So I'm chatting with resident Tecmo hacker Jlstout (assisted in the 32 team ROM, as well as most of the Tecmo hacks we know of today) asking him a question regarding something on RBI. He finds what I need, and we go on our merry ways...
A week or two later I get an email asking if I had a few ROMs to provide him for some testing, and he says that he has successfully disassembled the RBI ROM into source code. I jokingly replied that he'd be my hero if he was able to add 20 teams to the ROM.
Then, yesterday, I get an email stating that he actually has it working and it needs some testing, and that he'll send me the ROM shortly. After cleaning the shit out of my pants, I checked my email, and was happily presented with the attached 30 team ROM. We've been communicating a lot, and he gave me permission to toss it up here for some testing by the community. Here's the details:
Original 96k ROM completely remastered to hold 30 teams. The result is a ROM consisting of the 2P pause hack, the Long BA and ERA hacks, and the per pitcher batting hacks. Please download and test away, posting any issues here in this thread.
As soon as we deem it playable, he's gonna hook me up with the locations for everything and I'll write an updated editor for this (and provide those locations to Nightwulf, in the event he wants to create an online editor for it).
Here we go folks, quite possibly, the perfect video game...
**Final update
Team Select Left and Right is rewritten to run along only one line since up and down is fully working
1P mode now plays against all other teams instead of just 9
Newspaper names are doubled in length but in a smaller 8x16 font
Newspaper names are updated for longer lengths
Scoreboard still shows glitch (this will remain unless we find a way to get rid of it). Minor annoyance for the luxury of 30 teams!
Unseen: Redundant data has been removed and code snippets optimized for smaller size
Attract mode shows all 30 teams, complete with City and Team name
--Unless something is spotted as wrong, broken, or needs added then this should be the last update.
Who are the other 20 teams? Sound very interesting.
Quote from: Dårky on 07/13/09, 06:30:28 PM
Who are the other 20 teams? Sound very interesting.
You're that dumb?
Awesome stuff!
Fan fucking tastic!
This could be the spark we need to getting more custom carts made as well...
Seriously, who are the 20 teams added? Excuse my lack of rom nerdery.
Agreed. Test Way, boys. Let's find any issues (he was doubting there'd be many) so we can get an editor written to edit this thing. I wonder if what helped me with inspired him to take a deeper look and that's why he did this. Very exciting.
The extra 20 teams are anyone you want. Right now they are all 30 2009 teams
Quote from: tecmoturd on 07/13/09, 06:35:12 PM
The extra 20 teams are anyone you want. Right now they are all 30 2009 teams
Thank you. Sounds exciting tecmoturd. Good shit man.
Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/09, 06:31:43 PM
This could be the spark we need to getting more custom carts made as well...
Hell yes.
Id be all over doing some classic season/all time great stuff with a reliable editor. Especially now that MVP 2005 modding is all but dead.
tecmoturd...if you write an editor for this incredible ROM, i don't care how much it confuses me, I WILL figure out how to use it.
this is news that i have dreamed of for years.
Played a few innings via the emulator and keyboard (if I lost my NES USB controller I'm gonna be PISSED) and it looks great. The CF scoreboard looks like the team abbreviation is still off for the first character. I couldn't hit a homer to center so I purposely made a throwing error to center to catch the very bottom, see attached. Between innings when they display the scoreboard the abbreviations look fine.
Outside of that no issues.
Note the screenshot above should be SF vs Se so it is only the first character. The screenshot shows a line I can't see while playing so it's more obvious.
Hopefully nightwulf and tecmoturd will both find the time to get this implemented...
Ha ha
Freaking awesome!
looks good. the in-game scoreboard (while the ball is in play) does show weird tiles in the team names. between innings looks fine.
1946 MLB/Negro League rom would be dope.
Awesome!!!
Quote from: bonny on 07/13/09, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/09, 06:31:43 PM
This could be the spark we need to getting more custom carts made as well...
Hell yes.
Id be all over doing some classic season/all time great stuff with a reliable editor. Especially now that MVP 2005 modding is all but dead.
i'd be down as well.
i loved the mvp05 shit, but being unable to play over the internet, it really died for me after i won the world series with three different teams.
I'll keep ya'll posted as updates come. When complete, I'll star on the editor.
awesome. if you can hook up with that achildprodigy kid (i think he's in japan, or at least is japanese) you will makefor a huge force in rbi mods/hacks.
he's the guy that did the stadium edits or wrigley, yankee stadium and fenway.
Quote from: TβG on 07/13/09, 11:13:34 PM
awesome. if you can hook up with that achildprodigy kid (i think he's in japan, or at least is japanese) you will makefor a huge force in rbi mods/hacks.
he's the guy that did the stadium edits or wrigley, yankee stadium and fenway.
He also posted about four posts prior to this one.
that's why i repeated the "awesome"
i assumed he saw prodigy's post.
achildprodigy should post more often if he's got some goodies to offer ;)
is there a way to combine the 30 team rom with the ability to chose different stadium configurations?
Jstout said he Was running out of space the way it was, so prob a no go on stadiums. I couldn't care less about that anyways. 30 teams is plenty for me.
He also investigated the pitcher unknowns and determined that they get loaded based off of certain pitches, and might indicate how good those pitchers are at those pitches. Nothing is certain as of now on that.
He also explained that the long team hack is unnecessary, as the game can handle any size string. He'll elaboratemore when he gets me the locations.
Quote from: tecmoturd on 07/14/09, 12:24:24 AM
He also investigated the pitcher unknowns and determined that they get loaded based off of certain pitches, and might indicate how good those pitchers are at those pitches. Nothing is certain as of now on that.
this would be huge for fantasy players as many people presume it affects pitcher performance. the bottom line is that we don't know and there's few things about the game at this point that are unknown.
exciting stuff.
I thought more about the editor thing, and the more I do that, the more I realize RBI Tool style editing isn't for this community, so when the ROM is ready, I vow to try and make a more straightforward, non-confusing editor. Don't know how long that'll take, but that's my plan...
I think he's calling us dumb.
Bag, people just said a few times now that they were confused, which I get, so I figured I'd change my way of thinking to help get this project moving forward. 30 team rom is useless without an editor.
From our 30 Team guru:
"Attract Mode is done showing all 30 teams (it previously only showed first 10). I have tried everything I can think of for the scoreboard glitch (I made default VISITOR and HOME tiles on the scoreboard to lose the glitch look but can't find a way for initials to work).
But, that wasn't perfect either had to go to just V and H..."
I think a 30 team rom (and the possibilities of editing such a rom) demands the development of a fair formula to translate player stats into RBI numbers so there can be easy/consistent implementation of entire league years into RBI.
If I were smart I would be all over this. But I'm not.
Really it all boils down to how to rate pitchers. I've got a setup, while tedious, that works for me. I'll just have to continue to hone those ratings as I go along.
I should be receiving another update of the ROM today. Yesterday, he added the ability to show all 30 teams on the attract mode screen, and that screen shows City and Team Name now, which is cool.
Feed me! Feed me! I feel like a kid at the candy store.
Long live R.B.I.
4-LIFE
Update with info in top post...
Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/09, 06:31:43 PM
This could be the spark we need to getting more custom carts made as well...
i second this idea
just fyi on the angels in the 30 team rom:
napoli hits twice (both 7th and 8th), but there are attributes in the 7 hole that correspond with aybar. guerrero bats righty. the game has him as left. substitute abreu for quinlan on the bench and put abreu at the top of the bench list.
actually, the way the season started before all the injuries was to have abreu in left and vladi in RF, but early injuries and rivera coming on strong prompted vladi to DH (if not the DL). then rivera was put in left.
anyway, i'm just nitpicking becasue it's my team :) the pitching looks perfect.
Please note that the ratings on this ROM are not 100% up to date. I plan on tweaking these after the season is over, these were done earlier for a league, so they aren't perfect, but I think they still represent well.
Same with the colors...these will be overhauled once I get the editor done.
AWESOME!! I have been waiting for this for a long time!! Once everything is finished & ready to edit, I'm going to make 2 seasons... 1989 & 1990. Once I'm done with these files I will send them to convert into real NES carts, then open up the carts of RBI 2 & RBI 3 & throw away those waste of rom chips!! With the classic RBI 1 gameplay engines in both games, I can PROUDLY say to the whole world that RBI 2 & 3 are actually great games & how the games that should of been made 20 years ago. Maybe it's time to make it a personal quest/mission to the world in buying both carts of RBI 2 & 3, convert them, then send them back into used shops so that world won't have to hide in fear with the old RBI 2 & 3 carts anymore. At least i know that I done some good for the world...LOL!!
Now if possible for a DH hack &/or extra pitcher in the rotation?
Quote from: The Honky Tonk Man on 07/19/09, 11:41:04 PM
AWESOME!! I have been waiting for this for a long time!! Once everything is finished & ready to edit, I'm going to make 2 seasons... 1989 & 1990. Once I'm done with these files I will send them to convert into real NES carts, then open up the carts of RBI 2 & RBI 3 & throw away those waste of rom chips!! With the classic RBI 1 gameplay engines in both games, I can PROUDLY say to the whole world that RBI 2 & 3 are actually great games & how the games that should of been made 20 years ago. Maybe it's time to make it a personal quest/mission to the world in buying both carts of RBI 2 & 3, convert them, then send them back into used shops so that world won't have to hide in fear with the old RBI 2 & 3 carts anymore. At least i know that I done some good for the world...LOL!!
Now if possible for a DH hack &/or extra pitcher in the rotation?
I'm guessing a DH hack wouldn't be terrible to do - nightwulf hacked in per-pitcher batting stats, so you'd basically just need a way to associate that ninth spot in the lineup with someone other than the pitcher. For now, a quick-and-dirty method would be to give all four pitchers the ratings of the player you wanted as DH - he'd have the wrong name when he batted, but you'd know who he was, and he wouldn't be a completely useless hitter.
I would note that as someone opposed to the DH rule, I don't care too much whether a DH is added, but I think ROMs with every team should take advantage of the pitcher batting hack, if only to make Micah Owings awesome.
All the main hacks are already present in the 30 team rom by default. I considered it a new game, so I had him put the good hacks in, plus some other goodies. The other stuff will be selectable on the editor.
I've been playing around with the 30-team RBI rom today, and I have to say it's pretty awesome! A couple problems I found with it, though... at least for me, the pitcher list for the Yankees shows the Cubs pitchers instead, and San Diego's list show Seattle's pitchers. The Cubs and Seattle are fine, as are the lineups. Has anyone else had that problem, or am I totally missing something?
Also, I agree that a DH for the AL teams would improve the realism. It might also be nice to separate the team selection list into AL and NL sides, like the RBI3 selection list or to some extent even the original RBI list. Having them broken up into divisions, like my long-forgotten RBI3 hack, would be a extra bonus!
Just some thoughts; it's looking great!
The issues you're mentioning with the 30-Team ROM are strictly roster related. They have nothing to do with the actual ROM working, that kind of thing will all be fixed when the editors are completed. They probably got hosed when he was moving data around...the ROM I posted wasn't meant to be a final product with accurate rosters, they are just there for filler to test if the ROM works.
Either way, those ratings aren't even perfect, they are from 2008...soon as 2009 is over I'm gonna update the ratings and release a more polished ROM.
Can someone confirm if the 30 team ROM will be compatible with a custom NES cartrridge as done by Leon K. in the past. thanks!
Unless any nes hacks modify anything crazy, it should work just fine.
Quote from: tecmoturd on 07/25/09, 10:25:59 AM
Unless any nes hacks modify anything crazy, it should work just fine.
sounds good. since asking that question I read about RetroZone's PowerPak cartridge that accepts .nes files straight off Compact Flash cards. this would seem ideal. You could load up the original, arcade version, 30 team version etc. and have them all on one cart. definitely seems a great way to not have to perfect your player's before getting to play on a real NES system.
http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=34
Quote from: rbichamp on 07/25/09, 10:10:07 AM
Can someone confirm if the 30 team ROM will be compatible with a custom NES cartrridge as done by Leon K. in the past. thanks!
There's no 100% sure answer until it's tried. The best answer I can give is that if it runs in Nintendulator (http://www.qmtpro.com/~nes/nintendulator/) then there's a very high probability that it'll run on an NES.
the Yankees have the Cubs pitchers...
Check out the steroid thread, I posted my exporter and all that is fixed there.
rbi30.sweethoss.com
At what point in time do we stop hacking great games and just build our own game that moves and looks like the original? I love RBI, but in all seriousness, I wish I had the know-how to just start from scratch and build a baseball game that was exactly what I wanted.
Yeah, but understand that the developers already spent all of their development and planning on the gameplay of these games, and had teams of people dedicated to graphics and testing and all that.
Having a base to start with means that we can take that base and improve upon that without as much effort. We all have full-time jobs, families, etc, so we don't have time to do what you're asking.
I'd be lying if I told you I haven't thought about exactly what you're saying. I always joked that if I ever won the lottery I'd dedicate my free-time to recreating our favorite old games and fill in all the missing pieces...
Quote from: dusto magnifico on 08/16/09, 04:29:55 AM
At what point in time do we stop hacking great games and just build our own game that moves and looks like the original? I love RBI, but in all seriousness, I wish I had the know-how to just start from scratch and build a baseball game that was exactly what I wanted.
Supposedly there was a team working on a version for XBox Live, slated for this year - they went so far as to register the name with the ESRB, and I got confirmation from one of the developers on some basic info. However, last time I checked, there was nothing about it on their site, and my email to that developer went unanswered.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 08/16/09, 04:40:11 PM
and my email to that developer went unanswered.
I smell a conspiracy
I'm sure at some point in time, likely when I finish school, that I will find myself neck deep in RBI baseball hacks and mods to my hearts content. I would like to see the Dodger stadium version and the Fenway park version, (really would like to see all the stadiums, seems unrealistic though), at the same time include great features found in other games like RBI 3. Skipping between innings, home run distance, season play with updated stats, defensive attributes, etc... but still keep the classic simple gameplay of the original!
Is there some place where all the possible editors are located together? I'd like to see all of them and have my choice of whats possible.
Nightwulf's original ROM editor (web)
http://nightwulf.rbicentral.com/rbi-editor/
RBIM (do a google search or PM me) (windows)
http://www.emuware.com/rbibm/
DBatch's editor (windows)
Noone has this anymore, at least noone who shows their head here
RBITool (windows)
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=22874.0
Nightwulf's 30 Team Editor
Currently under development
TecmoTurd's 30 Team Editor
In very raw form, not suitable for release, and no plans to do so unless needed
Thanks tecmo. I still haven't figured out the emuware editor. But nightwulfs works good enough for me.
Quote from: dusto magnifico on 08/17/09, 12:17:29 AM
Thanks tecmo. I still haven't figured out the emuware editor. But nightwulfs works good enough for me.
The emuware editor was made before the power attribute had been fully figured out, so there is a really big hack in there - at one time, it was believed that hitters had a "groundball" attribute that made them hit weaker than their power rating actually was. However, we later discovered that the groundball attribute is actually another byte of the power rating. Basically, if you use RBIBM for editing, you need to know that a guy with zero power and a guy with full power plus "groundball attribute" are actually one power point apart.
here is achildprodigy's rom of with the green monster.
1. 15 teams + monster
2. wrigley field
3. yankee stadium
the dude is somewhat of an anomoly. no one seems to know much about him except that he's japanese. not even sure if gantry has his contact.
Oh the awesomeness!!!
Quote from: rbichamp on 07/25/09, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: tecmoturd on 07/25/09, 10:25:59 AM
Unless any nes hacks modify anything crazy, it should work just fine.
sounds good. since asking that question I read about RetroZone's PowerPak cartridge that accepts .nes files straight off Compact Flash cards. this would seem ideal. You could load up the original, arcade version, 30 team version etc. and have them all on one cart. definitely seems a great way to not have to perfect your player's before getting to play on a real NES system.
http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=34
Well, I got the PowerPak cartridge. Every RBI game I've put on it so far has played. This includes the original, Fenway, Wrigley, Yankee stadium, and 30 team versions.