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I left out Houston for three reasons:

1) Symmetry
2) Because they're clearly in the bottom grouping
3) To spite a certain member from Ellenburg, WA

St Louis - because they have Tudor
New York - because they have Gooden
Boston - Clemens has stamina and the lineup has tons of power

I realize I'm the only one who voted for St. Louis and New Yokr so far but that's just how I like to play.  I didn't count the All-Star teams...no fucking way I'd vote for those shitbags from the AL anyway.

Shit, I'd probably take SF over Boston as well.  Krukow owns.

Went NL, Boston (easy) and Detroit (very debatable)

But I play even less 1SP than 2SP, but my thoughts are that the focus shifts to offense over pitching with 1SP...

Boston, NL, AL.

AL sneaks in ther because thier pitching is pretty kick ass.  Not a great pen, but 2 guys that you dont want to face for 3-4 innings.

I don't know about all that...Key is a complete stud (highly underrated, in my book--yes, "the book of JoeDirt")...but Righetti is pretty inconsistent.  Henke, aka, The Terminator, is very good for one inning, but beyond that, he could go either way.  And Sabs, well, he sucks.

the one knock i'll give saberhagen is that he really cant hit the outside corner of the plate for a strike.  if it goes over the plate its usually served on a silver fkn platter.  However he can throw inside to righties.

henke and righetti can throw inside to the same handed hitter better than away from those guys.  this usually bodes ill for your opponent if hes forgotten about that.

Based on the above post, I conclude that TBT has never actually played the game of RBI.

Sabes has dificulty hitting the corner.  And by corner i mean just barely nipping it.  His 11 CL pulls it too far outside.  My scoutijng report on that fool is to not bite on outside pitches because they miss the plate.  Once your opponent takes a little off the curve then its going to be over the plate.

Thats what ive discovered pitcher with and against him.

Check the attributes on Henke/Righetti.  Thier strength is to have the ball tail inside.  Righeti and Hnke are the reliever anomolies of the game and have better curve inside to a same handed hitter than outside.  while the seperation is not great the bottom line is they have piss poor curve away from a same handed hitter.  They can do it but its not thier strength.

dont you only get to play about once a year anyways? [/lowblow]

did a search from my old threads about the top 4 and bottom 4 of 1SP games.  From those puhls with a premise of cumulating the top votes and then subtracting votes for the bottom 4 puhl the scores were as follows.

-Boston+14   -NL+10   -Detroit+9   -California+5   -AL even
-NY-1    -MIN-1    -SF-5    -STL-6   -Hou-10   

However as you will see below we had 18 votes for the top 4 teams and onluy 12 votes for the bottom 4.  so that probably skews things a bit.

top 4 1 Starting pitcher games.
NL   10 (16.1%)
AL   3 (4.8%)
Det   10 (16.1%)
Bos   15 (24.2%)
Cal   7 (11.3%)
SF   3 (4.8%)
NY   3 (4.8%)
Min   6 (9.7%)
STL   3 (4.8%)
Hou   2 (3.2%)
Total Voters: 18

and the bottom 4.......

Bos   1 (2.1%)
Det   1 (2.1%)
NL   0 (0%)
AL   3 (6.4%)
CAL   2 (4.3%)
NY   4 (8.5%)
MIN   7 (14.9%)
SF   8 (17%)
HOU   12 (25.5%)
STL   9 (19.1%) 
Total Voters: 12

So far Attabozzles puhl is holding water with mine as far as the top 3 are considered.  This consistency cant be ignored.

Boston, NL, Det lead substancially in his puhl as they did in mine. 
The main difference was the middle grouping.  Mine had cal with 7 votes at 4th place, min with 6 votes and the rest followed with 3(stl/sf/al/ny)

combined some numbers of the 1SP puhls since voting is at a stand still.  In a some sort of round-about cumilative scoring heres the rankings.

Bos      21
NL       14
Det      13
Cal      5
AL       2
MIN     -3
NY      -6
SF        -9
STL     -12
Hou*   -10(Houston was not a participant in the last 2 polls)

Dont see too much wrong with this.  Boston and NL at the top seems A-OK.  Detroit following up closely seems alright as well.  Im more inclined to put AL higher than Cal though based solely off pitching.  looking at Cal's score and SF being way down in the puhls, it appears that not having a lefty pitcher of some sort hurts them?       

Depending on how people voted(best of 3 or 1 game series) Min having a lefty starter might be the difference that solidifys them as "best of the rest".  What say ye votes?  whats the deal?  Or is it just MechaBlyleven?  SF and MIN have somewhat comparable offense.