Hi, I'm posting some RBI roms I made from Mexican League. The stats are from 1979 season when there were 20 teams, so it was easy to split it in two roms. Also, this was for many people the last GOOD season of Mexican League, the next year came a Players' strike which shortened the season and complicated the future of the League. I highly suggest to MLB-PA to read about the topic (Mexican Baseball Players' strike in 1980) and learn some of the risks of a long strike. :D
The teams are grouped by North Zone and South Zone. I suggest looking in the "South" ROM for Yucatan (Yu) team, you might find a little surprise in the pitchers. :D
I tried to create the feeling of the overall mexican league: weak hitters, slow runners, great pitchers.
Any comments would be appreciated.
According to the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_League)
"The Mexican League is a minor league baseball league which operates in Mexico. The league is considered on the same level as the AAA leagues the International League and the Pacific Coast League, even though the teams do not have working associations with Major League Baseball teams. The league is divided into two divisions, the Zona Norte and the Zona Sur."
What exactly does minor league mean then? Is this a professional league or is it a developmental league with mostly youngsters? I know Fernando and Julio Franco were members at some point....
Sorry this isn't exactlyabout your ROM yet, will play it shortly. Most of us know very little of the Mexican League and wouldn't mind know a little more about it. Mind if I put it on the ROMs Page? (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/roms)
There is no problem with me putting the roms in the rom section. :D
The Mexican League is a profesional league which plays during summer, its main goal (and income) is developing local talent to sell it later to Major League clubs. Almost all mexicans who have played in MLB played in the beginning and/or the dawn of their careers here. IMO the level of the league as a whole can be compared to International and Pacific Coast leagues. Big names such as Pedro Guerrero, Julio Franco, Rico Carty and Diego Segui played here.
The main teams are Mexico Red Devils, Puebla Tigers (formerly Mexico Tigers) and Monterrey Sultans. In the roms, other major teams are Puebla, Cordoba, Juarez and Saltillo.
Mexican Pacific League plays in winter in northwest Mexico. It has the best players from the summer Mexican League alongside Major Leaguers who do not want to be inactive during winter or want to improve their level. The champion of that league plays in Caribbean Series. Fernando Valenzuela is currently playing with Mexicali Eagles from that league.
In other posts I'll talk about the Golden Age during the forties and the 1980 strike.
Good stuff cafetero, thanks! Here is a good writeup on the Mexican league (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/M/Mexican_League.stm).
So if the good summer league players and MLB'ers play in the winter (Pacific) league, does that make it more competitive than the standard one?
Quote from: Gantry on 11/16/04, 09:48:28 PM
Good stuff cafetero, thanks! Here is a good writeup on the Mexican league (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/M/Mexican_League.stm).
It has a really good writeup, and summarizes it plenty. But it has a couple of inconsistencies. :)
First of all, the first Mexican League was not that of Pasquel, that was the second one. The first one went from 1925 to 1939, and ended when most of their teams tried to form another league but failed. One of those teams were the Cordoba Coffee Dealers, or Cafeteros in spanish, hence my nick since I was born there. :) The second encarnation of the Cafeteros was one of the Mexican League powerhouses during the seventies.
They also omited the ANABE League which was created after the 1980 strike, and ended in 1986. That league is a prime example of why in a confrontation between star players and owners, the owners have more chances of surviving. :)
QuoteSo if the good summer league players and MLB'ers play in the winter (Pacific) league, does that make it more competitive than the standard one?
That's true to a extent. That league has always sold itself as an exhibition one, so you see a higher level of baseball, but the season is much shorter and obviously can use players not available to Mexican League when that League has its season. :)
That's the same in Puerto Rico and Dominicana, where in winter you see the Caribbean MLB stars playing there.
Dee-Nee goes international. Nice! Cafetero, are you in Mexico? I ask because I can't help but notice your English is better than 90% of us on this board.
Yes, I live in Monterrey, in Northern Mexico. Well, I've always considered my english as not a very good one, but thanks. :)
I don't want to EVER see the words RBI and Mexico together ever again. It makes me want to hang myself.
Quote from: cafetero on 11/17/04, 07:17:11 PM
Yes, I live in Monterrey, in Northern Mexico. Well, I've always considered my english as not a very good one, but thanks. :)
You obviously have never visited the "Anything Goes" portion of this forum.
Nice work on the ROM, too.
Quote from: rastein on 11/17/04, 10:42:16 PM
I don't want to EVER see the words RBI and Mexico together ever again. It makes me want to hang myself.
...kind of a dick thing to say...
I think this kicks ass! We now have representation in Mexico, Germany (Dove) and wasn't there a Japan rep here? ...oh, and I think GeenaDavis did some time in Amsterdam, maybe?
Lets get an Amsterdam Rom. Players run slow as hell, hit and pitch like shit. Pitchers have 1 endurance
Hey RaStein, go fuck yourself. Gantry, I think that RaStein should be kicked off the forum for good.
This is a place where we may delve into racial issues, examine the non race of any of the RBI Baseball players, but we always do so with a sensitivity.
RAStein makes a very offensive and very racist post, belittling our RBI brethren to the South.
Cafetero, please know that you are more than welcome on this board, I love to see your passion for RBI Baseball mesh with your national pride for the Mexican League, I think it is a beautiful thing. I for one am going to do some research about the players strike of 1980 thanks to your posting.
Gantry, please do something about this including deleting RaStein's posting, I have never seen him contribute before and I don't think we will miss him. I think we would miss Cafetero however, his RBI passion is as unquestioned as his pride in his people.
Thanks for the contribution Cafetero!! It is important that you know that we do not condone those racist sentiments.
I agree that cafetero contribution has been great and hope he continues posting.
I'm not so sure RaStein's post is racist, maybe he got sick in Mexico from drinking too much and doesn't want to remember it. I think he should at least get a chance to explain his post, it is quite odd.
Yeah, I'm not so sure rastein's post was meant to be offensive. He should definitely get a chance to explain himself. Maybe he had a bad experience in Mexico and doesn't want something as pure as RBI to be tainted with memories of his bad experience.
However, on a related note: is there anyway we can shut fknmclane up for good? :D
I hear what you are saying, but I am not buying it, we'll see if he posts something else but i bet it is something ignorant if he does.
Esperamos que quedes Cafetero!!!
On behalf of rastein I would like to say that there are some bad ties between mexico and our entire town here. I too believe that RBI is too precious to be tainted by what we see as "bad".
I vote against banning him.
P.S. He is the only person around here that I can have good games of RBI with.
Quote from: Briznock on 11/18/04, 01:51:50 PM
On behalf of rastein I would like to say that there are some bad ties between mexico and our entire town here.
Can you expand on this? Were jobs lost to Mexico?
His posting was disrespectful to the culture of Cafetero, please remove the posting and rastein from the board, we have not seen other instances in this great RBI forum where someone was treated a certain way because of where they are from, now I am feeling more offended following this explanation from Briznock.
We need to be inclusive here, that means welcoming all nationalities, races, and creeds who love RBI, and obviously Cafetero has a real passion for the game.
Gantry, please weigh in on this.
Hey guys, thanx for all the posts, but I think everyone has a right to express an opinion, as long as that opinion is sustained. Also, I hope more comments on the ROM, specially if I was successful in achieving the effect I tried to make in the rom. :)
If rastein has reasons to not like the words RBI and Mexico together, well, let him be, he may be missing good roms in the future. ;D
Blyleven_No-No: Believe me, there is almost no material regarding the 1980 strike in Mexican League. Even after twenty-five years after the events, and with the main "villain of the novel" dead, the topic is still spoken in whispers. The main source of info if you don't know anything about the topic is this PDF which is in english: http://www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1995/JSH2202/jsh2202c.pdf
Like many things regarding many topics in Mexico: the foreigners make more research about them. :( I'm warning you, some things in the document will leave you speechless, but unfortunately that's the way of doing things in Mexico EVEN TODAY in some areas.
Well said Cafetero, you are truly a man among man. I will read up and let you know my thoughts.
blyleven, i think you're a moron. i have as much a right to say how i feel as anyone else does. you have the right to be an idiot and blow goats, i have the right to say that i don't like mexico. i didn't say anything bad against cafatero. and i don't ever remember asking for your two cents. if i wanted to listen to an asshole, i'd ask your mom to fart. stop trying to be mr. america and standing for everyone when you don't know what you're talking about. everybody else on this forum is cool. why do you have to be a douchebag?
Hey blyleven, Lets get off the high horse. At least Cafetero allows a person to have his own opinion. Im sure that you arent perfect. So easy on everyone else. ok. As for the reasoning for RBI being tainted by mexico, Its not really mexico at all. Its just the ones that decided to move up here and try to take over our city. Our population has doubled. It wouldnt be so bad if these fuckers that moved here would learn english, or maybe even learn to count and use the american dollar. Im sick of seeing hispanics around here get pissed off at bank tellers when the teller doesnt know any spanish YOU ARE IN AMERICA ASSHOLE. Or seeing a mexican pay at the grocery store by holding out the bills and having the worker take the right amount. I say fuck this. If you cant pass a certain level of english then you should go back where you can be understood. And about the ones who dont know our money system.... I hope that i can get a job at a bank or store working cash register and start ripping these assholes off until they decide to learn how to do it themselves. Its fucking ridiculous. And its not all their fault, we have these dumbass people around here that are putting spanish signs and labels all over everything which is pretty much allowing them to live here without learning jack shit.
Its not the fact that they are mexican, Im not being racist at all and neither was rastein. Its just real fucking stupid that we are the ones adapting to them. If they WANT to live here then start LEARNING to live here damnit.
Race talk on two fronts. Interesting.
Guys, what city do you live in? Just curious. I live in Phoenix and we have a HUGE hispanic population. While I see where you're coming from, I don't necessarily agree.
Seymour, Indiana.
Its not race talk. I dont care if it were whities, darkies, indians, jews, japs, frechies, canucks or anyone else. If you move somewhere YOU should be the one to adapt, dont expect everyone to bow to the new guys.
It gets me fired up to think that people actually feel that it is ok for these people to show up and just never learn the language or how to live here.
whats wrong with this country.
Are the Mexicans asking everyone to change?
I like Mexico. It's a fun place to visit. There's a lot of good people. Y tu mamá también was an entertaining film. And two words, Fernando Valenzuela.
This is a joke, right? The Mexicans are taking over Indiana? I honestly had no idea. Then we better shit on a fellow RBI man who happens to be in Mexico. Makes sense to me. But it's not racism. Nope. Not at all.
Quote from: Briznock on 11/18/04, 04:16:59 PM
Seymour, Indiana.
Well fuck me running if this didn't shock the shit out of me.
Mexicans are taking over
Seymour, Indiana?
WOW. wtf???
also, Briznock and rastein: what style RBI do you fellas play? I looked up Seymour, Mexico--I mean Indiana on a map and it looks like it's only about 2 hours from Columbus, OH (Cincy is about 1.5 hours).
We are having a national tourney in Cols, OH this summer!
DId you vote for Bush Briznock?
Enough, goodness... Cafetero wasn't offended by the original post, that's good enough for me. Lets talk about the Mexican league or the ROM, heated discussion about assimilation into our culture can be handled in Anything Goes...
I like to think RBI can bound people of all colors and creeds together. ;D
Who is the best RBIer of Latin decent? I vote for Jorge Bell. Or possibly half of Reginald Martinez Jackson.
there is only one way to settle this: Who can create the "Best RBI Players of Hispanic (not just Mexican) Descent" vs "Best RBI Non-Hispanics" ROM?? Winner gets the Keys to Seymour, Indiana...
Doesn't John Mellencamp have the keys to Seymour, IN? If he does, frankly, I suspect he can keep them...
Quote from: fightonusc on 11/18/04, 07:38:34 PM
Who is the best RBIer of Latin decent? I vote for Jorge Bell. Or possibly half of Reginald Martinez Jackson.
Roberto Clemente?
this is clearly a toss up between 2 players... i think everyone knows who i mean.
Quote from: ShitPaw on 11/18/04, 10:14:17 PM
this is clearly a toss up between 2 players... i think everyone knows who i mean.
Let's ask what_foul_pole what you mean...he'll know better than you would.
I think he means that he wants to have Vlad Guerreros' love child..but that's just jidle specualtions..
wow.
That is the most racist post I have seen on this forum. He definitely voted for Bush and that attitude is so ignorant and so bad for our society it is ridiculous.
What you might be forgetting is that the U.S.A. is a country that was founded on immigration, and Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, are extremely important to our labor force and culture here in the United States. There is no law that states that you must speak english in the United States. As Americans we should welcome their differences and respect their culture. The USA should not be a place where we treat immigrants like they are second class citizens, and I find it very disturbing that you write at the end of your post:
Quote from: Briznock on 11/18/04, 03:59:53 PM
Its not the fact that they are mexican, Im not being racist at all and neither was rastein. Its just real fucking stupid that we are the ones adapting to them. If they WANT to live here then start LEARNING to live here damnit.
What you have written is the essence of racism, and something very negative for our society. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to live in a place like Indiana and not speak the language?? You don't think they would like to speak better english?? Of course they would, but our society continues to marginalize them, we continue to push them to the side, we are certainly not welcoming them with open arms.
I think it is interesting that you feel that they are "trying to take over your city"....they are just trying to make a living and feed their familiies, I am yet to figure out why there is such a paranoia about foreigners??
Gantry, sorry, but this is an RBI related topic, especially with baseball and Latin America, etc.
Quote from: Gantry on 11/18/04, 06:12:58 PM
heated discussion about assimilation into our culture can be handled in Anything Goes...
Are you certain about this?
I agree with Blyleven, but won't go into it further, however whether or not he voted for Bush is not the issue.
Quote from: Blyleven_No-No on 11/19/04, 11:09:19 AM
That is the most racist post I have seen on this forum. He definitely voted for Bush and that attitude is so ignorant and so bad for our society it is ridiculous.
Ultimate stole my thunder, but I have to say, without attempting to defend the alleged racist comments, you are categorically stereotyping people here, too...there is a severe implication that people who voted for Bush are racist, have an ingnorant attitude, and/or are so bad for our society it is ridiculous.
I truly believe that RBI is a game of pitching. If you can master pitching, you are a top player. Now this post is about RBI... :-\
OK, we are officially locked... Things are too heated and like I asked last time if you want to discuss this issues in a civil manner please use the Anything Goes board...
I respect Blyleven's enthusiam and agree with many of his points, but I don't want this board turned into a heated policital debate. We already have a board for that (smiley)
The heart of this thread has been lost, I'll be playing the RBI Mexico ROM in awhile and start a new thread. Looks like a great GOM...