Gets a base knock in his first at-bat back off the DL. He's the only player still in the majors and with his original RBI Baseball team. As a Yanks fan, this scares me, because that's incredible RBI karma for the Red Sox. Props to Burks.
I meant to mention that he came off the DL, I wonder if he'll make the post season roster.
The red sox will still choke in the heat of the playoff race.I'm a huge Yankees fan that has seen all the chokes from the sox through massachusetts eyes.For example,take this year the red sox have probably the best 2 pitchers in baseball which means absolutely shit.Ok signing off,yours truly poolstroke,the biggest yankee fan in the forum.
I can't wait to see all the Yankee fans crying when they lose in the first round to the Twins.
They should melt Ellis Burks down into a lucky charm.
I'm definitely in search of an Ellis Burks shirt-jersey to sport during my playoff ritual.
Also, when I see Burks in the dugout it takes me a second to realize that he is not a coach.
The twins,are you serious.All they have is santana,he is great but unproven in playoffs.Yankees will win easily.The sox and yanks in league championship,no doubt in my mind.Bernie is hitting finally and Giambi hopefully is on track now,its all over,only shot to lose is to the cards.
i always look into the yankee dugout and wonder how many players came up through their farm system and haven't been bought by Steinspender.
still wondering...
Jeter,Bernie,Mariano,Posada do I have to say more those guys are the core to that team,face it we just know talent ,whether its signing someone or having him come up from minors,tell me anothe rteam that can state that fact,four great players on there team that came from their farm system,yankess dont get enough credit for that,All people can say is they buy championships,insteaded the good work the owner does.
Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/24/04, 11:03:01 AM
The twins,are you serious.All they have is santana,he is great but unproven in playoffs.Yankees will win easily.The sox and yanks in league championship,no doubt in my mind.Bernie is hitting finally and Giambi hopefully is on track now,its all over,only shot to lose is to the cards.
You're forgetting about Brad Radke - Radke's got the highest quality start percentage in the AL, if my memory serves me correctly, and his ERA is far better than any non-El Duque Yankees starter. His lack of run support is the only reason his record isn't better. Also, for what it's worth, Santana was hurt during last year's playoffs.
If the playoffs were to start today, the Twins wouldn't play the Yankees anyway - right now the Twins are a half-game ahead of the A's for the #2 seed, so they'd play the Red Sox.
I admire your cockiness ("only shot to lose is the cards"), considering the Yankees have been beaten in the postseason three straight years now, the last two to wild-card teams.
Quoteface it we just know talent
Yeah, that's why the Yankees have the worst farm system in the majors. They'll stay competitive due to their ability to sign free agents, but they don't have another core of home-grown players to replace Jeter's crew anytime soon.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 09/24/04, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/24/04, 11:03:01 AM
The twins,are you serious.All they have is santana,he is great but unproven in playoffs.Yankees will win easily.The sox and yanks in league championship,no doubt in my mind.Bernie is hitting finally and Giambi hopefully is on track now,its all over,only shot to lose is to the cards.
If the playoffs were to start today, the Twins wouldn't play the Yankees anyway - right now the Twins are a half-game ahead of the A's for the #2 seed, so they'd play the Red Sox.
I might then be wise for the Twins to start throwing some games, I think they'll have a better chance against the Yankees.
I've thought the same thing - the Twins are better at preventing runs than scoring them, so Boston's pitching is scarier than the Yankees' hitting (which isn't much better than Boston's anyway). Also, they don't have nearly the "dome-field advantage" they had back in the RBI era, so that doesn't matter much to me.
Ellis aka Elias Burks. Called him that because he's so old and just keeps hitting. Did anyoe watch the Sox game last night? I thought Ortiz and Crew had done it again for the third time in a row. Would have been amazing. Also, why the hell do you put BK in to pitch a tie game? Does anyone else realize he's a giant crapsack? I'd prefer to pay him 5mm to sit in AAA and get shelled. Exhibit 2048 on why I hate Terry Francona. Any reasonable baseball fan could do a better job than that shit stain.
BK is the curse.
Well lets all meet back at this forum for all you yankee haters,then tell me the twins are going to beat them.I must admit yankees pitching is not all that,but post season time they will come around,like I said boston has better pitching,minnesota supposely has better pitching.Yes I know pitching beats hitting,come to me when those pitchers beat those hitters until then its only talk.I'm not one of those fairweather fans,I hate those people I struggled through alot of tough times with the yanks.How can anyone beat that hitting line up ,think about it.
Beefmaster that wasnt the question,it was who they have from farm system now.I know their farm system sucks right now,i meant the years of their dynasty.The Yankees hitting is a little better,lmfao you serious.
QuoteYes I know pitching beats hitting,come to me when those pitchers beat those hitters until then its only talk.
So, did you sleep through the 2001 and 2003 World Series? Both times, good pitching was the difference in the series.
QuoteHow can anyone beat that hitting line up ,think about it.
It's happened 57 times so far this year. It only takes 3 or 4 to end a series. The Yankees have the best lineup in baseball (as they should, with that payroll), but to imply that they're unbeatable is foolishness, especially with that pitching staff.
The space goes after the comma, by the way; otherwise it's hard as hell to read.
When the subject of buying a championship comes up, Yankees fans always bring up how many home grown players they have but money is just as much of a factor there. They don't ever have to worry about anybody leaving when their contract is up like almost everybody else in baseball does. 90% of the other teams in baseball bring up a player through their farm system and have to take what they can get out of them before their contract is up and they sign with somebody like the Yankees. Until there's some form of a salary cap in place, there's never going to be a level playing field.
Go Sox, Twins, A's/Angels/Rangers, Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers/Giants/Cubs!!!!!!!
I didn't say they were unbeatable i said they will be tough to beat.Alot of other teams spend alot with no avail,not mentioning no names,(boston,baltimore,dodgers,braves,mets)to name a few.Money dont me winning,judging who to buy with that money does.Ok everyone tell me who their team isand who they think will win this year if not the yankees ,put up a good argument atleast.
With all the money they put in, they shouldn't be so close to the Sox in the standings.
My argument is that the Yankees pitching sucks, so I don't think they will win the AL, they could, by I predict they won't. The favorites have to be the Red Sox with Schilling and Pedro in a short series.
One thing about Burks is that he is all buisness, a beachball wen't into the dugout and without hesitation, he grabs it from I think Pedro and rips it apart and throws it on the ground and just contitnues to watch the game. Also does anyone think Guiterez looks like the cop from Gone in 60 Seconds
Plus, the Yankees' international scouting program is so far ahead of any other team - because of the amount of money they pour into it. They can wait for a prospect to be identified, and then come in at the last minute and offer the kid far more money to sign than the other team who did all of the "heavy lifting" in the first place.
And I completely agree with Baines - basically, the Yankees don't need as strong of a farm system, since they can treat half of the teams in the league as "farm teams" to devleop talent that they can trade for/sign as free agents when they need to fill a hole.
Well its not going to be a short series if the sox play the yankees it will be 7 games.Pedro is horrible against the yankees so that's a bad argument you made.Schilling is a good pitcher though.Red sox got 2 hitters manny and ortiz thats all.So,in order for them to win Pedro and schilling cant lose a game they pitch,very unlikely.Minnesota has a shot in the dark,no hitting at all.They match up to Oakland good ,but the sox and yankees will beat minnesota.This is good though I finally got some conversation going in the forum,instead of asking for a game.All in fun though,Go Yankees.
The Red Sox have as many regulars batting above .290 as the Yankees (each have five), and they as many regulars with an OPS above .850 as the Yankees (five each). And I'm not counting Trot Nixon into those calculations, which gives them an additional very solid hitter. So, I don't get saying that the Red Sox only have two hitters while the Yankees are some sort of unstoppable offensive machine...
Well you decide
Jeter damon
a-rod bellhorn
sheffield manny
Giambi ortiz
Matsuai millar
posada varitek
williams scrub
olerud scrub Not even close
cairo scrub
OK, let's break the teams down position by position:
LF: Manny vs. Sheffield - Sheff's a great hitter, but Manny's one of the top five (maybe three) hitters in baseball today. Neither are great defensive players.
Advatange Boston
CF: Johnny Damon vs. Hideki Matsui - This is very, very close. Matsui has a little more power, but Damon has a lot more speed. This is probably about even, although I would lean towards Damon if I had to.
Push
RF: Kevin Millar vs. Bernie Williams - They are both pretty similar in terms of HRs and RBIs, but Millar is hitting 39 points higher than Williams, and his OPS is 76 points higher.
Advantage Boston
3B: Bill Mueller vs. Alex Rodriguez - Bill Mueller's good for what the team needs, and I think A-Rod is slightly overrated, but this still is pretty easy to call.
Advantage New York
SS: Pokey Reese vs. Derek Jeter - See above.
Advantage New York
2B: Mark Bellhorn vs. Miguel Cairo - Bellhorn's got some pop for a second baseman, but doesn't hit for a lot of average; Cairo is a good contact hitter with limited pop. But even without a high BA, Bellhorn still has a higher on-base percentage than Cairo. But then again, Bellhorn is a strikeout machine. Hell, it's a draw.
Push
1B: Doug Mientkiewicz vs. John Olerud - Olerud's lost a lot as a hitter, but Mientkiewicz is strictly a defensive specialist, and I'm just listing offense here.
Advantage Yankees
C: Jason Varitek vs. Jorge Posada - Again, Varitek is has a slight advantage in BA, while Posada has the edge in HRs and RBI. Since their OPS is almost identical, I'm calling this a draw as well.
Push
DH: David Ortiz vs. Jason Giambi - Who knows if Giambi's ever going to fully recover from whatever the hell he had. Meanwhile, Ortiz is putting up sick, sick numbers.
Advantage Boston
So, we wind up with a 3-3 tie, with three pushes. And frankly, if I had to lean one way or the other, I'd give the Red Sox the slight edge at CF and 2B and the Yankees the slight edge at C, making it 5-4 in favor of the Red Sox. So, unless you're completely myopic and also know nothing about baseball, this is hardly "not even close".
This type of analysis is fun to do, but baseball teams need a certain amount of cinergy to be successful.
Quote from: dvldog on 09/24/04, 08:03:02 PM
This type of analysis is fun to do, but baseball teams need a certain amount ofcinergy to be successful.
What the hell does a power company have to do with baseball? (BTW, that's the company that serves most of Indiana and Cincy)
synergy
The Red Sox need a manager who will pull Pedro after he some how gets out of the 7th unscathed when his last 3 pitches went a combined 1300 feet. Comes in in the 8th and Matsui goes yard?
Well fightonusc you have the wrong match ups for someone who thinks he knows baseball.Sheffield is right field and manny is left field.Matsuai is left field and damon is center.Bernie is center and nixon is right so you messed up the whole outfield but your human.You forgot Giambi against any of your first baseman,not olerud,where you been all year you forgot about Giambi.A-rod better than mueller,Jeter better than any shortstop and Cairo is as good as your second baseman and Posada is better than Varitek.So that is 5-0 around the Infield and I'll give you 2-1 in the outfield.So that is 6-2 Yankees,like I said not even close,end of story.Get your facts straight if your going to go head to head on a battle about baseball,as I can see you don't know a dam thing.Oh by the way like I said earlier ,Pedro cant beat the Yankees,once again he choked.
-Gotta go with Varitek over Posada
-Giambi is sick
-Bellhorn over Cairo
I have had about enough of Yanks/Red Sox. F'n espn
Twins and A's going to be tougher than anyone in a short series thanks to pitching
Wow, quite the thread and discussion.
Poolstroker, please learn to type the English language. Your posts are absolutely ridiculous and just about impossible to read. Most people use periods and two spaces after them when finishing a sentence.
As for who's the better team, Yanks or Red Sox, it looks like the Yankees are the better team right now. They've taken three out of four from the Sox and have beaten Pedro twice in a week (if Francona could pull his head out of his ass, this may not have happened.)
As you all know, I'm a huge Yankee fan. I had to deal with the "buying their team" crap for the entire 2001 Series from hypocritical DBacks fans. Think about it. An expansion team going all the way in 4 years? One answer: $$$$$$. I'm not bitter, I swear.
Anyway...the Yanks used to have a great farm system. Their organization was run very well. The shit hit the fan when Gonzo's blooper made it into center. Since then, the idiot Boss has decided to take more control and once again is running the franchise into the ground. He needs to get suspended again. That way, Cashman and Michael can do their thing and the Yanks will be solid for another decade.
Okay, the playoffs. The Yanks have a great team on paper and plenty of power, but they don't really have any hitters, guys like Tino or Brosius or O'Neill, guys who move the runner or work the count. It's all or nothing with this team. The Angels and Marlins proved this simple fact and the Yanks have done nothing to improve on their deficiencies.
Having said all that, you still can't count them out, as their pitchers are coming around and pitching well, and the team seems to be gelling, taking charge, realizing they are the Yankees, and everyone is too busy staring at their pinstripes.
And let's not forget...the Red Sox are still the Red Sox.
Sorry for the ridiculously long post.
Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/24/04, 11:08:11 AM
tell me anothe rteam that can state that fact,four great players on there team that came from their farm system
Maddox
Wood
Prior
Clement
Zambrano
Patterson
Not to mention the major-league caliber players down in AAA, who don't have anywhere to go until the current roster retires or gets traded away.
Quote from: Teddyballgame113 on 09/24/04, 11:03:47 AM
i always look into the yankee dugout and wonder how many players came up through their farm system and haven't been bought by Steinspender.
Give Keith Foulke and Johnny Damon back to the A's, give David Ortiz back to the Twins, give Pedro Martinez back to the Expos, give Manny Ramirez back to the Indians, and give Curt Schilling back to the Diamondbacks, and THEN you can start bitching about the Yankees "buying" players, hypocrite
QuoteMinnesota has a shot in the dark,no hitting at all.
Yeah... that explains why the Twins took 2 of 3 from them last month. The Twins are overmatched in terms of hitting, but they have better pitching and better defense, especially in the outfield.
QuoteYou forgot Giambi against any of your first baseman,not olerud,where you been all year you forgot about Giambi.
Do you even watch baseball? Since the Yankees acquired Olerud, Giambi has DH-ed pretty much every game he's played. I looked through the last week's box scores, just to be sure, and either Olerud or Clark started every game at first, while Giambi DH-ed every game he played. I'd guess Giambi will only play first in the postseason if the Yankees make the World Series (where there's no DH for 3 games), or if Clark and Olerud are dead.
Sorry, If my typing and english offends you, is that all you do is rip people on here. I do not use a keyboard often and sorry I'm not as perfect as you. Remember , there's somethings some people do better than other people. Your 100 percent right though , I'm a awful typer , and my grammmar and punctuation does suck, I 'll have to live with that my whole life. Well, I hope this spacing is surfice for you, once again I apologize.
Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/25/04, 10:35:52 AM
Sorry, If my typing and english offends you, is that all you do is rip people on here. I do not use a keyboard often and sorry I'm not as perfect as you. Remember , there's somethings some people do better than other people. Your 100 percent right though , I'm a awful typer , and my grammmar and punctuation does suck, I 'll have to live with that my whole life. Well, I hope this spacing is surfice for you, once again I apologize.
This was PM'd to me. Anyone else? I can't stop laughing.
Yes we can all agree poolstroke's typing is terrible, but i for one am not here to criticize those who can and cannot type... i never preview my posts, and worry little about grammar and spelling... having said that, poolstroke was right in assessing FightOn's analysis (which I enjoyed reading, btw).. those just weren't the mathups... no matter.. on to my defense of everyone hating the yankees... this honestly is like the chicken or the egg argument... when will either side ever truly cave?? but there is my point that i think many people are reluctant, or maybe just not interested in admitting... George Steinbrenner has built an empire... maybe an "evil" empire in some of your minds, but none the less an empire... sports is big business nowadays, no two ways about that... as much as i'd love to live in ignorance and pretend that it's all love of the game, i gotta be realistic... and Steinbrenner is running his "business" the best he can, how the hell can you blame him for that... he is making xxxx amount of dollars from his xxxx number of subscribers to the YES network, a network devoted ENTIRELY to the Yankees... i mean seriously, they are doing David Cone bio's at 3 AM, it never stops... so he takes all this money, and puts it back into his product, the New York Yankees... i understand how this may upset some of you, but as a Yankee fan I enjoy seeing Steinbrenner do whatever it takes to win, and YOU WOULD TOO if you were a Yankee fan... this is much better for baseball and its fans than some of these cheap-sh1t organizations who put nothing back into their club, and never try to really improve/take a shot at winning (by signing a free agent, etc)... hate the yankees all you want, i don't blame you... but make sure you're reasons are grounded, and have some shred of respect for what Steinbrenner does, even if you must admit it through gritted teeth.. and why dynasties are good for sports is a whole different post which I'm more than willing to write, but its 3 am and im drunk and not in the mood... but they are, trust me... thatll do for now...
sorry for rambling so long, i think just going to college in Boston and being a Yankee fan, I end up with some pent-up emotions, and maybe the dee-nee forums arent the right place to let loose... but it was what was in front of me at the time..
Great point. The Yankees have a product that a lot of people want and they extract all the profits possible. George is King Capitalist.
Ellis Burks "played" his last game at Fenway today. That's shit they didn't let him pinch hit. Maybe he's too old, and this season is just a chance for him to make a few bucks.
Another RBIer fades into oblivion.
Quote from: dvldog on 09/26/04, 06:33:29 PM
Ellis Burks "played" his last game at Fenway today. That's shit they didn't let him pinch hit. Maybe he's too old, and this season is just a chance for him to make a few bucks.
Another RBIer fades into oblivion.
I think you mean Bolivia.
Fucking hell, like I watch Yankees or Red Sox games on a consistant basis ;)
All I know is that if you claim that the Yankees line-up is just absolutely without comparison to the Red Sox, (as foolstroke72 essentially did), you're higher than Macaulay Culkin.
I was at the game yesterday, everyone was chanting for Ellis. Reason # 2975 that I hate Terry Francona.
Quote from: BigVanilla on 09/25/04, 07:47:43 AM
Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/24/04, 11:08:11 AM
tell me anothe rteam that can state that fact,four great players on there team that came from their farm system
Angels:
Pitchers: Washburn, Lackey, Percival, K-Rod
Hitters: Molina Bros., Erstad, Glaus, Anderson, Salmon
and by the way, i'm not a Sox fan either, but i do appreciate when a club mixes the will to win with a decent payroll and kicks that yankees a$$, as the 2002 champs did.
Quote from: Mike D. on 09/27/04, 08:05:06 AM
I was at the game yesterday, everyone was chanting for Ellis. Reason # 2975 that I hate Terry Francona.
I read in the papers that Ellis had just had his knee drained and was not available to play.
I still hate Terry Francona. He's a pile of dog shit.
OK, so I'll admit that, what with all of the races that matter happening in So Cal, I haven't been following the pointless battle between the Red Sox and the Yankees over who is going to get the AL East title and who is going to get the Wild Card. But, to go back and use the rosters and positions from this week's games...
LF: Obviously, Manny over Matsui
CF: I'll take Damon over either over-the-hill Kenny Lofton or over-the-hill Benrie Williams
RF: Clearly, Sheffield over Nixon
DH: Last time I checked, Olerud was still getting the majority of starts at 1B, and Giambi was either playing DH or PH. And Williams was DHing when he wasn't playing OF. No matter, because Ortiz is better than any of these options.
Even reconfiguring for the correct line-ups (argh, what a mistake...), it only makes it (by my count) 4-3 in favor of the Yankees. If you think that Posada and Varitek aren't about equal as hitters, or that Cairo and Bellhorn, although doing different things, aren't about at the same level as hitters, you obviously don't know anything about baseball.
Yes, I made an admittedly large mistake, but even with the big error, it was still ten times better than your "analysis" of the two team's rosters. Mine are based on stats and research, while yours seem to be based on pure myopia (I'm not even a Red Sox fan). As proved by your "Name another team with four star players who came up through their system" comment. To add to the Cubs and Angels teams brought up, let me also mention:
Atlanta Braves:
Hitters: Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Marcus Giles, Rafael Furcal
Pitchers: John Smoltz (traded as a minor-leaguer to the Braves as part of the Doyle Alexander deal)
Chicago White Sox:
Hitters: Carlos Lee, Frank Thomas, Magglio Ordonez
Pitchers: Mark Buehrle
Florida Marlins:
Hitters: Miguel Cabrera, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez
Pitchers: Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis
Houston Astros:
Hitters: Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell (traded to Houston as a prospect in Larry Anderson deal), Lance Berkman, Morgan Ensberg
Pitchers: Wade Miller, Roy Oswalt
Los Angeles Dodgers:
Hitters: Alex Cora, Cesar Izturis, Adrian Beltre
Pitchers: Eric Gagne
Minnesota Twins:
Hitters: Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, Corey Koskie, Justin Morneau (plus others)
Pitchers: Brad Radke, Johan Santana, Joe Mays
Oakland A's:
Hitters: Eric Byrnes, Eric Chavez
Pitchers: Mark Mulder, Rich Harden, Tim Hudson, Barry Zito
Texas Rangers:
Hitters: Hank Blalock, Michael Young (traded as prospect to Rangers for Estaban Loiza), Mark Teizeria, Kevin Mench
Pitchers: Kenny Rogers
Toronto Blue Jays:
Hitters: Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells, Eric Hinske (traded as a prospect as part of deal that sent Billy Koch to the A's)
Pitchers: Roy Halladay
Because, you know, no other team has four really good players on their rosters that came through their farm system...
(P.S. Shouldn't this also get moved to the Anything Goes forum at this point, since it really has nothing to do with RBI Baseball at this point?)
As an addendum to that - in the Twins' starting lineup, if you count the currently-injured Joe Mauer, 8 of the 9 players came from the Twins minor-league system (all except Stewart, who was acquired in a trade last year; Guzman came from the Yanks as a prospect in the Knoblauch deal, and I think Lew Ford, who I'm including in this as the DH, was originally drafted by Cleveland).
Poolstroke was such a nice, humble guy. It's too bad he doesn't post anymore.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 09/24/04, 10:55:56 AM
I can't wait to see all the Yankee fans crying when they go up 3-0 in the ALCS only to lose 4 straight to the RedSox
Hell of a prediction
Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/28/05, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 09/24/04, 10:55:56 AM
I can't wait to see all the Yankee fans crying when they go up 3-0 in the ALCS only to lose 4 straight to the RedSox
Hell of a prediction
What took you so long to acknowledge your own foresight?
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Quote from: poolstroke72 on 09/24/04, 10:38:41 PM
Well fightonusc you have the wrong match ups for someone who thinks he knows baseball.Sheffield is right field and manny is left field.Matsuai is left field and damon is center.Bernie is center and nixon is right so you messed up the whole outfield but your human.You forgot Giambi against any of your first baseman,not olerud,where you been all year you forgot about Giambi.A-rod better than mueller,Jeter better than any shortstop and Cairo is as good as your second baseman and Posada is better than Varitek.So that is 5-0 around the Infield and I'll give you 2-1 in the outfield.So that is 6-2 Yankees,like I said not even close,end of story.Get your facts straight if your going to go head to head on a battle about baseball,as I can see you don't know a dam thing.Oh by the way like I said earlier ,Pedro cant beat the Yankees,once again he choked.
Well, at least he called this series. Oh wait, nevermind. I hated that dogfaced pile of ass-puke.
What was his point? The Yankees were better than the Sox last year? Or will Mike Vike be a top 5 fantasy QB in 2003?
I like not using spaces after my sentences.It's really cool.At least poolstroker didn't use all caps like usual.I haven't played RBI in forever.Well, maybe a couple of drunken times with MikeD and fighton but nothing serious.Too much booze.It's really hard not to hit the space bar after a period.