserted immediately.  But I usually try and keep at least one guy on the bench for some late inning fireworks.

Chubbs always leaves Morris of the Cardinals for last and the guy always kills me.  In fact, I hope he dies.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: JoeDirt on 03/16/04, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: fknmclane on 03/16/04, 05:17:12 PM

Chubbs always leaves Morris of the Cardinals for last and the guy always kills me.  In fact, I hope he dies.

Chubbs or Morris?  Maybe both, just to be safe?
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/16/04, 06:00:12 PM
After the beatings I received from Chubbs last week, probably both.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/17/04, 11:23:53 AM
I know it came up in a previous post, but you tend to have more success w/ a pinch hitter in clutch situations.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/17/04, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: chubbrock on 03/17/04, 11:23:53 AM
I know it came up in a previous post, but you tend to have more success w/ a pinch hitter in clutch situations.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Apparently, pinch hitters get a power boost for their first at-bat.  I'm sure one of our computer-versed colleagues can elaborate on this point.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: ultimate7 on 03/17/04, 11:34:41 AM
From what others have posted and data I've seen, PH gets a 64 power bonus on their 1st AB.  Power Totals Range from about 700-950 so that's a 7-10% increase in Power.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/17/04, 02:07:37 PM
"Double it, and cut it in half"
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Flood on 03/18/04, 01:46:02 PM
there's no way I'm leaving guys like Burks, Rupperto, and ARMAS on the bench...they gotta come in early in the game.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/18/04, 09:30:51 PM
Absolutely.  It's guys like Sullivan, and Morris that pay off for me.  Guys that normally wouldn't do shit.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Baines on 03/19/04, 12:56:17 AM
With me it all depends on the team.  Also we play straight pitch/ all pitchers so my strategy may differ a little bit.

I always try to leave at least one PH available for clutch situations but I won't leave a below average hitter in the lineup just to do it.  Basically, I either bring my PH in for the 1st AB or save them for the pitcher if they're not better than someone in the lineup.  

The only time I sub for a position player in the middle of the game is with Boston.  Burks always hits #1, Armas always #8 but I save Hendu to see who pisses me off the most out of Boggs, Buckner and Gedman.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/22/04, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: Baines on 03/19/04, 12:56:17 AM


The only time I sub for a position player in the middle of the game is with Boston.  Burks always hits #1, Armas always #8 but I save Hendu to see who pisses me off the most out of Boggs, Buckner and Gedman.

Huh.  I normally have success with the Bogger.  Burks #1, Hendu #2, Armas #8.  Sullivan comes in clutch for me.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Flood on 03/22/04, 12:30:33 PM
Burks - 1
Hendu - 2
Armas - 8
Sullivan - P
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/22/04, 02:11:10 PM

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Huh.  I normally have success with the Bogger.  Burks #1, Hendu #2, Armas #8.  Sullivan comes in clutch for me.
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Ask Mclane.... ;D
NOOOCH!!!
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Baines on 03/22/04, 03:10:34 PM
QuoteHuh.  I normally have success with the Bogger.  Burks #1, Hendu #2, Armas #8.  Sullivan comes in clutch for me.

I do have to say that Buckner is usually the one who ends up on the bench but I always give them an AB or 2 because it seems like the other two occasionally have games where they just don't get it done.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/22/04, 03:15:48 PM
Chubbs has some altar devoted to Sullivan (Red Sox) and Morris (Cardinals.)  He's fucking automatic with those bastards.  Every time, any situation, he goes yard.  It's absolutely uncanny.  Unfortunately for him, its usually does no good, as I'm already up by a half dozen.  Except for the last time.  And the time before that.  Oh yeah, the time before that too.  Shit!  I hate Sullivan!!!  And I hate Morris even more!!!
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: chubbrock on 03/22/04, 05:47:03 PM
Not as much as I hate T.Pena.

Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Gantry on 03/22/04, 08:47:25 PM
You can't go wrong with Blank Morris, though I prefer he gets in right away at the #3 spot.  Jose Oquendo is a complete bastard against me, always gets the clutch dinger...

I personally don't keep anyone in for an AB or two, either in right away or subbing for a pitcher.  Lipitz uses the very effective technique of keeping Chet Lemon in until there is a runner on first.  Then he goes with Bergman who hits a dinger at about a 75% clip....
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: MarquisEXB on 03/22/04, 09:56:01 PM
I play curve ball 3 pitchers only (can't ph for the last pitcher).

Put in the best guy (sometimes 2 best guys - Burks & Armas) for the weakest. Save the 3 guys for pitchers, or clutch situations for weak hitters. I almost always save the LH hitter for a situation where a runner is on first. Sometimes I'll PH a bad guy for a decent hitter, since I feel confident hitting with a bad ph.

Been on a bad streak lately. Got swept in my 70s rom (Reds beat my Yanks,) and just lost another series with Baltimore. I'm down now 3-1 in the knockout rom. I'm convinced that the Reds are unbeatable. :-(

Oh and if someone thinks they can win with pitching, try that rom with the Mets. God are Seaver & Koos unbelievable. I had a tough time beating them.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: JoeDirt on 03/22/04, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: MarquisEXB on 03/22/04, 09:56:01 PM
I play curve ball 3 pitchers only (can't ph for the last pitcher).

This is complete BS.  You're supposed to play that you CAN sub for the last pitcher, if the game will let you.  Of course, your rule is that you cannot actually use that 4th pitcher, but if that PH hits a bomb, the game is over...there's the rub.  If he gets out and it goes to extras, you must forefeit....of course, this only works for the home team...makes for an interesting ending, though.
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: mr.perfectgame321 on 03/24/04, 10:19:38 PM
suprised nobody mentioned clutch bergman
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Gantry on 03/24/04, 10:36:43 PM
Bergman is hella clutch, he crushes me in the first atbat.  Lipitz waits to sub Bergman at the 6 spot until there's a runner on first.  And it works virtually everytime...

As a full-time starter he's merely ok, nowhere near Sheridan level.  But for one atbat he is just about unstoppable...
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/24/04, 11:24:09 PM
Quote from: mr.perfectgame321 on 03/24/04, 10:19:38 PM
suprised nobody mentioned clutch bergman

Wouldn't that be using a pinch-hitter? I thought only pussy, hack, bush league RBIers did that.  Some one on your level would never resort to subbing in Bergman.   ;D
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: Flood on 03/25/04, 08:02:24 AM
Quote from: Gantry on 03/24/04, 10:36:43 PM
Bergman is hella clutch, he crushes me in the first atbat.  Lipitz waits to sub Bergman at the 6 spot until there's a runner on first.  And it works virtually everytime...

As a full-time starter he's merely ok, nowhere near Sheridan level.  But for one atbat he is just about unstoppable...
Is this true?  Lemon is being pulled for B to the E to the RG Man?  I can't believe this...Lemon is pure unadulterated underrated goodness.  
Another question, Why is Pat Sheridan so highly coveted among RBI'ers?  He's usually the last Detroit sub that I use...and I've never gone yard with him.   ???
Title: Re:Pinch Hitters - When to make Substitutions
Post by: fknmclane on 03/25/04, 09:19:21 AM
I find that all of Detroit's pinch hitters are the same.  I get the same results with each one - a bomb.  Well, maybe a few more with Sheridan and Bergman.