I figured since we didn't get a preseason ROM released, we could start a new conversation about the 2013 Preseason ROM. With some nice utilities in place and a little help, perhaps we'll actually get a ROM out the door this year, eh Steve?
It's that time of year again to get excited about baseball. Hopefully we've got some fun stuff for you in store this year for the 2013 Dee-Nee ROM (see the attached image!). This year, I've enlisted some help to potentially sell a few of these ROMs on carts (with a label and box) to get them to people who prefer to play on the actual NES hardware. Looks like we have about 3-5 people interested thus far, please contact me if you think you'd be interested. Here's the info from our other post on this concept:
1.) Would you be interested? We'd like to know how many copies would be required
2.) We're looking at about $50-55 shipped. This covers getting the ROM burned, shipping, high quality label/box, etc.
The ROM would be a base 30-team ROM with all the basic hacks, and a full stat-roster will be posted. I'm thinking that if someone wanted to make minor tweaks to a ROM (increase their favorite player's stats or something) we could accomodate that, but we'd have to keep this on the small scale so we're not spending time making a completely new ROM. We would also allow the ability to order the juiced CPU ROM instead of the regular ROM.
The ROM would still be made available as a free download on the forum, this would strictly be a service for people who want a cart but don't have donor carts or don't want to go through the process of handling that on their own.
P.S. Noone is using this to fund their kid's college or anything, it's mostly to cover time and supply expenses.
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Ok, that fun news out of the way, here's our release plan:
Post lineups and let people provide feedback
Run them through my rater, tweak ratings where necessary
Post the entire roster sheet exported in a nice to read format
Make any ratings revisions
Take cart orders + Post downloadable ROM.
I've attached the preliminary projected lineups for this year's ROM. Please provide feedback if you're an expert on a team, if I missed someone because they are out due to injury, etc.
In case you miss it in the above post, here's the link to the rosters:
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28616.0;attach=25645 (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28616.0;attach=25645)
Twins comments:
Scott Diamond should have one of the starter spots - he was their best starter last year and is the favorite for Opening Day, barring injury. Worley is probably as good a pick as anyone else for the #2 spot... the Twins' rotation is basically a large pile of suck.
I don't know that Clement is likely to make the team. I would be more likely to put Brian Dozier in the last bench spot, and that's assuming he doesn't end up as the starter at second base. Escobar also might not make the final roster, particularly if Dozier ends up starting and makes Carroll the utility infielder.
The real wild card is the starting center fielder and leadoff man (and, by extension, the bench outfielder). Gardy's been vocal about wanting Aaron Hicks, one of the team's top prospects, to win the job, although the Twins could buy an extra year of team control if they keep him in the minors until June. If Hicks wins the job, Mastroianni is the fourth outfielder, and your RBI bench is Florimon (who looks like he'll be the starting SS), Butera, Mastroianni, Dozier/Carroll. Gardy's also made it known that he would like the team to sign Jim Thome as a bench bat, which they do have the roster space for.
My guess is that Plouffe hits in the batting order ahead of Doumit and Parmelee, but I'm not completely sure about that.
for the phillies i think Nix might end up in the minors, hes batting like .067 this spring or something. i think mayberry might have the chance at the starting position with ruf on the bench or in triple A if he doesnt start hitting the ball. they had high hopes for him but he is playing like shit
Thanks guys. Any help is appreciated.
Good catch with Giambi on Bench for Indians. I just saw this article today: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/03/jason-giambi-likely-to-make-indians-25-man-roster/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/03/jason-giambi-likely-to-make-indians-25-man-roster/)
Red Sox lineup looks good, though the 7-9 hitters might switch around (a small, relatively unimportant matter). I think Dempster is their #3 SP after Lester and Buchholz, but he's as good of a choice as Buchholz.
Love that A-rod is off the NYY team! #allRedSoxFansCheer :thumbsup:
Put me down for at least one copy of the new cartridge
Anyone have any more lineup help? Vegas sent me some of his list too, I'll be wading through that as well so that I can finalize them and start rating...
I would easily trade out Mike minor for Kris medlen. I obviously would rather see mccann in place of laird. But with his shoulder injury he can't start. Hopefully he will be active sooner than later. But yeah, definitely need medlen in there. Thanks.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 03/05/13, 03:29:30 PM
The real wild card is the starting center fielder and leadoff man (and, by extension, the bench outfielder). Gardy's been vocal about wanting Aaron Hicks, one of the team's top prospects, to win the job, although the Twins could buy an extra year of team control if they keep him in the minors until June. If Hicks wins the job, Mastroianni is the fourth outfielder, and your RBI bench is Florimon (who looks like he'll be the starting SS), Butera, Mastroianni, Dozier/Carroll. Gardy's also made it known that he would like the team to sign Jim Thome as a bench bat, which they do have the roster space for.
Hicks went 4-5 with three homers today (after leading off the game with a homer yesterday). I have a feeling he may have won the starting center field job.
Can, if you feel McCann is more representative of the team, lets put him on there. This is supposed to be fun, right?
Beef, gimme an adjusted lineup and I'll make it so.
I am interested. Just have to convince myself to pony up the $50 for a game I won't play much
Quote from: Turd on 03/07/13, 09:03:26 PM
Can, if you feel McCann is more representative of the team, lets put him on there. This is supposed to be fun, right?
Beef, gimme an adjusted lineup and I'll make it so.
Awesome. That would be great. Thank you.
Best guess for the Twins:
Hicks
Dozier
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Plouffe
Parmelee
Doumit (DH)
Florimon
Mastroianni
Carroll
Butera (although they might sign a bat who you could put here instead; I'm still hoping for JIM THOME)
Diamond
Worley (although Correia is more likely to be healthy, I think)
Burton
Perkins
Most likely changes are last bench spot (if it's Escobar, he's not going to be much better offensively than Butera), second base (Dozier is no guarantee), and starting pitchers (if there's an injury). I'm also hoping that, if Dozier makes the team, they'll dump him down in the order and move everyone else up, but Gardy loves Mauer in the #3 spot and has a weird thing for hitting middle infielders #2, so I don't know how likely that is.
Thanks, Beef. Cannelizer, give me what your updated roster would look like (removing as much bias as possible).
I like this order. Honestly, I think its a toss up between Johnson and Francisco, maybe they will even share the playing time. If it were my world I would go with Francisco, only because he is a returning Bravo. That doens't necessarily mean he is the better choice. It's a bias, haha. Do what you will in that case.
ATL
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1. Andrelton Simmons
2. Jason Heyward
3. Justin Upton
4. Freddie Freeman
5. B.J. Upton
6. Brian McCann
7. Dan Uggla
8. Juan Francisco/Chris Johnson
9. Chris Johnson/Juan Francisco
10. Ramiro Pena
11. Reed Johnson
12. Jordan Schafer
-=Pitchers=-
13. Tim Hudson
14. Kris Medlen
15. Jonny Venters
16. Craig Kimbrel
Cool...got these updated. Looking for any more feedback...
Love seeing DJ Dozier. Hell of a running back
Concerning the Braves, as much as I am a fan of Venters, I feel Eric O'Flaherty would be more representative than Venters. E.O'F came off a record 2011 and a dominant 2012. Venters was great in 2011, but struggled mightily last year. For the majority of the season, O'Flaherty was the dedicated 8th Inning Setup guy. Other than that, Lineup looks pretty good, but I might think adding Gerald Laird instead of Ramiro Pena - Pena might not make the bench, but Laird will be all but guaranteed a spot most all year, even once McCann is back healthy. And definitely Medlen instead of Minor.
Red Sox lineup looks like it's fairly representative, maybe swap Ortiz and Victorino. It's all speculation given the drama with Ortiz at the moment, though.
Quote from: mrw874 on 03/09/13, 01:56:32 PM
Concerning the Braves, as much as I am a fan of Venters, I feel Eric O'Flaherty would be more representative than Venters. E.O'F came off a record 2011 and a dominant 2012. Venters was great in 2011, but struggled mightily last year. For the majority of the season, O'Flaherty was the dedicated 8th Inning Setup guy. Other than that, Lineup looks pretty good, but I might think adding Gerald Laird instead of Ramiro Pena - Pena might not make the bench, but Laird will be all but guaranteed a spot most all year, even once McCann is back healthy. And definitely Medlen instead of Minor.
Red Sox lineup looks like it's fairly representative, maybe swap Ortiz and Victorino. It's all speculation given the drama with Ortiz at the moment, though.
Pena is faster and hits for contact. Of course Laird is going to be on the bench cause hes the backup catcher. For RBI purposes I would rather bat Pena then Laird. Good call on O'Flaherty. I like him over venters.
I actually toiled between venters and oflaherty too...I'll throw in EOF...
I'm not getting anymore feedback other than a few comments here or there, so I'll start rating these guys this week...only difficult part is pitcher speed, but shouldn't be too bad.
Just a small insignificant progress update, still updating pitcher speeds, got about 1/3 of them done...
Thanks for the work you are doing. Can't wait for the finished rom! More exciting than a MLB opening day game.
Ortiz is DH, Napoli is 1b salty at C. What's the issue? (I forget if pitcher has to hit).
Agreed about buchholz, he's their number 2 sp.... Not mention he's been great this spring.
And please do not delay it until all star. One coud argue that it can always be modified. How great would it be for this to be out before opening day! RBI Nation sits with fingers crossed.
Quote from: ShitPaw on 03/14/13, 10:38:05 PM
Red Sox Roster: Napoli and Ortiz can't be in the same lineup. Salty will be the starting catcher, so he needs to be switched with either Napoli or Ortiz.
Also, Buchholz (sp?) needs to be in there over Dumpster (sp?).
As a suggestion for more work on your part and further benefit on our part, I'd suggest building the All-Star Roster and releasing the final product after the break. This would also allow for more representative lineups and attributes for players for the 2013 season, rather than just the regular opening day rosters.
Must have been the cold meds. that's my only excuse (about the pitchers). BTW did you only look at the BoSox for that issue. When I was helping submit lineups for AL teams I left the DH in rather than putting him in the 1st slot on the bench. I bet Turd caught my brain fart, but might be worth double checking.
Quote from: ShitPaw on 03/14/13, 11:21:19 PM
VEGAS, I don't hate you, but I have to post this.
Quote from: VEGAS on 03/14/13, 11:02:57 PM
Ortiz is DH, Napoli is 1b salty at C. What's the issue? (I forget if pitcher has to hit).
Agreed about buchholz, he's their number 2 sp.... Not mention he's been great this spring.
That's pretty funny. I may have been gone for a few days, but I know better than to believe someone who's been a member of this forum for so long would "forget if the pitcher hits or not." Nice try, but I'm not biting.
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Seriously, dude, the pitcher hits...
As for the Cart/ROM, I still support Opening day game. Turd as clear that he wanted projected season rosters, so for example, on the Red Sox it looks like Papi won't start the season active but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the game. He should either be the 1B or the first guy on the bench (with Nap at C and Salty on BN and dump that shitty Ross dude). Rather you go with the planned guys (though I admit to being happy A-Fraud isn't even with the Yanks) regardless of any relatively small injury.
As for the dates my point is there is no "final" roster during the season it either has to happen at the end of the season or at the start. It appears the version being worked on is for the start of the season so lets just support that plan. :thumbsup:
Maybe they'll be a post- trading deadline ROM update, or an end of the season summary update, or maybe there won't be any changes until 2014. You are right that cart prices basically prevent making more than one version of those but the ROM hacks could still be downloaded.
~two cents from VEGAS
Thanks for the feedback and dialog boys. The plan is to try and get this out before opening day, but def. early in the opening weeks if that's not possible. I'll see what I can do about releasing an end of year ROM, but mid-season ROMs are too difficult to do, so that probably won't be happening.
Just so I'm clear, I'm not looking for every lineup, I used mlbdepthcharts as a base. What we've done in the past is I post the lineups and I let the "experts" for a team give their feedback. Those people have their finger on the team's pulse...so if you have specific team feedback, give a short description if you like, but ultimately what I'm looking for is a repost of the "fixed" lineup. 1-12 with DH being in the lineup. Sometimes it's difficult to get that working since the PITCHER DOES BAT :) But try to make a realistic lineup if you were the manager.
Pitchers is usually based as SP, SP, SU, CL, though that can change if it needs to.
I'm currently done with all the lineups (save for team-specific feedback). I'm up to the point now where I have to finish rating pitcher speed and then going through and tweaking the ratings a bit if there's anything wonky. Then I'll post the ratings sheet, give it a few days, then release a ROM and start taking preorders. We've never done this process before so we don't know what kind of turn-around we're talking about, so that'll have to get ironed out.
Also, the guy who's doing the cart creation mentioned he's going to try to get some boxes cut out this weekend, and also that most of the carts are going to be tengen-style carts...hope that's ok.
Quote from: ShitPaw on 03/15/13, 03:56:24 PM
PHI: Put Delmon Young in the Lineup, and consider putting Cole Hamels in the Rotation
Hamels is the opening day starter and their best pitcher and Delmon Young belongs nowhere near the lineup. Dom Brown starts in the OF
Quote from: ShitPaw on 03/15/13, 08:18:11 PM
Brown starts in Left, and Young is in Right. I don't know why you'd want anybody other than Young in Right (who's actually on the roster).
Quote from: BDawk on 03/15/13, 06:20:35 PM
Hamels is the opening day starter and their best pitcher
As the ROM roster stands now, Hamels isn't even in the game. With Lee and Halladay on the team, I assume the nod was given to the bigger names. The suggestion I think I made earlier was to put Lee in as the SU guy. Not sure if the game could be hacked to give them 3 starters and 1 reliever.
I didn't mean I'd put in three starters, I meant instead of a setup man it could just be a different reliever. It'll always be SP, SP, RP, RP.
What point am I missing? I was commenting on the notion of putting in three SPs and 1 RP, which I'm not interested in for the community ROM. For a special ROM, sure...
I haven't decided on the other stuff yet...
If I'm still missing the point, enlighten me.
Your feedback is always welcomed...I'm glad people are talking about this. Been trying to keep this game alive for a while now...so please, drop your feedback. I may or may not take it into account, but I will hear anyone out. Baseball is an odd sport for rating ROMs in that we know in general the stars and the lineups, who's good, who's not, etc, but it gets tricky when creating lineups because we're not always exposed to those gritty details like we are for our home teams. The AL/NL disparity further clouds this as I rarely watch any AL baseball, except for on occasion when the Brewers are off and I hit up the 4-letter network to catch some ballgames...
On top of that, I'm a family man with 3 kids and very limited computer time, so relying on others to help with the painful parts of rating a ROM is a must if I want to get anything out the door. I took last year off because it got to be too miuch, but after refining my tools that I use to rate the game and paired with the idea of actually boxing up a ROM and putting it on a cart (something I always wanted to do), well, i was inpsired again.
But, I digress...when I finish the pitcher speeds, I'll look back over this thread and read up on all the feedback and make adjustments then. Thanks for being part of the discussion...
I'm interested in a 2013 rbi baseball cart once completed and ready
Just an update, still working on pitching speeds. Honestly I would normally do it in my downtime at work, but haven't had any lately. Stilll, I'm plugging along, shouldn't take long...then I'll release the prelim ratings...
Realize I'm relatively new over here, but...If I can offer a suggestion?
I undertook a similar project updating Baseball Simulator 1.000 for the 2013 season and the best way I found to update
rosters and stats was simply to copy/paste stat lines from http://www.fangraphs.com (http://www.fangraphs.com) and plug them into an excel spreadsheet. I then used quadradic regression (i assure you--not as complicated as it sounds) to compare the stats from the original Baseball Simulator (High, Average and Low) against the stats pulled from fangraphs (High Average and Low). This way today's stat lines remain in the parameters of the original game. There's a nice quadratic regression online app at http://science.kennesaw.edu/~plaval/applets/QRegression.html (http://science.kennesaw.edu/~plaval/applets/QRegression.html) which lets you plug in stats to get a formula which would then translate real MLB stat lines into RBI Baseball stats.
I believe RBI and Baseball Simulator use much the same stats. I used Slugging Percentage to measure a guy's Power, I inverted on-base percentage for contact and used a fangraphs stat called "baserunning effectiveness" for foot speed. As for pitching, I based a pitcher's right and left curve ratings on how often they threw curveballs (which generally break right) and sliders/splitters (which generally break left). Fangraphs also has a pitcher's max velocity and average velocity for each type of pitch they throw.
I've playtested my rom and I think it's pretty true to a player's abilities while still retaining the feel of the original NES game.
Hope that helps. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know.
Thanks Keith...I appreciate the help. I've been rating RBI for years now, and I have my own system, similar to your setup, though mine is much more automated as I wrote some code to handle most of the heavy-lifting for me.
Though, I am quite interested in the link you provided. I had been doing some of that stuff by hand back when I developed my system.
Unfortunately, for RBI, there are some stats that don't translate to RBI abilities, so I rate my pitchers based on their ability to strike people out (even if they don't have a good curve, they might have one in RBI to give them the skills needed to be good). I wanted to get a "control" feature implemented that would use that value to use a probability to randomly ignore that the user was throwing a curve and to just have the pitch go over the plate...guys with good control would never have it affect them, guys with poor control would have it affect them more often.
That didn't happen, but maybe for a future release.
Should also say thanks; I had no clue what the "contact" value did in Baseball Simulator until I moseyed over here.
I just saw a few pics of a completed and assembled box, and man oh man, it's fuckin' sweet. Will post some pics in the next few days along with what I hope is a finished ROM!
My goal is to finish up the last amount of busywork and then perhaps have this thing done by Wednesday (the wife is gone out of town and I'll have the whole night to plug away).
Ok, I can't wait, this is too awesome. here's a quick preview of the box...
Quote from: BeefMaster on 03/08/13, 08:05:29 AM
Best guess for the Twins:
Hicks
Dozier
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Plouffe
Parmelee
Doumit (DH)
Florimon
Mastroianni
Carroll
Butera (although they might sign a bat who you could put here instead; I'm still hoping for JIM THOME)
Diamond
Worley (although Correia is more likely to be healthy, I think)
Burton
Perkins
Most likely changes are last bench spot (if it's Escobar, he's not going to be much better offensively than Butera), second base (Dozier is no guarantee), and starting pitchers (if there's an injury). I'm also hoping that, if Dozier makes the team, they'll dump him down in the order and move everyone else up, but Gardy loves Mauer in the #3 spot and has a weird thing for hitting middle infielders #2, so I don't know how likely that is.
Twins have confirmed that Hicks will open the year as the starting center fielder (and almost certainly the leadoff man) - great speed, a bit of power, not great contact unless you factor in OBP. End of the bench is still open, but all the guys listed above are going to be on the roster, assuming they don't pull a surprise and send Butera to AAA like they probably should. Last bench spot would almost certainly be an upgrade over Butera offensively, but likely will be no big loss either way.
Diamond is not going to start on Opening Day because of injury, but he's expected back within two or three weeks, so he should probably still be their #1 starter on the ROM. #2 will be Pelfrey, Worley, or Correia, none of whom are all that good, so use whoever you want. Relief guys are set, though.
I just read that Butera was actually sent to AAA; I'm not sure who should get the last RBI-roster bench spot.
I'm getting pumped!!!!!! Baseball around the corner &2013 RBI baseball almost complete...what else could a guy ask for? What a way 2 start spring
I'm actually more excited for this than opening day. Of course, I'm a Red Sox fan and this year's team ain't looking too good. Like any loyal fan I'll be in love with them within the first few games but for now its all about RBI 2013!
I got all the pitchers rated...last thing on my plate is to scan through the batters, adjust up for down for each team, and set the error values...
Cool, should help a little, though opening day doesn't always represent the "RBI" roster (injuries, guys like Lohse who will start a week late, etc). Still, it's a good start...
Should be hopefully working in the remaining tweaks tonight...
Twins have finalized their Opening Day roster. The last bench spot went to Wilkin Ramirez, a backup outfielder I know nothing about. Opening Day starter will be Vance Worley, since Scott Diamond is on the DL for the opening week, but I'd still go Diamond-Worley as the 1-2 for the ROM. RBI Bench (assuming you put Ryan Doumit in as starting DH and Pedro Florimon, the #9 hitter, in a bench spot) should be Florimon, Darin Mastroianni, Jamey Carroll, and Eduardo Escobar.
I miss that Vance Worley already
I will gladly give him back in order to reacquire Ben Revere.
Thanks beef. Sorry guys, got busy at work and will be gone until Sunday night. New goal isntonget woek on the rom done Sunday night.
The Twins switched up their batting order, if that matters to you - they dropped Dozier to the 8 spot, so it's now
Hicks
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Doumit
Plouffe
Parmelee
Dozier
Florimon
Sox beat Yanks.... Great way to start the season. Only way today gets better is if the rom gets finished today. Good luck Turd. You are rounding 3rd and heading to home on this project.
Quote from: Turd on 03/29/13, 08:22:23 PM
Thanks beef. Sorry guys, got busy at work and will be gone until Sunday night. New goal isntonget woek on the rom done Sunday night.
I am. Sorry guys, it's coming.
TURD,
As you mentioned earlier I think you go with the probably line-ups once injuries are cleared up. IE Ortiz is on Red Sox Roster because he'll be back soon from DL stint but if you are making some other changes like the MIN one suggested the Red Sox could be modified to:
Ellsbury
Victorino
Pedroia
Napoli (at C)
Ortiz (at 1B)
Middlebrooks
Bradley (Jackie Bradley Jr.)
Iglesias
BN:
Salty
Drew
Gomes
Carp
But I'm also 100% cool with whatever permutation the lineup is already in. Likely its time to just publish the thing and maybe tweaks come after folks take it for a spin.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 04/01/13, 02:58:55 PM
The Twins switched up their batting order, if that matters to you - they dropped Dozier to the 8 spot, so it's now
Hicks
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Doumit
Plouffe
Parmelee
Dozier
Florimon
It's not the lineups that are holding me up. It's finalizing the hitting ratings and applying to the rom. Patience. It'll happen.
Christ. Tried to finish up tonight during thr brewer game and my wife kept yammering on. Ugh, so close.
Taking off of work on Friday. It is my hope to out the ROM to sleep.
I've begun my final work. I'll post what I have today...
Done. Will generate the roster sheet tonight! Finally...long time comin'...