Hello just wanted to tell you guys I just made a brand new rom.It has the all-time greats from ten teams (Boston,Yankees,Minnesota,Detroit,Oakland,S.F.,Dodgers,Pittsburgh,Atlanta,and Cubs.That's 5 teams from each league,let me know what you think,it's my first try at doing this.Go to the R.B.I. editor it will say Dream teams-all-time.
You seem to have an awful lot of outfielders in the starting lineup (like 5 per team), which is a bit odd. Also, not sure where you got some of the numbers you're using - Mantle never hit 31 HRs in a season, ever. But it looks like a good start - always nice to have people contributing more ROMs!
Mickey Mantle 1959 31 Hr"s,look it up before you criticize. Like the rom says it's a dream team,not a reality team. I could of put 8 outfielders, if they were good enough to make it. Thank you for you overview of the rom though,I appreciate it. I played it already with a friend ,seems liek it's a good one.
P.S. - I didnt want all the yankeees to have 60 homers,so I put Mantle at one of his lowest totals of his career,I spent alot of time on this rom,my stats are actual, not like some other roms that are made up stats.. I take pride of making a great rom,I do not go half ass,what you see is what they really did and their batting averages are their lifetime averages on the button.
How do you convert batting averages to contact numbers and home runs to power numbers?
I've made a few ROMs that I haven't posted, and it took me a while to figure out a good equation.
By the way, nice job with the ROM. I like the idea of putting your favorite players no matter what position they play.
Can someone make a ROM with Troy O'Leary on the Red Sox? There are not enough black Irishmen in RBI, and the "Silent Assassin" was one of the best.
I made a ROM a while back with my all-time favorite (not best) players from my all-time favorite teams.
Lee Tinsley, Jim Rice, and Troy O'Leary were my outfielders.
Nice, I think I'd have Nick Esasky at first, Tom Brunansky, Darren Lewis, and Troy O'Leary in the outfield, Scott Cooper at third, Jody Reed at second and John Valentin at short. Gedman and Rick Cerrone would split catching duties.
Classic.
I didn't mean to criticize you, but if you really want to get picky, Ruth never hit .327, and Maris never hit .285. If you want to put together an all-time team, why make up stats?
Quotetheir batting averages are their lifetime averages on the button.
I believe this answers your question, Dryden.
Those aren't their lifetime averages either, Maris hit .260 and Ruth hit .342
As an aside when looking these up, I notice in Ruths final season when he played with the Braves, he has only 72 AB, and hit .181 but still had .359 OBP and .431 SLG for a decent .790 OPS
Quote from: dvldog on 09/27/04, 10:46:04 AM
How do you convert batting averages to contact numbers and home runs to power numbers?
The way I've done it is to come up with a baseline - for power, pick a maximum value that you want the player with the most HRs to have (alternatively, you might want to use a different value, like HR/Plate appearances, depending on who you're using).
Say you use 950, and the guy with the most HRs is Babe Ruth, with 60. Then pick a minimum power rating. I usually use 640 for guys with 0 HR. Now you have a scale - If 0=640 and 60=950, then a hitter's power rating = 640 + (HR*5.167).
Contact is basically the same deal. Decide on a maximum and minimum value, assign them to a certain BA, and you have a formula. This can vary quite a bit - for an all-time team, a guy may need to have a .400 BA to get a contact of 0 (or 3, or 5, or whatever your minimum is) while for the 1968 season (Carl Yastrzemski led the AL with a .301
average) the scale will obviously be quite different.
Hope this helps.
I'm pretty similar to Dryden on that...I think for HRs, I took a range of 15 players from the RBI rosters and found out the average ratio of power rating to home runs. I think that the formula that I used was (HR*5.02) + 720. I used 720 instead of 640, since even the weakest position hitter should have at least that much pop. But, it's also a sliding scale as well; if a guy hits 25 HRs a year, but drives in 130 runs, I think he should have a higher power rating than a guy who hits 25 HRs a year, but only drives in 80 runs.
You can do a similar thing for speed ratings, even though the RBI numbers don't necessarily equate to SB numbers. Contact rating is trickier for me - it's not just related to batting average in my mind, but also to strikeouts. If a guy hits .280 but only strikes out 40 times a season, should he have the same contact rating as a guy with the same BA but 120 strikeouts a season? Probably not.
Pitching ratings always, always screw me up, especially when dealing with historical players. How do you rate the curve ability of a player from the 1940s versus Frank Viola? Pitching is the big question mark for me.
For pitching, I've tried to find out what guys actually throw, and work off of that. Since Bruce Sutter is regarding as having the best splitter ever, he gets maximum drop. Roy Face was known for throwing a forkball, he gets a good drop, too. Bob Lemon and Carlos Zambrano have great sinkers, they score well, too. Sandy Koufax has the best curve, he gets the maximum for a righty curve. And then again, there's a baseline. Unless a pitcher is known as a screwballer (Christy Mathewson, Carl Hubbell, Fernando Valenzuela) the curve rating should be higher opposite the hand the guy throws with. So, for a lefty, CrvR should be bigger than CrvL, and for a righty, the opposite. Since Koufax has a great curve, he gets a 15 for CrvR and the baseline for CrvL. Fernando, known for a great screwball as well as a great curve, gets good scores in both directions.
For speed, there's a couple of things to keep in mind. Speed difference makes for a better RBI pitcher than straight velocity, so if you want to make a great pitcher, he should have a good variance between his three speeds (also, curve ratings over 12 or so are really hard to control and keep in the strike zone). For someone who throws a splitter, his "slow ball speed" doesn't actually have to be slow at all - it can be faster than his curve ball. I try to keep the speeds as close to reality as possible, if you can find out what someone throws (for current players, the ESPN player pages are a good source of this, for older players, baseball library helps a lot - it's also a good source to find out who threw sidearm).
Hope this helps a bit.
Here's what I'll use for pitching in my upcoming 2004 ROM...
Curve: 15-(ERA*2)
Drop: (IP/BB) * 3
Fastball speed: (K/IP) * 180, minimum of 150 so pitchers like Tanyon Sturtze don't completely suck. ;)
Curve speed: -25 fastball speed
Up pitch speed: -25 curve speed
Endurance: 10 * (IP/game), 20 to 90
Quote from: Dryden on 09/27/04, 05:33:59 PM
For pitching, I've tried to find out what guys actually throw, and work off of that. Since Bruce Sutter is regarding as having the best splitter ever, he gets maximum drop. Roy Face was known for throwing a forkball, he gets a good drop, too. Bob Lemon and Carlos Zambrano have great sinkers, they score well, too. Sandy Koufax has the best curve, he gets the maximum for a righty curve. And then again, there's a baseline. Unless a pitcher is known as a screwballer (Christy Mathewson, Carl Hubbell, Fernando Valenzuela) the curve rating should be higher opposite the hand the guy throws with. So, for a lefty, CrvR should be bigger than CrvL, and for a righty, the opposite. Since Koufax has a great curve, he gets a 15 for CrvR and the baseline for CrvL. Fernando, known for a great screwball as well as a great curve, gets good scores in both directions.
For speed, there's a couple of things to keep in mind. Speed difference makes for a better RBI pitcher than straight velocity, so if you want to make a great pitcher, he should have a good variance between his three speeds (also, curve ratings over 12 or so are really hard to control and keep in the strike zone). For someone who throws a splitter, his "slow ball speed" doesn't actually have to be slow at all - it can be faster than his curve ball. I try to keep the speeds as close to reality as possible, if you can find out what someone throws (for current players, the ESPN player pages are a good source of this, for older players, baseball library helps a lot - it's also a good source to find out who threw sidearm).
Hope this helps a bit.
We're in the same ballpark (har har har) with how we approach pitching stats - I've especially found the speed difference to be true. More to a point, I tend to note a difference between the screwball pitcher and the slider the pitcher for the drop ball speed - a guy with a splitter or hard slider is going to have more speed than the guy who threw a screwball or knuckler. And of course, it's easy to give Bruce Sutter a great drop pitch, or for a current guy, Mark Prior a great curve rating. But when you're trying to get an idea of the stuff that, say, Jim Kaat had versus Clyde Wright, it can get very tricky, and numbers don't paint as complete of a story as batting numbers do.
I hear you... The Neyer/James Guide To Pitchers can be of some help here, if you really want to find out what someone threw. Otherwise, it's kind of hit or miss... For instance
From http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_7_59/ai_64150805 (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_7_59/ai_64150805):
QuoteJim Kaat, 21, Senators, P: Strikeout whiz. Fanned 245 in 223 IP at Missoula (Class C) in 1958. Tied all-time Southern Assoc. (Class AA) record with 19 Ks against Nashville in 1959 with Chattanooga where he finished 8-8 with 132 strikeouts in 134 IP.
REPORT. Good major league prospect, but needs experience. Might be ready in '61. Has strong arm, especially dangerous breaking pitches.
Of course, Kaat is extra-annoying since he has all those links from his broadcasting...
Some info about Clyde's velocity:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/6093863.htm?1c (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/6093863.htm?1c)
But since he only worked 84 games, there isn't much out there. The Neyer-James Guide is the best source I've found, but it's still hit or miss with a lot of pitchers. Sidearming is even worse - so many of the old pitchers threw sidearm "sometimes". How much? Enough to make them a sidearmer?
Quote from: JerryD on 09/27/04, 05:59:31 PM
Here's what I'll use for pitching in my upcoming 2004 ROM...
Curve: 15-(ERA*2)
Drop: (IP/BB) * 3
Fastball speed: (K/IP) * 180, minimum of 150 so pitchers like Tanyon Sturtze don't completely suck. ;)
Curve speed: -25 fastball speed
Up pitch speed: -25 curve speed
Endurance: 10 * (IP/game), 20 to 90
Jerry-
You might want to revisit how you set up the speed differences. By using a constant change from fast to medium to slow for all pitchers, you're removing a lot of the challenge between them. The relative pitch timing for every pitcher in the game will be extremely similar. Just a thought.
Quote from: Dryden on 09/27/04, 06:52:18 PM
Jerry-
You might want to revisit how you set up the speed differences. By using a constant change from fast to medium to slow for all pitchers, you're removing a lot of the challenge between them. The relative pitch timing for every pitcher in the game will be extremely similar. Just a thought.
Hm... ok. Then I'll change the speed differences based upon some factor, most likely strikeouts. Thanks for the input. :)
Yes, you were correct Dryden,but that was the old rom,that is updated now and has all the homeruns and lifetime averages correct now. I have played this new rom with a friend ,we both agree its the best rom we have played yet. Good color and good stats. Well part 2 of the dream teams-all-time should be out tomorrow.The teams on that one are (Angels,Rangers,Blue jays,Royals,Mariners,Cinncinatti,Milwaukee,Houston,St. Louis,and Montreal. I'll try to make a part 3 down the line to make it fun for all of you. These seem to be working and I will try to keep t up. Poolstroke roms 'R' us.