Lately I've reading tables from different baseball gms (8 & 16 bit era), just trying to draw some parralels. One I found interesting was stamina from RBI to RBI 3 to RBI 94.
In RBI starters are generally 40 (some higher as high as 54) and relivers 15 (give or take).
RBI 3 it's 48 for starters (some higher as high as 54) and relievers 15.
RBI 94 is completely different with starters at 90 and relivers at 17 and some at 55.
After watching youtube videos (moreso skipping through), I noticed that CPU starters in RBI 94 last longer/go deeper into games than their RBI/RBI 3 counterparts, and was interested in knowng how and why? This even prompted me to play RBI 94 (which I had never played a full game until a couple of weeks ago). And starters do go deeper all the way into 7th and 8th consistently, and sometimes the 9th, which is unheard of RBI/RBI 3 where CPU starters are done after 4 innings.
I have no idea how their (RBI 94) stamina works though. World Series Baseball's (Genesis) stamina is straight forward as most starters start with 250 (some 200, relivers 75-150 depending on long man/reliever/closer). And each pitch takes off 1-4 pts depending on what pitch you throw. For instance you pick a pitch (fastball, slider, cureve, split etc.) and speed (slow, med, fast). So a slow fastball maybe 1 pt and a fast fastbal maybe 3 pts. After each pitch go to the bullpen and see how much stamina the pitcher has left, as it documents it as the game goes along. I have a breakdown of every pitch/speed if anyone wants it.
RBI 94 only has a stamina bar (not a # like WSB) so I can't guage what pitch does what. But I found it interesting that CPU pitcher went deeper into games and want to why? And hopefully there's a way to incorporate it in RBI/RBI 3. I know some were talking about a hack at what # a CPU player will attempt a SB, I was wondering if there was something like that regarding how long pitchers (starters) stay in games.
There's a thread on here somewhere that details how the substitution process works for RBI 1...basically it's a combo of IP + whatever the score situation is in the 4th, and I think the 8th inning, something like that.
Well if the stamina #s are that much higher on RBI 94 and they use a similar method as the earlier RBIs, that pretty much explains it.
RBI 1 stamina is -1 for every normal pitch, -2 for every fastball or slowball.
Quote from: Turd on 05/25/12, 08:10:36 AM
There's a thread on here somewhere that details how the substitution process works for RBI 1...basically it's a combo of IP + whatever the score situation is in the 4th, and I think the 8th inning, something like that.
I've always hated that about RBI1, when CPU substites hitters, it just takes the 1st hitter off the bench almost disregarding, pitcher, situation etc. Do you happen to know the title of said thread?
Quote from: Gantry on 05/25/12, 11:41:50 AM
Well if the stamina #s are that much higher on RBI 94 and they use a similar method as the earlier RBIs, that pretty much explains it.
RBI 1 stamina is -1 for every normal pitch, -2 for every fastball or slowball.
I've never played RBI 94 that much as I was never a fan of the Genesis versions. RBI 3 is almost like RBI 1 except the avg stamina for a starter is 48 (rather than 40). Actually I never played a full game (9 innings) of RBI 94 until 2-3 weeks ago. I figure with 90 stamina, I should throw complete gms with ease, but around the 7th, my starters seem to tire in the 2-3 gms I've played. But I'm gonna play it again, today or tomorrow and I'll track the pitches (mine & CPU) and let you know my findings.
I've always liked Sports Talk Baseball and World Series Baseball pitching stamina (both on the Genesis) as you can use how ever many starters/pitchers you want, but it drains their bar. For instance if a starter gos 7-8 innings it will drain his bar. But if you want to use him in the following game you can, but his stamina bar will be very small, meaning he likely won't even see the 3rd. It takes a couple of games or so for him to get back to full strength.
WSB pitchers have 250 stamina, and goin 7-8 innings will usually have you at about 50 give or take. Pitchers regain about 30-35 pts each day. So it takes 4 days or so to get back to full strength, like a real baseball rotation. For anyon who cares.....
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL - All Versions (Genesis)F = Fast, M= Med, S = Slow
Fastball
F=3
M=3
S=1
Curveball
F=3
M=3
S=1
Changeup
F=2
M=1
S=1
Slider
F=4
M=3
S=1
Split
F=4
M=4
S=3
Screwball
F=3
M=3
S=1
Knuckle
F=3
M=1
S=1
Each pitcher has 3 pitches. Anyway next I want to see how Bad News Baseball (NES) does stamina in relation to RBI, as their starters have 210-230 and relievers about 100 or so.
Just ran a quick game and the Big Homie would be correct (-1 normal left/right, -2 fastball/split up/down) is the same format used in RBI 94.
From my notes....
Welch, OAK - 96 total in 7 IP, his stamina bar was empty at the 82 mark (was throwing in the mid 60's when he left the game)
Maddux, ATL - 78 total in 7 IP and his stamina bar was all but empty when they went to the bullpen
What's fucked up is in the 5th I had Weiss on the 3rd and Henderson on 1st, with Lansford at the plate and attempted to steal second with Rickey. Somehow the ball ended up down the first base line in foul territory over by the crowd, Weiss scored as did Henderson who came all the way around. Rickey did not get credited with a SB, there was on error on the play (scoreboard and final box score showed that), but Lansford was credited with 2 RBI, and was the game MVP. Also pitchers batting stats are not shown in the box score.
Game MVP should've been....
R. Henderson, 3 for 5, 2B, R, RBI, SB or Welch 7 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 14 K (the BB was a hit batter)
If you care I won 5-3 (90 Oak vs 93 Atl), I was cruising 5-1 into the 8th when Todd Burns gave up a 2 run HR to Justice, but Eckersley shut it down in the 9th. In total I struck out 18 batters.
What I've learned is....
-why I never liked any of the Genesis versions of RBI (though the box score at the end of RBI 94 was nice)
-they swing and miss more in RBI 94 forcing you to throw more pitches than RBI/RBI 3 (NES)
-Rickey Henderson as in real life was an animal in every version of RBI he was in
Now I want to see Bad News Baseball (NES) and WSB/WSB 2 (Saturn) in terms of contact/stamina.