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has anyone ever done this without a player fuck-up..a flat out inside the park dinger?  My buddy said he did it with coleman against the computer(houston)..here's how it went down.........Coleman hits a moonshot dead center which hits off the top of the wall, it bounces back onto the feild which rolls slightly until the center fielder picks it up and slow throws it to the relay man(2nd baseman) by this time coleman's blazing around third, cutoff guy throws to home and coleman milliseconds beats the throw!

I think he's full off shit....can anyone else verify this?

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I'd have to say he's full of shit. Unless a bonk or a throw to the wrong base occurred, I really can't see it happening.

Another thing, how did this thread have 120 views already?

It's hard to say. Coleman is fast, a couple of slow throws?  What probably happened was, the throw from CF was coming into 3B, he said it was "cutoff" so we can assume the SS got it, I guess, but that is still a long throw, it is just a question of whether you can consider this legit or if any ITPHR against the CPU can be considered legit.

They will always throw to 3rd if you haven't gotten there yet which means with Coleman you can then beat any play home.  I've certainly had ITP HR against the CPU where the guy scored before the 3B even received the throw, but I can't remember if the hit was just some BS ground ball that no one fielded.

Yeah, today i hit an inside the park homer with Billy Hatcher of Houston.  It was a BS slow ground ball up the middle that no one fielded.  It rolled past the pitcher and then past the CF who had to chase it to the fence. EZ home run.  

I don't think a real inside the park is legit, it can only happen if someone messes up a fielding play or throws to the wrong base.  I can't see any hit that will be an inside-the-parker everytime...

Of course in real baseball MLB, most ITP HR, are from someone falling down or misplaying the ball also, so again, it's up to you what you consider legit.

Even the described scenario isn't a "true" ITP, in the sense that if it were played perfectly, no way it happens.  I get ITPs all of the time on slow grounders through the infield, which are basically impossible to field correctly and avoid the ITP unless the defender assumes the infield has no shot immediately and sends his outfielders straight for the ball.

Quote from: Dryden on 07/15/04, 11:56:04 AM
Even the described scenario isn't a "true" ITP, in the sense that if it were played perfectly, no way it happens.  I get ITPs all of the time on slow grounders through the infield, which are basically impossible to field correctly and avoid the ITP unless the defender assumes the infield has no shot immediately and sends his outfielders straight for the ball.

You're talking about against CPU or another human, no way another human should give up an ITP HR if they have any clue how to play.

This is true.  There's no excuse for a human opponent to give up an ITP.  In our drinking game it's an automatic finish.

I get them all the time against the computer.  The dribbler with eyes up the middle is usually the culprit and Vince or Lopes always come through.
Against a human opponent I don't see how it's possible.

I don't think it's possible to have a 100% legit ITP - human or comp.
But who doesn't love the balls that roll down the foul line and into the stands? Gary Carter hit one for me last night. It never fails to demoralize the other team. The great thing is, everyone knows about the glitches and loves them, even when they don't go their way (ie, the through the wall HR I gave up the game before that).

I disagree with mostly everyone here.  Though this case is very rare, it happens:

If the ball is hit very hard while traveling slowly and the outfielder thinks it's gonna be really close to a homer, then the outfielder will opt for the extreme run-in technique (he won't shimmy at all - he'll strictly run in).  At this point, like I said in rare cases, the outfielder is so far away from the ball by the time the ball bounces off the wall.  By the time he gets to the ball, it's impossible to get the runner out.

I don't consider that a true inside the park homer.  The fielder chose to run so far away from the ball that it cannot be retrieved.  Perhaps it would have left the park without an extreme run-in but you never know...

That being said this does happen with us...

This whole question depends on what you consider a player "fuck-up"

How about this scenario against the CPU:

You have to have a very fast runner and he hits the ball well to right centre field.  By the time the fielder picks up the ball, you are on your way to 3B.  The fielder throws it to 3B, but is cut off by the second baseman.  Second baseman throws home and its too late.  Both throws are fairly shitty in nature. And while it isn't in a direct straight line to home, its not that far off the ideal line.  With the second baseman cuting it off, its essentially just a relay throw from Right centre to the second baseman to homeplate.  To me, thats an ITP without a player fuck-up.   Thoughts?

I would consider a "true" ITP homer one where if you got 10 chances to prevent the player from scoring on the exact same hit, you could not do it.  And to me none of the above have qualified...

I'd say for my criteria, if you got the exact same hit 10 times and a human trying to prevent the ITP HR allowed 4 (pretend it takes basically 2 perfect throws and perfect retrieval to nail him at home), then I'd say it's legit.  I'm not sure there is a hit that could accomplish this, but if there is, it would be by Coleman.

The only semi-legit In the park homerun is when the ball bounces over the centerfielder's head.  I say that because sometimes it's hard to know whether to charge or hang back.  But either way I'd say it's an impossible feat without some kind of misplay by the fielder.

It's legit if Vince hits an in-between blooper and the centerfielder can't charge it and tries to hang back and the ball bounces up and over his head.

If any fielder lets a ball bounce over his head that is a misplay and IMHO the ITP is not legit...

Quote from: Gantry on 07/15/04, 02:40:12 PM
If any fielder lets a ball bounce over his head that is a misplay and IMHO the ITP is not legit...

Sure it's a misplay but shit happens.  Well, maybe it isn't legit.
I think the chance of an ITPH increases exponentially with drinks consumed.

Ive played at least over 1,000 gms in my RBI career and never hit a legit IPHR!  It can't be done unless there's a player fuck up!

I agree 110%

Alright I have done this against a human with Vince Coleman... this may sound like shitty play, and granted it wasn't his finest moment, but my friend is actually very, very good... what happened was i hit one of those awkward, once-every-100+ games hits, that floats down the rightfield line at the EXACT same speed at which your runner is going down to first... this makes it very difficult to figure out where the ball is going, until vince turned for second... at this point his rightfielder was in-line with the ball, but not in far enough... the ball hit the ground, and took a high hop into foul territory... by the time he ran it down (up against the wall down the 1B line) Vince was at third.. a mediocre throw home was not enough to get Vince at the plate... in my opinion there wasn't anything he could have done to get me, as he played the ball as well as possible... it was hit into a really awkward spot, took a tough bounce, and i had the fastest man in the game cruising around the basepaths... it really isn't as impossible as some may think, although I do feel it HAS to be with vince..

if your gonna hit one thats the perfect guy to do it with it.....vince "the big neck" coleman

I wrote about this in another thread, but:

Against the computer, you can get an inside-the-park home run with a three-quarters swing bunt; often, it'll roll all the way to the wall, VERY slowly, and the third baseman and left fielder just run past it.

With Vince Coleman and Davy Lopes, I've also seen these hit against the computer when there's a runner on first... The first baseman will be holding the runner, and some obscenely slow grounders can get through. Usually a home run comes when Vince is already about a foot from third base and the idiot right fielder throws to third anyway; by the time another fielder gets his hands on the ball, he's scored long ago.

Oh yeah, there's basically no excuse for an nside-the-park home run if you're playing 2-player.

i agree, you should be hanged naked and whipped to death with a jump rope if you have an IPHR hit against you by the computer/human!!!!!!!!!!

when ever I ever get one its the ole half swing/bunt that gets past the 2nd baseman but is traveling at the same speed as him so since he is always the closest one to the ball he chases it all the way to the wall and even with no wheels Dave Henderson you should be able to get the ITP home run

Quote from: malnuboy on 08/02/04, 09:11:25 PM
... and even with no wheels Dave Henderson you should be able to get the ITP home run

One question: Why would you ever be bunting with Dave Henderson? That's some real short bus stuff.

probably falls under the fuck up category, but if ya play the computer and bunt the ball down the third base line you can get an inside the parker about one outta ten bunts.  the third baseman covers third and doesnt move, the pitcher chases the ball out in to the outfield because the ball is closest to him the whole time until it hits the wall.  by then the left fielder picks up the ball and throws it in, but by then it's too late....maybe even too late when armas is running.  i'm sure someone pointed this out, but i'm new here....so i dunno...   cya

Quote from: capt_taco on 08/03/04, 01:39:04 AM

Quote from: malnuboy on 08/02/04, 09:11:25 PM
... and even with no wheels Dave Henderson you should be able to get the ITP home run

One question: Why would you ever be bunting with Dave Henderson? That's some real short bus stuff.

I would never bunt with the clutch power hitting Henderson but its one of those deals when you don't want to swing and you kind of half tap the button

Also, there is a way for a legit ITPH, in my opinion...if you give up a bomb to a fast guy (doesn't even have to be Vince) and pull it back...every once in awhile, the guy will still make it around the bases...I know I've had this happen with Gibson before.

Good point JoeD, but I still have trouble giving credit.  It's not an legit inside the parker if it would be a normal dinger.  In this case, you personally made it an inside the park homer instead of a regular homer.  Perhaps I'm stubborn on this issue...