So how is opposite field power decided? I understand the power rating and how the contact rating affects power, ...but even if you hit the ball on the sweet spot of the bat it never has the same power as when you hit to your own field.
what makes you think that power to the opposite field is any less? It seems to me that opposite field power is the same, but I just don't hit shots to the opposite field as frequently because you really have to be late on a pitch to hit it with the barrell to the opposite field
I've hit a few opposite field home runs, but from what I remember, it's always with a guy with HUGE power numbers, and they seem to always just make it, a lot of times right down the line.
I'd agree that it's much harder to hit an opposite field homer than the other way around....kinda like real baseball pre-1994.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 12/06/08, 12:36:20 PM
what makes you think that power to the opposite field is any less? It seems to me that opposite field power is the same, but I just don't hit shots to the opposite field as frequently because you really have to be late on a pitch to hit it with the barrell to the opposite field
I really wasn't expecting a debate on the issue as I figured it was common knowledge that opposite field power is less. But I guess maybe first we need to get buy in that opposite field power is not as great. Attez seems to feel the dsame way as me. You can still hit opposite field dingers and solid shots but never anywhere like when you hit the sweet spot to your own field.
Where's Nightwulf when you need him.
I would agree that it is much harder to hit an opposite field HR.
I have always just thought that it is nearly impossible to hit the ball on the sweet spot without hitting it foul.
It seems that the farthest balls I hit the other way are foul balls.
I also generally find that pulling gets better results than opposite field.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 12/06/08, 12:36:20 PM
what makes you think that power to the opposite field is any less? It seems to me that opposite field power is the same, but I just don't hit shots to the opposite field as frequently because you really have to be late on a pitch to hit it with the barrell to the opposite field
Whether you hit it with the barrel is determined by the position of your batter, not the position of the bat when it hits the ball, if I'm recalling the Contact Rating discussion correctly.
While I think it is hard to go the other way with the ball, I don't think power is diminished in any way if you do make contact in that direction.
I am really bad at swinging far to early, so I've had some games where I intentionally sit on the pitch and try to hit it as late as possible to adjust my timing. I've gone the other way many times while doing this kind of timing adjustment exercise.
I think I've seen some monster opposite way blasts, I've watched so many games but it has been a while.
I know I've hit 476-footers in RBI 3 (I think that's the max) the opposite way, with the shadow directly over the foul line the whole way. I'm not sure how different the hitting mechanics are, although they do use the same player rating scheme, with power ratings on roughly the same scale.
Still looking for an answer.
If you make contact on the sweet spot, it doesn't matter where you hit it.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 12/08/08, 10:34:56 AM
I know I've hit 476-footers in RBI 3 (I think that's the max) the opposite way, with the shadow directly over the foul line the whole way. I'm not sure how different the hitting mechanics are, although they do use the same player rating scheme, with power ratings on roughly the same scale.
Irrelevant. This is RBI we are talking about not RBI 3. Who plays RBI 3? Why not let me know how far you hit one on bases loaded or Tommy Lasorda baseball while you are at it?
Quote from: Brookensrules! on 01/15/10, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 12/08/08, 10:34:56 AM
I know I've hit 476-footers in RBI 3 (I think that's the max) the opposite way, with the shadow directly over the foul line the whole way. I'm not sure how different the hitting mechanics are, although they do use the same player rating scheme, with power ratings on roughly the same scale.
Irrelevant. This is RBI we are talking about not RBI 3. Who plays RBI 3? Why not let me know how far you hit one on bases loaded or Tommy Lasorda baseball while you are at it?
I'm a jerk.
Yep
cunt is a better word
Surprisingly, although in many ways it is the exact opposite of the word suggested above, dick also works well in this situation.
Quote from: Stock on 01/15/10, 01:27:43 PM
If you make contact on the sweet spot, it doesn't matter where you hit it.
Wrong
Quote from: Shooty on 01/15/10, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: Stock on 01/15/10, 01:27:43 PM
If you make contact on the sweet spot, it doesn't matter where you hit it.
Wrong
Prove otherwise.
You really think their is a "pull" bonus or something?
Quote from: Stock on 01/16/10, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Shooty on 01/15/10, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: Stock on 01/15/10, 01:27:43 PM
If you make contact on the sweet spot, it doesn't matter where you hit it.
Wrong
Prove otherwise.
You really think their is a "pull" bonus or something?
A) there
B) Not so much a pull bonus, but an opposite field penalty.
This seems like another early throw bop controversy.
I still don't think there's an opposite field penalty.
Where is all the evidence?
From all the games I watched in the fantasy RBI season that I commissioned, there is no evidence in any matter that suggests that players can't hit the ball just as far to the opposite field. I've seen moonshots go the other way by players who are in the top tier in power ratings and I have seen players in the bottom tier power rating hit the ball just as far the other way.
It should be noted that the contact to power relationship as well as where the majority of the balls are pitched does play a significant role in terms of the frequency of balls going the other way---in simulated games. Balls being pulled happen at a higher frequency vs balls going the other way from what I have observed in simulated games---due to pitchers coming inside more.
I've been trying to hit opposite field homers, and what I've found (while specifically looking for it) matches with what Stock said:
Quote from: Stock on 12/06/08, 04:02:38 PM
I would agree that it is much harder to hit an opposite field HR.
I have always just thought that it is nearly impossible to hit the ball on the sweet spot without hitting it foul.
It seems that the farthest balls I hit the other way are foul balls.
It is harder to go the other way, but not because of diminished power.
Way to dig that up.
That does make sense. I think it is nearly impossible to bunt a ball fair from the 1/4 swing position. Yet it is easy to bunt a ball fair from the 3/4 swing position.
This supports that it would be difficult to hit the ball in fair play on the sweet spot.
Not that bunting has much to do with hitting homeruns, but it does show that it is more difficult to put the ball in play when you are behind the pitch.
it's meaningless to argue. we'll just have to bump it every once in a while until nightwulf and his team of scientists figure this out.
though, they still never admitted to being wrong in the early throw bop case
Quote from: nomaaaaa on 01/23/10, 09:57:42 PM
though, they still never admitted to being wrong in the early throw bop case
It doesn't exist man, stop being so evangelical about it. There is no evidence for the early throw bop theory sucka... 8)
You guys probably also don't believe that moving back in the box during a swing will more likely create a pop up either.
I don't think I ever tried hitting while moving back in the box...
I do like doing the Happy Gilmore swing though.
Quote from: Shooty on 01/25/10, 07:49:39 AM
You guys probably also don't believe that moving back in the box during a swing will more likely create a pop up either.
i routinely ichiro for low power guys and backup for power guys
I like the term "Ichiro" for moving up in the box while you swing.
Nightwulf...since you're back, please look into this. Ideally this weekend.
LMK. :-*
I'm pretty much done with this RBI shit, sorry.
:o >:(
I love this shit. I had blindly played RBI for so long before I came to this site. Now I have raging debates on BOP, moving up/down in the box, opposite field power, etc. Great stuff. To me it makes the game even more fun to know the inner workings. Someday, Nightwulf, I hope you can look at RBI again - your work is unreal.
I'm getting closer to proving my theory. Stay tuned.
Quote from: Shooty on 01/25/10, 07:49:39 AM
You guys probably also don't believe that moving back in the box during a swing will more likely create a pop up either.
It's funny, because it's true. This "moving back in the box" thing has been proven. Pressing back is more likely to cause a fly ball, and moving forward causes a ground ball more often.
Quote from: Turd on 01/15/14, 07:25:22 AM
Quote from: Shooty on 01/25/10, 07:49:39 AM
You guys probably also don't believe that moving back in the box during a swing will more likely create a pop up either.
It's funny, because it's true. This "moving back in the box" thing has been proven. Pressing back is more likely to cause a fly ball, and moving forward causes a ground ball more often.
Exactly. Just like moving towards the plate will more likely make you pull the ball and moving away from the plate makes it more likely to go oppo.
Only because of bat angle. The up/down thing is actually part of the code, the same code that the new ground ball hack calls. It basically makes the player press up on the pad (without actually moving him) so it's m ore likely a ground ball.
As a batter you can kind of control the type of hit you want.
It will be interesting to see Hornsby hit in the Fantasy RBI league. With a 0 contact rating, his opposite field hits should go as far as everything else he hits.
What about The Range?
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