Rating pitchers is a fickle, pain in the ass process. Therefore, I started thinking of a better way to rate pitchers for the updated ROMs. My idea was to give pitchers the ratings from a similar player from the original ROM. This way, they stay within the original ratings (something I like to strive for), and they are easier to apply to a player.
My idea was to separate them into two categories, SP, and RP. Then for each group, rate the originals on a grading scale of A - D or A - F, whatever seemed appropriate.
Then, when rating the pitchers for the new ROM, I'd determine if I thought they were A - D or F (f that extra grade is needed) and give them their curve ratings.
Because I like to rate for curve style play, with one SP per game (straight pitch makes the pitcher's curve useless), I think for this to work, their effectiveness needs to be measured under the following conditions:
- Stamina is not considered (this will be rated in IP/G)
- Some new player profiles could be added for fastball pitchers (make their curve speed fast so they don't have to use their actual fastball speed which wastes two stamina points)
- Handedness shouldn't matter much
- Not sure if A, B, C, D are good enough? Are there any pitchers on the game who warrant an F? Perhaps we could create a new pitcher profile for F type pitchers and players with no pitching history and no hype to project their effectiveness on.
I searched the forum and found this:
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=647.msg6254#msg6254 (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=647.msg6254#msg6254)
And found the link referred to in the wayback machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030707195447/http://rbichampion.com/gregs_rbi_site_031.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20030707195447/http://rbichampion.com/gregs_rbi_site_031.htm)
Anyone care to weigh in on this idea and/or offer rankings? If I get more than one submission I'll merge them together.
Actually, now that I think of it, I don't think we need to rank them all...we just need a few different profiles:
A - Elite - great movement both ways, Tudor-esque
B - Good, effective pitcher, maybe good movement dominant hand, not great the other
C - Middle of the road pitcher, maybe ok movement, average movement both sides
D - Below average - average movement on dominant hand, poor movement the other
F - Poor - poor movement both ways
Then for each I could adjust manually for guys who throw a good fastball, and also rate sinker ability based on their grade A - F
A = 10
B = 8
C = 4
D = 2
F = 1
Something like that.
Also, another point of discussion:
Which would you prefer for RC, LC ratings:
12,7 (Krukow) or
10,9 (Reushl)
I'd probably go with Reuschel - that allows you to play both sides of home plate, so you can nibble the corners against a hitter in either box. From playing online against JoeDirt a couple times several years ago, I got the impression that working the outside corner is the key to effective pitching - you simply can't reach a ball just off that corner, while working the inside corner leaves you open to a guy backing up in the box and getting the bat on it.
Thanks for the reply beef. It's difficult to even put them into categories like this. Struggling to find guys with profiles like:
Elite
Elite with heat
Good
Average
Poor
Quote from: Turd on 06/12/12, 03:56:08 PM
Elite
Elite with heat
Good
Average
Poor
Ive always considered guys like Gooden, Clemens, and Ryan as good pitchers...but not elite. Bob Stanley and Rick Sutcliffe have virtually identical movement as those guys minus throwing as hard..especially Stanley. Come to think of it, there really isn't an elite with heat type pitcher. Tudor is as close as it gets, and he probably tops out at under 95MPH.
Without any real thought...the elite are
Tudor
Krukow
Rueschel
Fernando..and the last 3 at times are 50/50 in the elite category. SF's pitchers don't bring the heat. Fernando at times is too damn hard to control.
RBI is much more dominated with "Good" pitchers than anything else...with a very fine line on average. Don Sutton seems to be the epitome of average. As you suggested in the email, it would be a good project to sit down and map out for the site. I'll work on it a little.
I think elite with heat is a profile that might need to be concocted...regardless, thanks for the feedback.
Blyleven's extra stamina is huge, especially in 1 SP