With the success of the 1987 ROM, anyone want to do the same sort of project for the Arcade version? Best players in history for each team...might be kind of cool...
we would first need to agree on criteria for what teams guys play on. don baylor, for example, is a tough call. and do you want to include active players? i believe the original did include active players.
Yep...I don't even care how it goes, we can discuss all that. I just thought it would round out the set of cool community ROMs we have. If we can agree on some of those things, I'll setup the editor for it.
I just thought I'd dangle it out there to see what kind of interest there would be in this. My 2010 ROM will soon become official, so I won't be tweaking that so often.
you like to tweak, don'tcha? are you sure you're not from iowa instead wisconsin?
I could throw a Twins/Senators roster together in a matter of minutes. Hell, here's a rough draft:
Starting lineup:
Carew 2B
Mauer C
Puckett CF
Killebrew 3B
Hrbek 1B
Goslin LF
Oliva RF
Cronin SS
Bench (Morneau is a given, then pick three):
Morneau
Rice
Sievers
Gaetti
Hunter
Yost
Knoblauch
Johnson
Blyleven/Santana
Aguilera (Firpo Marberry would also be good here for a more retro flavor)
Nathan
Off the top of my head, here's an attempt at the Yankees (and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone):
Jeter SS
Mantle CF
Ruth RF
Gehrig 1B
DiMaggio LF (yeah, he was a CF, but this makes for a better lineup)
Berra C
Nettles 3B
Lazzeri 2B
Mattingly
Posada
BWilliams
Winfield
WFord
Gomez
Gossage
Rivera
Cripes, wasn't expecting this much of a response...I'll be "off" for tonight and tomorrow night, but when I'm back in business, I'll setup the editor. Those who are still interested can hop on and edit away...
We come with a standard criteria, best individual season or career? I say best individual season and make it a slugfest - whatever team you have the best year gets em
My friend and I were thinking about this a bit, I'd change up Sox and Yankees too...
RED SOX
Starters
SS: Garciaparra - R
3B: Boggs - L
OF: Williams - L
1B: Foxx - R
OF: Yaz - L
OF: Speaker - L
C: Fisk - R
2B: Doerr - R
Bench:
Ramirez - R
Cronin - R
Lynn - L
Rice - R
Rotation:
Pedro Martinez - R
Lefty Grove – L
Roger Clemens - R
Smokey Joe Wood - R (I guess you can put in Cy Young if you must)
CLOSER: Papelbon - R
YANKEES
Starting lineup
SS: Jeter - R
OF: DiMaggio - R
OF: Ruth - L
1B: Gehrig - L
3B: Rodriguez - R
OF: Mantle - R
C: Berra - L
2B: Lazzeri - R
Bench:
R. Jackson - L
Winfield - R
Dickey - R
Maris - L
Rotation:
Ford - L
Guidry - L
Ruffing - R
Hoyt - R
CLOSER - Mo Rivera - R
Rodriguez over Nettles is a good call - he's been with the Yanks for six years now, which is probably the low end of what I'd consider for an all-time team (same with Reggie, but he's generally recognized as a Yankee, so he probably also should make it).
Maris is a good choice, too, since he's so recognizable; I went more with sustained greatness, rather than single seasons, but that "61" is nice to see coming off the bench. I still like Mattingly over Dickey - more recognizable name, better overall offensive player (since there's no requirement for a backup catcher in RBI, and I might pick Posada over Dickey even if there was).
The last few rosters only have one reliever, unless you really want to count Waite Hoyt and Smokey Joe Wood as relievers - sure, they made relief appearances, but it was fairly common for starters to occasionally throw in relief between starts in that era, and they were primarily starting pitchers.
I'd probably put Mickey Cochrane over Terry Steinbach on the A's, and Lefty Gomez should at least be in the running for one of the pitcher slots.
Ryno picked exactly the roster I would've for the Cubs, other than that I probably wouldn't have thought to put Aramis Ramirez on the bench (not sure who I'd have picked, probably some useless old timer like Frank Chance; Aramis is a better choice).
Data for team 1 (Pittsburgh):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Wagner RHB .354 10 5 798 145
02 Madlck RHB .319 19 12 818 137
03 Clmnte RHB .357 23 8 889 136
04 Stargl LHB .295 48 28 962 124
05 Oliver LHB .308 19 20 822 126
06 Bonds LHB .261 25 39 813 140
07 Mzrwsk RHB .275 19 28 807 128
08 Pena RHB .301 15 20 801 134
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09 VnSlyk LHB .293 21 22 804 138
10 Hebner LHB .271 25 18 799 120
11 Trynor RHB .338 12 8 777 142
12 Stuart RHB .301 35 22 879 122
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
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01 Cndlra LHP 2.34 5 5 9 159 175 191 40 115 140
02 Friend RHP 2.34 7 11 7 149 162 184 44 113 143
03 Face RHP 1.88 14 7 3 155 174 190 20 114 142
04 Teklve RSP 1.64 14 5 3 150 172 182 18 116 139
Data for team 2 (Philadelphia):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Ashbrn LHB .344 4 10 757 142
02 Samuel RHB .272 28 32 821 140
03 Schmdt RHB .286 48 26 934 130
04 Lznski RHB .309 37 34 923 118
05 Stein LHB .386 40 9 906 130
06 Hayes LHB .305 19 16 798 128
07 Boone RHB .283 12 28 803 120
08 Bowa LHB .294 3 20 716 138
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09 Calisn LHB .262 32 28 851 128
10 Willms LHB .293 41 32 876 128
11 Ennis RHB .311 31 22 827 130
12 Maddox RHB .330 6 20 764 146
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Carltn LHP 1.97 8 5 11 178 188 208 44 114 143
02 Robrts RHP 2.59 4 13 8 155 168 192 48 113 140
03 Bedrsn RSP 2.83 3 8 7 145 170 197 15 114 139
04 McGraw LHP 1.46 4 9 12 160 174 190 18 116 142
Data for team 3 (Detroit):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Cobb LHB .420 8 0 797 149
02 Gibson LHB .287 29 20 868 138
03 Kaline RHB .340 27 16 894 128
04 Grnbrg RHB .315 58 20 975 126
05 Tramml RHB .343 28 9 836 138
06 Parrsh RHB .284 32 33 844 120
07 Whitkr LHB .279 21 25 814 132
08 Kell RHB .340 8 12 775 130
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09 DaEvns LHB .248 40 31 922 120
10 Cash LHB .361 41 22 946 120
11 Ghrngr LHB .371 14 5 794 132
12 Horton RHB .285 36 32 839 124
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Lolich LHP 3.27 12 3 6 144 175 199 40 141 143
02 Morris RHP 3.27 7 9 4 166 173 194 48 113 143
03 McLain RHP 1.96 4 8 5 146 162 190 20 116 140
04 Hrndez LHP 1.92 3 3 7 146 160 198 15 141 146
Data for team 4 (Minnesota):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Carew LHB .388 14 0 791 132
02 Pucket RHB .328 31 10 831 136
03 Oliva LHB .323 32 8 835 132
04 Klbrew RHB .270 34 34 937 128
05 Hrbek LHB .285 34 28 892 120
06 Gaetti RHB .287 34 28 871 130
07 Battey RHB .285 26 32 809 124
08 Smally LHB .271 24 32 804 128
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09 Allisn RHB .271 35 33 879 128
10 Brnsky RHB .259 32 34 873 130
11 Rice LHB .338 3 11 727 146
12 Sievrs RHB .301 42 30 882 126
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
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01 Johnsn RHP 2.72 3 9 4 164 182 215 48 110 145
02 Blylvn RHP 2.52 8 12 7 160 165 188 46 112 143
03 Viola LHP 3.21 6 4 9 153 173 194 20 114 141
04 Davis RHP 4.20 4 5 3 169 177 194 12 113 142
Data for team 5 (Milwauke):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Moltor RHB .353 16 4 808 138
02 Yount RHB .331 29 10 855 134
03 Cooper LHB .313 32 28 864 128
04 Ogilve LHB .304 41 32 911 126
05 Thomas RHB .244 45 46 942 120
06 Lzcano RHB .321 28 20 816 130
07 Gntner LHB .282 11 22 782 132
08 Moore RHB .301 1 20 747 122
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09 Deer RHB .232 33 48 919 120
10 Scott RHB .285 36 34 866 122
11 May LHB .303 25 26 809 126
12 Sveum LHB .252 25 36 799 128
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Hguera LHP 2.79 5 3 5 142 166 194 40 105 144
02 Cldwel LSP 2.36 11 4 8 138 166 180 40 115 142
03 Murphy RHP 1.90 2 10 4 176 181 193 16 111 116
04 Plesac LHP 2.61 5 3 8 170 184 195 16 112 143
Data for team 6 (Kansas City):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Wilson LHB .326 3 16 781 148
02 McRae RHB .308 27 18 831 140
03 Brett LHB .390 24 0 857 134
04 Mybery LHB .291 34 25 866 126
05 Otis RHB .298 22 22 816 146
06 White RHB .272 22 27 808 136
07 Porter LHB .291 20 27 806 128
08 Wshgtn LHB .286 10 32 788 140
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09 Blboni RHB .243 36 46 936 120
10 Trtbul RHB .309 34 26 839 130
11 Jacksn RHB .235 32 46 901 144
12 Seitzr RHB .323 15 12 794 130
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Sbrhgn RSP 2.87 8 11 5 154 169 185 40 113 143
02 Leonrd RHP 3.04 4 7 3 146 173 195 40 113 143
03 Lebrnt LHP 2.69 6 3 6 140 161 182 20 110 115
04 Qsnbry RSP 1.94 13 10 5 134 158 183 20 114 141
Data for team 7 (Baltimore):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Blair RHB .285 26 30 812 140
02 Ripken RHB .318 27 18 864 132
03 Murray LHB .316 32 15 909 126
04 Powell LHB .290 39 32 927 118
05 Robnsn RHB .317 28 18 852 134
06 Sngltn LHB .295 35 26 849 135
07 Trndos RHB .245 30 46 821 122
08 Grich RHB .263 19 32 806 138
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09 Gntile LHB .302 46 28 928 120
10 Buford LHB .282 15 28 799 142
11 DCincs RHB .286 28 28 861 132
12 Dmpsey RHB .254 12 34 782 122
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Palmer RHP 2.09 5 10 5 146 166 204 44 114 142
02 McGrgr LHP 3.18 4 4 10 133 161 186 40 112 143
03 Paige RHP 3.07 11 8 4 136 160 193 21 139 147
04 Aase RHP 2.98 3 5 2 170 170 188 12 113 141
Data for team 8 (Chicago Sox):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Aprcio RHB .272 6 27 777 146
02 Minoso RHB .320 19 15 806 140
03 Jacksn LHB .382 12 4 813 142
04 Allen RHB .308 38 24 924 138
05 Melton RHB .269 33 34 888 122
06 Baines LHB .304 19 18 819 128
07 Lollar RHB .273 20 30 794 122
08 Fox LHB .317 6 24 789 136
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09 Kittle RHB .254 35 42 897 123
10 Cldern RHB .293 28 35 844 134
11 Applng RHB .388 6 2 798 136
12 Lemon RHB .318 17 28 801 138
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Pierce LHP 1.97 5 4 8 155 172 197 40 114 143
02 Lyons RHP 2.84 12 10 8 137 161 182 44 112 143
03 Wlhelm RHP 1.99 15 9 8 136 160 173 25 111 116
04 Thgpen RHP 2.73 4 6 3 154 168 204 12 111 141
Data for team 9 (Montreal):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Raines LHB .330 18 18 822 146
02 Brooks RHB .340 14 14 806 132
03 Vlntne RHB .293 25 26 824 136
04 Carter RHB .293 29 26 867 128
05 Staub LHB .302 29 18 856 128
06 Parrsh RHB .307 30 25 846 124
07 Glraga RHB .305 13 20 798 124
08 Law RHB .273 12 32 771 124
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09 Bailey RHB .287 28 26 821 132
10 Wallch RHB .298 26 24 829 128
11 Jrgnsn LHB .261 18 32 796 132
12 Webstr LHB .281 15 30 767 138
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Mrtinz RSP 3.30 8 11 7 150 173 193 40 140 146
02 Glcksn RHP 3.75 7 11 8 164 171 186 44 141 146
03 Burke RHP 1.19 12 4 2 170 170 187 16 112 141
04 Reardn RHP 2.06 5 7 5 148 179 199 15 113 141
Data for team 10 (Clevland):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Lajoie RHB .384 4 3 760 144
02 Bdreau RHB .355 18 8 804 136
03 Colvto RHB .303 41 28 942 126
04 Trosky LHB .343 42 17 906 122
05 Carter RHB .302 29 32 852 140
06 Doby LHB .276 32 32 858 136
07 Fosse RHB .307 18 21 796 124
08 Jacoby RHB .300 32 30 812 126
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09 Rosen RHB .336 43 26 909 128
10 Thortn RHB .271 33 38 858 128
11 Hall LHB .296 18 29 792 138
12 Averil LHB .333 32 22 827 126
<Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
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01 Feller RHP 2.18 4 10 6 148 186 212 50 115 142
02 Wynn RHP 2.73 11 7 3 138 172 186 40 113 140
03 Lemon RHP 2.50 12 8 4 170 170 185 20 142 146
04 Spilnr RHP 2.49 4 6 3 162 174 183 12 112 143
10 teams above from the Arcade 2 ROM would need to be updated because they cut off at 1987, Royals and Pirates might be the same
Wow, good stuff. We'd barely need to do any work here...
One update for the Pirates would be that Bonds would become awesome, getting his '90-'92 seasons added. Van Slyke would probably improve for the same reason. Jason Kendall should probably knock Tony Pena out of the catcher spot, and Brian Giles might get a bench spot.
Expos/Nationals would get a boost - they'd gain access to 90s guys like Vlad, Pedro, and Larry Walker, and since I assume we're allowing the same player on multiple teams (too hard to avoid with 30 teams), they could have Dawson as well.
Other potential post-'87 additions I can think offhand (obviously, not all of them would make the cut):
Philly - Rollins, Utley, Howard, Hamels, Kruk, Dykstra, Daulton
ChiSox - Konerko, Ordonez, Thomas
Indians - Baerga, Alomar (both), Manny, Belle, Thome, Sabathia
MOntreal NEEDS to have Wallach in the starting lineup. I think he has the franchise record for hits or something.
Vladdy should probably take Ellis Valentine's place in the line up as well.
Admittedly, I was not expecting the participation for this, but I'll try to get something setup in the editor soon...then anyone without a login I'll setup so they can start entering information...
Oh yeah...Dawson needs to be on the Expos, not the Cubs. He played longer as an Expo and they have less players to draw from. The Cubs would still be fine without Dawson.
i would vote for a player to only appear on one team. i would also think vladdy would also be an expo as opposed to an angel.
I see no reason why a player should be limited to one team - allowing them on multiple teams makes the all-time teams more accurate (Jimmy Foxx is legitimately the best first baseman ever for both the Red Sox and A's, for example), and it would prevent the post-1990 expansion teams from being even more useless than they already are. I don't know that it's any worse for Andre Dawson to catch his own fly ball than for that ball to have been initially pitched by Three Finger Brown, who died before Dawson was born - it's not like all-time teams are a realistic simulation.
If that's the case, then why limit them to one roster spot on each team? If Mark McGwire's '98 and '99 seasons were two of the best ever for the Cards, why not have McGwire coming off the bench as well as starting at first base?
agree, I like no duplicates to get as many different players in as possible
i'd like to hear the arguments on a case-by-case basis with maybe some voting or something on the team for them to be on. i think in some ways it's a little lazy and too convenient to select dawson for the marlins or boggs on the tampa bay rays. why not just have the best available guy? at least they get some play and you never know how useful they could be in RBI.
I see both sides...I don't mind having duplicates of players, but that could get a little nutty because The A's fan wants McGwire and so does the Cardinals fan...
I'll leave it up to you guys to decide. Put it to vote or something...I'm just the webmaster for this project...
Rickey Henderson played for the A's on 4 separate occassions so he shold play all the OF spots and come off the bench.