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Title: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/09/10, 11:16:52 PM
I renamed the other thread and started a new one, hope noone minds. I wanted a thread devoted to discussion of the ROM, and the other one had stuff about collaborating on ratings and all that.

Includes all 30 teams with the best color combinations I could find. With limited palette, limited tiles, and and extra 20 teams, it's difficult, so there are SOME compromises, but I feel it works, and barring some major upheaval, I'm locked in on the colors I've chosen.

Each team includes the lineups from the most up-to-date sources I could find.  The pitchers consist of 2 SPs, 1 relief, and 1 closer, with staminas rated for original feel, save for a few tweaks to make playing  in the style of "one SP per game"  play a little better, while not compromising strategy.

Error probability is 5 flat across the board

I have my own rating style and feel pretty good about the lineups being correct as of recent. I know some people are going to have a differing of opinion, and I'm open to suggestion, although I'm gonna make the final call on whether or not I'll make a change to the ROM.  

Included are two ROMs, a regular version, and a juiced version.  While this is a public release, this is still a beta, and depending on feedback from you/me playtesting, the ratings might change.

I spent a shitload of time on this, I hope ya'll get some enjoyment out of it.  

All downloads, rosters, release notes, etc can now be found at http://rbibaseball.us

Previous downloads
Regular: 29
Juiced: 33
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TβG on 01/10/10, 12:52:08 AM
nice playability in one game v computer so far.

i would prefer the angels look like this:
w/DH
1 aybar
2 abreu
3 hunter
4 morales
5 matsui
6 rivera
7 kendrick
8 wood
9 napoli

w/o DH

1 aybar
2 abreu
3 hunter
4 morales
5 rivera
6 kendrick
7 wood
8 napoli

bench (w/DH):
mattews jr
M Izturis
Willits
Mathis

pitchers:
JdWevr
Kazmir
Shields
Fuentes
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/10/10, 12:53:14 PM
Thanks for the feedback...I made the changes as we discussed in the PM.  These changes will be reflected in the next release.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/17/10, 09:53:01 PM
says I have to pick a program that the file is saved in...what should I pick?
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/17/10, 09:55:06 PM
?? Where does it say this? When you try and download it?  Or, do you need help working the emulator? Not sure what you're asking, but let me know and I'd be glad to help...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/17/10, 09:56:20 PM
yeah, when I open it after downloading it.  I was able to down load juiced 2008 back in the day, I see...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/17/10, 09:58:18 PM
You need to use an emulator like nestopia or virtuanes or something...open the emulator, and then open the ROM with the emulator...unless you have nes files associated with your emulator, it won't automatically know what to do with it, which is why you're getting that message...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/17/10, 10:00:33 PM
Oh, duh.  Right.  Thanks...it's bee a long time since I've played any NES ROMs...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/17/10, 10:01:25 PM
No problem, brother...I recommend Nestopia (both for online play and for offline play). Good luck, let me know what you think...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: lrod4 on 01/18/10, 12:33:52 PM
Tecmo

I have been offline for a while and just checkked back to this site.  I am downloading the files as I type.  What is the difference between the 2 roms?

Are you looking for feedback from both roms?

Thanks a lot

Luke

Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/18/10, 12:43:01 PM
The first ROM is straight up RBI as you're used to it, save for the updated rosters and team colors.  The second is a "juiced" ROM where the CPU's outfielder/infielder speed is amped up, as is their throwing velocity.  It makes the CPU much more difficult to beat, as it stops them from making less stupid fielding decisions.  It's more akin to playing vs. a human. While not perfect, it's close...

The other thing I should mention as a side effect of juicing the outfielder/infielder speed, if the CPU tries to chase you down on the basepath, they will jet off the base like someone lit a firecracker up their ass and run you down.  It looks a little weird, but it has the effect of forcing you to make very smart base-running decisions (e.g., not attempting that extra base).

I have a website setup for you to setup your own custom juice where you can even juice the batter power, pitching curve ability, etc, but I don't like using that, as it kind of removes the dynamics of an opponent's strengths and weaknesses.  So, in the ROM I posted in the first thread, it's just speed related, nothing else is juiced.

Any other questions, let me know...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TempoGL on 01/18/10, 12:58:57 PM
once a final edition is released, i will be asking the guy at NESreproductions.com if these ROMs can successfully be burned to a cartridge.  I will keep you all posted.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/18/10, 01:10:38 PM
Ok...just so you know, this thing is gonna be a living ROM, so you'll have to decide what is "final" to you.  I keep making tweaks, and I'll post another one here soon.  Aside from the small tweaks, I'm going to consider three different milestone releases...

Just before the season starts
All-star break
Post-season final

Incremental releases will come between them, but I am constantly going to edit this thing to make it as accurate as possible.  So, Let me know when you want a final cut and I'll give you what I have up until that point.

Also, since I'm a nice guy and you are spending your money on getting it put on a cart, I'd be happy to make a custom tweak (color, roster alignment, etc) for you before you send it on out (even if I don't agree it should be in my final ROM).  Of course, these requests will be handled within reason, as I don't have time to do a million custom requests, although I doubt that'll be a problem.

Hit me up with questions...I'm 99% sure these will work on a cart, but I'd still be curious to hear from someone who's done it.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TempoGL on 01/18/10, 01:16:19 PM
awesome...sounds good, TT.  i would consider a "final" release for 2010 to be after you get the ratings set where you feel they should be, but before any roster changes are made over the course of the 2010 season.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/18/10, 01:24:35 PM
Fair enough, I'll let ya know when I feel they are good...haven't gotten any feedback from more than a select few, so if that stays the same, thus will most of the ratings on the ROM...I'll keep ya'll posted...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TempoGL on 01/18/10, 10:41:11 PM
just an observation from playing...the white sox should probably have Thornton and Jenks in the bullpen...no question that thorton is the top dog aside from Jenks on the team.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/18/10, 10:41:55 PM
Right on, good catch...I'll set that up...I used the long relief guy as the default 3rd pitcher, so that's why Torres is in there...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/22/10, 12:48:38 PM
I have a new update coming very soon.  The last thing I have to do is go through and update the "per pitcher batting" attributes.

Once I get that finished, I'll generate a roster sheet and post it here, then any of you fine people can glance at it easily and see if there are any trades I missed or players on the wrong team, etc.  This should be helpful for people who don't want to load up the ROM but can still glance through the rosters and see what needs changing, considering I've been looking at an excel spreadsheet and player stats for so long, it's easy for me to get buried and have all the stuff blur together. 
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/22/10, 09:22:00 PM
Updated ROMS with change log and roster sheet attached to the first post...even if you aren't gonna play it, feel free to download the roster sheet and let me know if you see an error or whatever. 
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TempoGL on 01/23/10, 11:39:57 AM
i would like to see Brian Anderson included on the royals bench, but that's just me...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/23/10, 12:11:12 PM
Just as a preference, or because you think it's more realistic/accurate...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Re-Peat on 01/23/10, 01:54:41 PM
Hey turd, do you have a spreadsheet or text file of the contact/power/speed ratings of the players?
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/23/10, 01:57:11 PM
I can generate one...I just haven't released it yet because I wanted people to play the game without bias first, as opposed to "you gave such and such that much curve!" Or, "why is does this guy have a better curve than that guy?"

Eventually I'll release that, but I wanted some unbiased gameplay first...cool?
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Re-Peat on 01/23/10, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: tecmoturd on 01/23/10, 01:57:11 PM
I can generate one...I just haven't released it yet because I wanted people to play the game without bias first, as opposed to "you gave such and such that much curve!" Or, "why is does this guy have a better curve than that guy?"

Eventually I'll release that, but I wanted some unbiased gameplay first...cool?

Ok, how about after the challenge is complete?

I was a little shocked at how good Boston was...  And I don't think it's the ROM's fault, their roster just looks stacked.  Beltre batting 8th?  Shit...

The reason I asked to start with was that David Freese (batting 7th for the Cards) is such a fucking bum in the game I was wondering if subbing in someone from the bench might not be the best strategy... 

Freese has very little MLB work on which one might base his ratings, so I'm not going to say he's better than that because who knows?

And it's not like STL has a bunch of great  players off the bench either...  I'd definitely feel better if he was down at 8 and push Ryan (who I like as a player, and in the ROM) to 7, or even 6 (switching with Molina).

Also, Ludwick's power seems a little low to me.  I expect bad contact for him but if Ludwick connects that ball should be gone and so far he's shown nothing but warning track power.

Rasmus and Shumaker seem perfect to me.  Shu is a great lefty leadoff man who lives off the Pettis, has marginal power at best and not blinding speed.  Rasmus has moderate speed and power, sometimes sucking a big fat dick and sometimes carrying the team.  Both seem right on to me.  Molina is also a marginal hitter with weak power, another appropriate build.

This was supposed to be a quick post, but turned into a full on critique of the lineup...

I'm not as good with pitchers so it's hard for me to critique them.  Wainwright does seem a little slow to me though.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/23/10, 02:21:45 PM
Yeah, I'll release the actual attributes soon.

Much appreciated feedback...I'll be sure to look it over.  Here are is Ludwick:

No Name   R/L    Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
===============================
05 Ludwck RHB  .265  22  22    842      123

With 842 - 22, his worst power will be 822, and that should be enough to crank a few good homers...

Wainright's speed ratings:
Fastball: 85 - 91 MPH
Normal: 77 - 83 MPH
Slowball: 67 - 75 MPH
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Re-Peat on 01/23/10, 02:42:14 PM
I guess I should throw more fastballs... 

Like Attezz I never change speed against the computer.  It doesn't catch the comp off guard the way it can fool a human. 

Jair Jurrjens (ATL) was throwing crazy heat at me, and I wasn't sure if he was throwing "fastballs" or if it was his normal stuff.  I guess I felt a little hosed throwing 80mph with Wainwright while Jurrjens was tossing consistently at 90mph.

I think Ludwick deserves power closer to 860-880, but his contact should be closer to 30.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TβG on 01/23/10, 06:36:10 PM
here's an updated angels roster, if for nothing else then posterity.

without DH

01 EAybar SS
02 Abreu RF
03 Hunter CF
04 Morles 1B
05 JRivra LF
06 Kendrk 2B
07 BWood 3B
08 Napoli C

bench:
B1 Matsui (LF)
B2 MIztrs (Util IF)
B3 Mathis (C)
B4 Willts (Util OF)

Pitchers:
S1 JdWevr
S2 Kazmir
R1 Palmer
R2 Fuentes (this could be Rodney once the season starts, should be interesting to see this fight in spring)
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/23/10, 10:29:01 PM
Looked into the Wainright vs. Jurrjens speed issue, they are rated almost the same, differing by 1 MPH, except for the sinker, which Jurrjens is 5 MPH faster at, but has 5 drop ability vs. Wainright's 7.  Wainright crushes Jair in curve ability though.

As for the Angels lineup...I'll note this for my next update.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TempoGL on 01/23/10, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: tecmoturd on 01/23/10, 12:11:12 PM
Just as a preference, or because you think it's more realistic/accurate...

i dunno, hopefully bonny (resident royals fan) chimes in with his opinion.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 01/29/10, 02:05:36 PM
The rosters file has been posted over at http://rbibaseball.us
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Clambutt on 02/01/10, 10:50:03 AM
The Reds are fkn terrible.  Volquez>Arroyo for one of the SP spots would have been nice too...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/01/10, 11:04:46 AM
Votto, Phillips, and Bruce are all pretty good hitters, the rest of the lineup is kind of meh...they weren't that amazing last season...

As for Volquez, I told you I'd add him already, as I agree he's a better pitcher :)
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Post by: Clambutt on 02/01/10, 11:09:01 AM
just played 2nd game.  3 Phillips HR...  I guess I spoke too soon.
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Post by: kahouty on 02/03/10, 06:18:37 AM
Hey man. AMAZING job resurrecting a legendary game. Couple suggestions for my A's

Pitching is perfect. Only thing that might change over the season is Joey Devine taking over the setup role from Wuertz.

Lineup prbly oughta be

1)Davis - LF
2)Crisp - CF
3)Suzuki - C
4)Cust - RF/DH
5)Kouz - 3B
6)Fox - 1B
7)Ellis - 2B
8)Pennington - SS

and if the DH ever comes into play, slap Sweeney(RF) back in there before/after Ellis.


Bench should be changed to

Sweeney
Barton
Powell
ERIC CHAVEZ BABY!


Cuz we all know those .185 0 hr guys are useleless(Miles), so may as well go with the fragile legend with pinch hit pop.
If Chavez been too much a non factor, Adam Rosales is better than Miles.

Soon Barton will be a career AAAthletic and Carter will hit the bench in the show. Otherwise you pretty much nailed how bad the A's are going to be this season!  :D


Anyway, I'm just being picky but they are suggestions nonetheless. Too much good shit you put together. This is going to keep me busy all baseball season and beyond. If you need any help with teams/scouting/benches/lineups lemme know. I'm such a baseball nut its ridiculous.

And if I didn't stress this enough...HOLY SHIT NICE JOB WITH THE ROM!  >:D
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/03/10, 06:36:15 AM
Thanks, brother. I'm glad you like it. I have been working on the 1987 ROM while I let some more trades and moves occur, but rest assured I'll be doing more updates and I'll take your suggestions into consideration.

If you ever want to play online, let me know. Enjoy the ROM in the meantime.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/09/10, 04:15:41 PM
Just as an FYI, this project is on hold until the season nears.  I got sick of trying to keep up.  When that happens, I'll do another sweep of the rosters to make sure lineups are in their correct order and probably do a polish of the ratings based on some things I learned on the 1987 ROM.
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Post by: TβG on 02/25/10, 12:22:59 PM
Lineup Info:
latest news from angels spring training camp:

"In his early-day session with the media, Scioscia again identified Erick Aybar and Maicer Izturis as his leadoff men and said he was anticipating having Hideki Matsui in the fourth or fifth spots in the order, with Abreu batting second most of the time."
http://lylemspencer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/02/abreu_morales_miss_opening_wor.html
(matsui of course will be DH, so that will be awesome if/when we get that capability in the game)
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/25/10, 12:24:57 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm actually working on lineups as we speak...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/25/10, 11:54:17 PM
Finalized batter power. All that's left is to tweak pitchers and adjust for trades and lineup changes...then this bitch is complete...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: AlecTrevylan006 on 02/26/10, 09:19:40 PM
If only we could edit in stadiums somehow... course, it'd just be Tecmo, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park or Wrigley Field so far but that'd be awesome
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 02/26/10, 09:55:31 PM
Meh, stadiums don't interest me, but I get how It does for some.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: FreedomRock on 03/01/10, 09:48:34 PM
Will there be an editor available for this ROM?

Just curious, as I noticed a few adjustments I wanted to make to player ratings.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/01/10, 09:53:30 PM
Blasphemy! The ratings are rock solid!!!

J/K.  There is not a public editor available...if you have some changes, post them here and I'll be glad to entertain them.  Just be sure to rationalize your changes...

I plan on finalizing everything this week.  I'm almost done with the pitchers (got about 10 teams to go, I think) and then I am going to finalize any roster moves and lineup changes and call it a final release.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: FreedomRock on 03/06/10, 07:42:12 PM
Here are my top changes for 2010:

1. Even though I can't stand Boston (Rays fan), I noticed that Daniel Bard's top fastball speed was 86 MPH. He actually throws about 100 and has been clocked as high as 102.

2. Cameron Maybin's speed is at 123. Maybin is historically a really good base stealer, can steal 20+ bases in a full year.

3. Delmon Young's speed at 123: see Maybin, though Young is a bit slower.

I thought of other more negligible stuff, but I'll let it slide.

Very good job on the Rays' ratings, and just about every other team.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/06/10, 07:45:14 PM
Completely agreed on Bard's FB, I have a feeling that was supposed to be 96...I'll look at the rest of your suggestions...thanks for the feedback brother.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/06/10, 07:46:09 PM
P.S. Post the negligible stuff, I'm anal, and I want it as perfect as I can.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: ultimate7 on 03/06/10, 10:07:17 PM
Cubs,

Derrick Lee is too slow at 123.  Sam Fuld is fast (he's a pinch runner, lots of steals in the minors), if he stays on the bench his speed should be about 140.  But really their 2010 bench should have Xavier Nady and Marlon Byrd
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/06/10, 10:30:59 PM
Thanks, I'm noting all these and will be making appropriate changes later...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/07/10, 12:16:45 AM
7 teams left and I'm done with the final updates.  Almost there, folks...wow, I can't even fathom how many hours I put into this fucking project.  Tons of lunch hours and late nights...thankfully my daughter sleeps very well, or I'd never get this thing done.

Thanks for all the suggestions and whatnot, it's really helped me get it right.  After staring at stats and player info, it's very easy to go shithouse rat and lose your focus, and you guys have polished a lot of the edges for me.  This ROM is gonna be great...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: FreedomRock on 03/07/10, 02:28:23 AM
Thank you for all the time and effort.

Here's a bit more from me:

1. They're only five points apart now, but I think Carl Crawford is slightly more powerful than Jason Bartlett.

2. Troy Glaus (Braves) should probably have more power. He hit 27 home runs in 2008 before a shoulder injury shut him down last year.

3. A couple of Braves (Cabrera, Hinske) could be a bit faster. Gregor Blanco is faster than 122.

4. Josh Hamilton is a bit underrated across the board (more in power than anything else).

5. Alfonso Soriano isn't as fast as he once was, but a small increase from 126 can help him.

OK, enough nitpicking for one day. Nice job so far.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/07/10, 10:15:38 PM
Alright, there were some issues I missed for sure. I really tried to adjust for AB and whatnot, but some guys I missed. Glaus was one of them...I took most of your suggestions into consideration...

I'm gonna let this ride for one more week, get some play-testing in, and next weekend I'll assess if I want to release it as a Final.

After it's final, I'm not making anymore changes...I need it to be unchanged after release so it works for the RPC...

Thanks for all the suggestions...I did make a few changes to uniforms. Lord, that's a tedious process with 30 teams and two colors per team with a bunch of the teams having gray unis with blue hats...I think I'm pretty happy with what I got left (save for a few I had to compromise on).

http://rbi30.sweethoss.com/viewuniforms.php?romid=1
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/11/10, 05:54:19 AM
Heya Turd. I've been playing the ROM a bit more and I think the White Sox lineup needs a tweak. Teahen is hitting 3rd and I'm pretty sure it should be


1)Pierre
2)Teahen/Beckham
3)Quentin
4)Konerko
5)Rios
6)Ramirez
7)Teahen/Beckham
8)Homosexual Catcher

Or actually this lineup is so solid with bangers I think most 3,4,5 combos will work with Konerko, Rios, Quentin in any order. Just teahen isn't a 3 hole guy.



I'll keep testing the teams and see if theres anything else I notice that seems a little out of place.

The stats seem real solid on everybody so far.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/11/10, 06:09:32 AM
Oh also the A's bench still has Miles in there when he was traded for Rosales. Heres makin the case for my boy on the bench instead. Lookin healthy so far.  ;D

Eric Chavez pounds 2 homers in A's loss
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100310&content_id=8745990&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak



Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/11/10, 06:44:25 AM
Noted, I'll address it as soon as I can. Thanks!  Your testing will help solidify this stuff, as at the very minimum, I don't want misplaced players on the final version.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/11/10, 11:58:20 AM
I updated the lineup, and I added Chavez, as I do feel he's a good replacement for Miles.  I rated him based on a hybrid of his career averages and whatnot.  I did tax him on a bit of his attributes based on uncertainty, although with the 64 power bonus for bench players, he should do ok.
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Post by: kahouty on 03/11/10, 07:45:17 PM
Cool man lookin good. I'll keep playing when I get a free minute here and there and see if theres any other teams that are a bit weird. One thing to note is Joe Nathan is injured and won't be pitching this year because of the torn elbow something or other. Dunno if you want to replace him on the Twins roster or not.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/11/10, 07:55:52 PM
I know. Haven't decided on Nathan yet.
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Post by: BeefMaster on 03/11/10, 08:19:22 PM
If you drop Nathan, the Twins' two best relievers are probably Guerrier (R) and Mijares (L), although I'm guessing Rauch (R) will get the closer spot, at least at first.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/11/10, 08:29:45 PM
Thanks beef. Since you mention, what do you think about the twins uni (or any other team)? I am tweaking and I want them to accurat as possible with two colors per team and 30 teams co
peting for colors.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/12/10, 07:16:21 PM
Hey Turd, lookin at the Unis and the Giants are black/grey. Seems the creme color for the base uniform would work pretty well with the black hats and give a more legit feel. Most teams home unis are white, but the Giants and one of a few teams that uses that off white creme-color. Heh....he said creme.


Anyway, see how the present padres color with the black hat looks. Might work, might not I'd have to see it.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: BeefMaster on 03/12/10, 08:38:56 PM
I'm with kahouty on the Giants... I don't know what there is to work with as far as cream, but you could also throw in their original RBI brown, maybe - it isn't terribly authentic, but it would at least match the lettering, and it would be recognizable as the Giants.  That would also allow you to go with a full black for the Yankees' caps, too - I assume it's a gray you're using, but it shows up kinda green on my monitor from most angles.

The Twins should probably have a lighter gray for their primary color, unless you're worried about it being too close to the Braves' (just the shade of blue would differ).

I think the Red Sox' hats should be navy (probably the same as you're using for the Twins) instead of gray.

Other than those fairly minor quibbles (along with the fact that the Rays somehow seem off, but I can't think of anything specific to do about it), you've done an excellent job with the uniforms - for most teams, I could guess the team just by the uniform, which is hard to do with so many teams sharing red and blue as primary colors.
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Post by: Turd on 03/12/10, 09:51:15 PM
Giants - I'll look into using a creme for their primary.  I just didn't want it to be too close to white, and the gray is one of their colors.

Yankees (and Brewers, actually). On all my monitors, the color you referred to as gray is actually a Navy blue...it does have a green tinge to it, but it looks pretty good in-game.  I felt that the other Navy blue looked too much like the old brewers blue than the new.

Twins - That same blue mentioned above was used for the twins...it looked close in the pics I looked at...the twins are a team I changed several times. I'll mess with it again...

That color you're seeing as Gray comes out as Blue on my monitor...curious to what it looks like in-game for you...I used that for a few teams...most people i've talked to see blue, with the only caveat being some say it looks greenish a bit.

I don't know what to do about the Rays...I'll mess with it again tonight and see if I can get people's opinions.
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Post by: Turd on 03/12/10, 10:01:28 PM
I updated the Giants, Twins, and Yankees unis.  I got nothin' for the Rays.  How do those updates look?
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Post by: Turd on 03/12/10, 10:02:38 PM
Also remember these are web variations of those colors...to get the true feel of what they look like, it's best to look at it in-game.
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Post by: kahouty on 03/12/10, 11:55:15 PM
Yeah Giants look 155% better imo. Twins look legit. And since theres no true yankee blue the gray/black seems authentic enough(actually how does the met blue look with the gray uniforms?).

I played SD and SF against each other to see if they were too close, and it totally works. Easy to see the difference and they both look great.

Very very close now.

For the Rays, go with their home whites...white base and use that same purple for the hats. I think that would capture the flavor of their duds.


I'm gonna go over the lineups and see if theres anything that might need a tweak. I saw one already so I'll make another post with some alternate lineup suggestions(and why).
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Post by: Turd on 03/13/10, 12:12:41 AM
Do the rays look purple to you? It looks blue on my monitor. I don't know if a white and blue will fit, as there are other teams with that combo already.

I had the yanks setup like I have the twins now. It worked, but then the twins were out of good schemes.
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Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 12:52:22 AM
My bad not purple. Its a blue, but def with purple tones.

Though correct me if I'm wrong, its a blue that isn't used by any other team correct?

If so have a look. If the shade of blue isn't shared then the white/blue might work.


http://lateinnings.com/media/blogs/blog/ALE-Uniform-TB.PNG


The only other teams with a white base blue hat seem to be the Dodgers, and Tigers.

If you think otherwise thats cool. Thats why we slap it up here to kick around the ideas.
The Rays are def not terrible as is.
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Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:12:10 AM
Basically when suggesting these I'm going with the most logical(to me) traditional batting order, being this. (Also of note I think the lineup balance may not be exactly as they would write a lineup today, but more on the basis of last years stats. Obv Luke Scott won't hit cleanup too often this year with Matt Wieters coming into his own, though as these stats dictate Scott is the best power hitter on this team.)

And always, these are just suggestions. I don't claim to be a guru by any means. For game balance purposes I think its important to have the most competitive lineup, and thats what I'm shooting for here. And also when possible, it makes sense to go Righty/Lefty if the options are present.

1)Fast/High Avg guy
2)High avg/good hitter/speed also if possible
3)Best hitter on the team
4)Most raw power
5)RBI guy with Power(usually the over the hill guy that used to hit in the 3 hole)
6)Not the worst hitter
7)2nd worst hitter
8)Worst hitter


Baltimore Lineup suggestion

1) Robrts LHB  .283  16  19   824   136
2) Jones  RHB  .277  19  20   832   128
3) Mrkaks LHB  .293  18  17   835   125
4) Scott  LHB  .258  25  23   872   121
5) Tejada RHB  .313  14  13   815   123
6) Wietrs LHB  .288   9  18   788   121
7) Riemld LHB  .279  15  19   815   126
8) Atkins RHB  .226   9  27   775   121
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:19:49 AM
Indians Suggestion


1 ACbrer LHB  .308   6  15   770   133
2 GSizmr LHB  .248  18  20   890   133
3 Choo   LHB  .300  20  16   845   137
4 Brnyan LHB  .251  31  23   899   123
5 Hafner LHB  .272  16  20   815   120
6 Perlta RHB  .254  11  23   787   121
7 Vlbuen LHB  .250  10  24   782   124
8 LaPrta RHB  .254   7  23   785   121
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:23:53 AM
Marlins Suggestion

1 Coghln RHB  .321   9  13   795   130
2 Baker  LHB  .271   9  21   776   120
3 Rmirez RHB  .342  24   9   860   135
4 Uggla  RHB  .243  31  25   900   122
5 Cantu  RHB  .289  16  18   815   122
6 Ross   RHB  .270  24  21   860   124
7 Snchez RHB  .238   2  26   765   120
8 Maybin RHB  .250   4  24   748   128
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Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:29:40 AM
Yankees Suggestion

1 Grndsn LHB  .249  30  24   894   138
2 Jeter  RHB  .334  18  11   827   136
3 Teixra LHB  .292  39  17   944   124
4 Rdrgez RHB  .286  30  18   894   128
5 Posada LHB  .285  22  18   865   121
6 Cano   LHB  .320  25  13   866   125
7 Swsher LHB  .249  29  24   889   121
8 Johnsn LHB  .291   8  17   785   123
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:34:27 AM
Mariners Suggestion

1 Ichiro LHB  .352  11   8   815   137
2 Figgns LHB  .298   5  16   770   148
3 Gtierz RHB  .283  18  19   827   129
4 Lopez  RHB  .272  25  20   866   122
5 Brdley LHB  .257  12  22   793   122
6 Grffey LHB  .214  19  30   832   120
7 Ktchmn LHB  .268   7  21   770   120
8 Wilson RHB  .255   5  23   760   123
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:37:54 AM
Blue Jays Suggestion

1 Btista RHB  .235  13  26   788   125
2 Ovrbay LHB  .265  16  22   815   121
3 Lind   LHB  .305  35  15   920   121
4 Hill   RHB  .286  36  18   926   123
5 Wells  RHB  .260  15  22   810   132
6 Encarn RHB  .225  13  28   799   123
7 Snider LHB  .241   9  25   776   122
8 Buck   RHB  .247   8  24   770   125
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/13/10, 07:47:50 AM
Awesome, I'll look all this over when I get a chance (I'm out today, but probably Sunday night).  We'll see what I can figure out with the rays uni.

As for the lineup suggestions, I appreciate the feedback. At this point, there's a lot of conjecture.  I used www.mlbdepthcharts.com heavily, as they were the only one who continually updated their lineups.  It's just another guy's projection.  The benefit of taking suggestions from people is that I can work on the meat of the ROM while others can simply scan lineups for tweaks to help balance out the game, and make it more accurate.  Most of what you posted does make sense, although for the Yankees, I've relied on a few fans to give me their projection, which is something I usually trust because most fans know their team and follow their team's news closely.

Much much thanks for taking the time to help me make it accurate, your feedback has been most helpful.  I'll work on implementing some of your suggestions on Sunday.

P.S. Let's play a game sometime...
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Post by: Turd on 03/13/10, 07:48:41 AM
P.P.S. I should just give you access to my editor so you can change the lineups yourself :) I updated the rays, but I think they might clash vs the tigers in-game. Can't try it myself right now.
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Post by: BeefMaster on 03/13/10, 10:54:27 AM
I just tried out a game with the Twins, and while I initially thought everyone seemed really, really slow, I think that was because I've been watching Fantasy games in 2x speed - I checked the ratings, and they looked good, other than I think Punto and Casilla should be faster (they're both frequently used as pinch runners, and Casilla only had as few steals as he did because he could never get on base), Harris should have more power than Morales, and Hardy should probably have more power than Span.  Those are subjective, though, and pretty small changes, so no complaints if you don't.

One roster change - Casilla should be replaced on the bench by Jim Thome.  Depending on how accurate you want to be for the beginning of the season, you could leave Casilla and remove Morales - Casilla will probably be the least-used guy on the bench, but Morales has a bum wrist and might not be ready for Opening Day.

Batting order looked good, although so far Gardy has been batting Cuddyer ahead of Kubel, probably to break up the run of lefties a little.  I don't know whether that will be maintained into the regular season.

I think a bluer blue (kind of like you have for the Rangers) would look better for the Twins' hats, but they weren't bad.  I played against the White Sox, and their black and white was perfect.
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Post by: kahouty on 03/13/10, 02:00:18 PM
Yeah that does look awful close to the Tigers. Might be better to just go back to the black hats. I thought the shade of blue would stand out a lot more than it does. Ahwell don't know if we don't try right.

And thanks for entertaining all my blahblahblah. I know its alot and I know its all based on preferences. Have a great weekend and I'll catch up toya later.
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Post by: Turd on 03/13/10, 03:06:45 PM
Ok, I made the tigers gray/blue instead of white/blue, and then made the rays white blue.  I think...I THINK, everthing looks good now.  My only complaint is the Braves...they are gray and blue, but their blue is a little light for my taste.  Not much ya can do about it at this point...
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Post by: Turd on 03/14/10, 08:00:34 PM
Most changes you guys suggested have been implemented. Thanks!
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Post by: kahouty on 03/14/10, 10:29:30 PM
Yeah lookin real good with the uniforms. I'll run through a few more games tonight and do some more testing, but I think this project is pretty close to a final. Thanks again for all the great work man!
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Post by: Turd on 03/14/10, 10:42:58 PM
Thanks, lookin forward to your feedback. BTW, did yiu sign up for the RPC yet? We should get a game in soon.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/14/10, 11:31:03 PM
Whats the RPC? Do tell.

Nm I see the thread. I'll check it out.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: kahouty on 03/15/10, 03:17:27 AM
Hey Turd,


Couple things I noticed which might need addressing and might not. Steven Strasburg and Aroldis Chapman on the rosters of the Nats and Reds. Theres also guys like Jason Heyward on the Braves that are almost guaranteed a spot on the roster out of spring training. (because they are tearing up the spring as rookies on teams that need a shot in the arm)

Odds are these guys will make their respective teams, and probably end up in a major role this year.


I know you mentioned doing an all star break version, so maybe these guys can wait til then.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/17/10, 07:57:12 AM
I am making this ROM official on Friday. Any chNges that don't get in by then will have to wait until the all-star break. I want to do a fantasy league with it and I need it to be solidified.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/19/10, 09:14:50 PM
The ROM is official.  Any changes will have to wait until the All-Star break.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: TβG on 03/20/10, 01:00:57 PM
where may we download the latest version?  you might also want to include it in the original post.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/20/10, 01:27:33 PM
Actually, it is in the first post...


"All downloads, rosters, release notes, etc can now be found at http://rbibaseball.us"

Let me know if you have troubles...
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Post by: TβG on 03/20/10, 03:08:55 PM
besides reading troubles?  i'll let you know...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/20/10, 03:33:30 PM
Just being polite :)
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Post by: EastVanApna on 03/28/10, 09:29:58 PM
Would love to play but Nestopia gives error message.
VirtuaNES runs fine but can't play online(haven't figured it out yet)!!!
Do you guys use any other emulator besides Nestopia?
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/28/10, 09:57:24 PM
Nestopia is the online emulator of choice these days. If you provide some more info about the errors, I can help. Here, or find me on IM. Glad to help.

Trust me, no other NES emulator is worth your time for netplay. 
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Post by: EastVanApna on 03/28/10, 10:33:24 PM
I am not very computer smart.
I run xp.
The error message reads:
IDirect3D9:Create Device()failed!Try updating video drivers!
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/28/10, 10:52:15 PM
Do you have an old video card?  Unfortunately, if you're not very computer literate, than this next tip might be wasted on you...seems like you need to update your video card drivers or install the latest version of directx on your machine...I've never heard of someone's computer not being able to run Nestopia before though, that's crazy!

Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you man...
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: EastVanApna on 03/29/10, 12:00:59 AM
Tried latest version of directx, still no luck.
I have googled this error message and others have had this problem too.
Thanx for your time Turd.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/29/10, 03:43:02 AM
If I think of anything, I'll let ya know. What kind of video card do you have?
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: EastVanApna on 03/29/10, 05:20:53 PM
Regular one that came with the Dell computer
Anyways I downloaded nestopia on my laptop, it works.
What rom do you play?
We should play sometime.
My AIM is EastVanApna.
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 03/29/10, 05:40:34 PM
I play all sorts! I play my 2010 ROM, the arcade ROM, the 26 team 1987 ROM, and the original. You should sign up for the RPC (click the image in my sig). I'd love to play sometime. Still tryi g to build a solid set of online players to one day play in a league. For now, it's just pickup games on the RPC and the eventual Fantasy RBI league. I'm on evenings after 10CST usually, depending on the kid situation. Find me on AIM (tecmoturd)
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Post by: BeefMaster on 03/29/10, 10:07:43 PM
I just noticed the logo in your sig - nicely done.
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Post by: Turd on 03/29/10, 10:27:30 PM
Thanks...I hoped it would stick out...guess it's not doing that so well :)
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Post by: Turd on 03/30/10, 11:38:35 AM
EastVanApna, I don't want to stop your computer issues from getting connected if we can help it.  I wasn't planning on staying up late last night so I couldn't dedicate my full efforts to figuring out your issues...I'd like to try again sometime, perhaps Wednesday if you're around...
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Post by: lrod4 on 04/02/10, 10:04:20 AM
TURD

Hey there

Did you see on the MLB channel they are doing a special with projected lineups and rotations.  They did the NL last night (Thursday) and they are doing the AL today (Friday).  It looks pretty interesting.

Just thought you would like to know.

Luke

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Post by: Turd on 04/02/10, 10:17:56 AM
Cool. I'll check it out, even though my ROM is locked in for now.
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Post by: lrod4 on 04/02/10, 10:55:15 AM
I understand.

Is the ROM on your page now any different that the one I DLed in mid Feburary?

Thanks again for all of your work.

Luke

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Post by: Turd on 04/02/10, 11:45:52 AM
Most definitely.  It went official 3/19, and last minute changes were made up until then.
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Post by: kahouty on 04/04/10, 07:50:49 PM
Yeah there were some surprise roster moves this past weekend, but tbh I don't think it will change much. These rosters/lineups are based on last years numbers and anything that changes can be addressed at the All Star break. Then a bunch of the rookies will be up and starting on quite a few teams.

As always, fantastic work Turd.
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Post by: BeefMaster on 04/05/10, 08:52:45 AM
Too lazy to look it up - did you change the error ratings for any teams, or are they all the same?
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Post by: Turd on 04/05/10, 09:14:27 AM
They are all 5
Title: Re: TecmoTurd's 2010 30 Team Rom - Download inside
Post by: Turd on 04/10/10, 09:57:26 AM
With the recent success of my coach K editor and realizing how easy WPF is for siting this stuff, I've decided to write an offline editor for the 30 team ROM. I plan to make the interface familiar to y'all. Not sure when this will start, but I'm now inspired!
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Post by: Turd on 09/19/10, 09:45:43 PM
As the end of the season approaches, I'm getting ready to start work on the final version of the 2010 ROM.  I've got a script ready to rip all the stats that I need to save me massive amounts of manual data entry, so when the last pitch is thrown, I'll be able to run that and have a base ROM (save for pitching, which I'll do all manually from the get go) ready to go.  From there, I'll be doing all sorts of tweaks...maybe I'll start a new thread, and the team experts can post their lineups and tweaks/requests, debate stuff, etc.

I'm hoping to really improve upon last year's ROM with better pitcher ratings, and hopefully even better batter/speed ratings.  I had a blast making it last year, and then having discussions with you all on the the board here, so I hope to repeat that again.  See ya in a few weeks...
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Post by: Turd on 10/01/10, 10:32:18 PM
I just got a new hack in from the man that you can use to make the away team use the home team's cap/bat color with their road grays, so no more sacrificing colors to get the right uniforms in place.   Just tested it out, and it's pretty cool...

I've attached it to here...it's basically my last update of 2010 ROM with this new hack in place...