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This has been debated before, but it's time to vote on it.

NL is better.  I don't think it's even all that close.  Apparently, at least 2 people disagree with me, though - I'm the first NL vote.

I've always used Am to put a severe pounding on the computer.  I just never got the same results with Na.

Big Mac, Canseco, and Bell consistently provide 3+ homers a game.  

Na is better throughout the lineup, but not the same 1-2-3 punch in the middle lineup...

Of course, I'm sure a lot of you disagree.

For me, there is no contest: NL is by far and away the best team in the game.

I'm not sure AL is even better than Bos or Det.  They have a kick ass 1-4 (McGwire--if you lead him off, Mattingly, Bell, Canseco), but after that, it's straight down hill.  Ripken is only so-so (should be a lot better)...Baines (or whomever you put there) sucks, Brett is only okay (but should be a lot better), and whomever you hit 8 sucks.  

So, if you can get an out or two at the top of the line up, it's too easy to Barry Bonds the next batter(s) to get to the weaker part of the line up.

*note: I do not mean any offense to Barry Bonds for using his name to say "intentionally walk."   >:(

But NL, you just can't do that...1-6 is dynomite (Raines, Guerrero, Murphy, Dawson, Davis, Schmidt) and 7-8 (Kruk, Gwynn) are pretty good.

Plus, on top of that, the NL has both better SP and better RP, by far.

What JoeD said, definitely a bigger fan of  NL.  The ALs butt-awful bench after McGwire is what kills them.  It forces you to keep mediocre players in the lineup...

We have discussed this before but there's no reason not to go over it again.  Here's what I wrote a few months ago about the AL All-Stars.  I think you'll see who I voted for in the above poll:

- With the discussion on the AL All-Stars, I got to thinking.  Is there a more overrated team than these guys?

Think about it.  They've only got three players that can go deep at any time, McGwire, Bell and Canseco.  Donnie Baseball could arguably be part of that group but he's more of a gap hitter.

Besides those three guys, everyone else is a pretty easy out.  Molitor (I used to bat him leadoff) is a bitch, all he has going for him is above average speed.

Ripken is probably my least favorite player in the game.  His stats are mediocre at best for an All-Star, let alone the guy in the 5 hole.  He's the king of the soft liner and lazy fly ball.  I hate this fucker.

Baines (sorry Baines!) does nothing for me.  He has no opposite field power and only occassionally hits one out.

Brett, as we all know, should be a leftie.  The fact that the programmers fucked this up hurts this team a bunch.  But even if he did bat from the right side of the plate, I wouldn't be doing backflips over this guy.

Now the 8 hole.  Pick your poison with this group.  You got Schroeder (who the fuck IS this guy?) or Franco or Seitzer.  Not much to be happy about here.  I usually gotta go with Franco since he's still playing and he has decent speed in the game.

As for the pitching, it's solid, but again, not All-Star quality in my eyes.  Jimmy Key throws puss.  Chubbs and I routinely kill each other if the other guy is using Key.

Saberhagen is a favorite of many on this board if I'm not mistaken and I guess I won't argue too much.  Yeah, he's sidearm which is kinda nice.  But he doesn't throw hard enough and his sinker ball is awful.

The one guy I do like on the AL is Rags Righetti.  A leftie that throws hard with decent movement.  The perfect complement to the puss that comes from Key or Sabes.

Henke throws hard and is only effective when following up the previously mentioned puss throwers.

Shit, this is quite a long write-up, when my only point is that the AL All-Stars are the most overrated team in RBI Baseball.

What do you guys think?

Maybe I'm placing too much faith in the results of the Fantasy RBI Season, but I'm really starting to warm up to the importance of the contact rating. As such, I'm really liking the AL roster more than I used to. Obviously, Ripken has been killing the ball and is pretty much a guaranteed 3 for 4. We all know about 1-4 in the order (if you lead off with McGwire). Baines is a disaster, but Brett is a solid gapper, and Schroder is decent in the eight hole.

For the NL, you have to do A LOT of initial subbing, which I hate doing because then I always run out of subs when I a PH HR would be so effective. If you have to sub out half of the teams starters because they suck, I can't consider that to be a great team. Plus, Miuke Schmidt might be, for me, the most overrated player in the game, if you look at his RBI production versus his stats. 1 for 4 with a HR and a bunch of pop ups...

I'm going with the AL, because I think Fernandomania is such a gas can that you'll be down eight runs after the first inning anyway if you use the NL. Saberhagen and Key are a much better 1-2 punch than Fernando Lamas and Sutcliffe.

I think you're right, with the following exceptions:

1) Mattingly is a legit power threat
2) Key by far better than Sabs (I know I'm close to the only one who agrees with this)
3) Righetti sucks (usually decent for 1 inning)
4) Henke is tough for a closer on RBI (they usually suck: Scharldi, King, Moore, Garrelts...)

I think perhaps the main difference in our pitching philosophies is that you have to throw a strike (slurve) and I don't (curve).

Saberhagen is the best pitcher in RBI to use against the computer.  Guaranteed 6 perfect innings.

As far as playing with someone with half a brain, I'd say it's a toss-up between Key and Saberhagen.

QuoteI'm going with the AL, because I think Fernandomania is such a gas can that you'll be down eight runs after the first inning anyway if you use the NL. Saberhagen and Key are a much better 1-2 punch than Fernando Lamas and Sutcliffe.

A little confused here and was looking for clarification.   Are you saying Fernando is a bad pitcher?  He has the highest curve in the game so I assume he'd be lights out in curve style.  Is this not the case?

Quote from: Gantry on 11/01/04, 11:35:27 AM


A little confused here and was looking for clarification.   Are you saying Fernando is a bad pitcher?  He has the highest curve in the game so I assume he'd be lights out in curve style.  Is this not the case?

It is totally the case.  There are times in the first inning where it seems like he has too much curve--you can't control it.  The only knock on Fernando, in my opinion, is that he tires easily.  His wicked curve ability produces a lot of missed swings and called strikes--which both often lead to high pitch counts.

When used by the computer, Fernando relies on the sinker.  If he's on, he can be pretty good.  But, if you start wearing him down, the sinker stops dropping.

His curve isn't as deceiving as Saberhagen's is with that sidearm action.

Nando's ball can definitely curve too much.  He's one of the few guys who can go one way with the ball and then bring it back another.  But he's the only guy who can bring it back too much.

I still hate the AL All-Stars.

I'm an AM guy. McGwire kicks ass