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Title: Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: sucka free on 01/09/03, 11:13:54 AM
Here is a link of the hall of famers through 1998...I'm not sure what "OT" stands for.  "VC" stands for veterans committe.  Interesting note...Jolting Joe wasn't a 1st ballot, amazing!  But Kirby Puckett was?


http://www.bostonbaseball.com/whitesox/halloffame.html
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: ericdavisfan on 01/09/03, 11:48:16 AM
That was an interesting list.  I never realized that some of those guys weren't 1st ballot HOF'ers...Like Harmon Killebrew, Cy Young (though I thought he was in the 1st class?!?), Joltin' Joe

Curious
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: sucka free on 01/09/03, 11:55:44 AM
I am at a total loss of Diamiggo not being a first ballot.  He was voted by the same sports writers in 1969 as "the greatest living player".  Lets just say that the HOF isn't a perfect system.
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: vgp100 on 01/09/03, 12:33:45 PM
Maybe that's not completely accurate. I saw Steve Carlton wasn't a first ballot pick, but I really thought he was.
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: Gantry on 01/09/03, 12:45:46 PM
There's gotta be something wrong with that list.  DiMaggio is tough enough to believe but I cannot believe that Rogers Hornsby didn't get on in his first ballot.  Must have been something odd going on back then, perhaps becaue they were electing people from previous eras in...
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: Gantry on 01/09/03, 12:47:50 PM
Also note that DiMaggio only had a four year gap between when he retired and when he got in.  Most all the first timers have a six year gap.  We need to find a better page...
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: Gantry on 01/09/03, 12:53:13 PM
Wow, guess it's true!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/hall_of_fame/first_ballot_ap/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/hall_of_fame/first_ballot_ap/)
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: sucka free on 01/09/03, 01:08:40 PM
I was very skeptical when I first saw that page and did some checking on my own.  I didn't come across that espn article, but something simillar to it.  I think they had a much higher level back then to get inducted OR not everyone voted.  Either way, hornsby and dimaggio are outragous!  Nice article link gantry
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: Gantry on 01/09/03, 01:09:54 PM
After further review, it looks like sportswriters decided to be dicks
after the HOF's first year.  Nobody between 1937 & 1961 was elected to
the HOF on their first ballot.  Jackie Robinson broke the streak in
1962...
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: sucka free on 01/09/03, 01:34:20 PM
I think it might have had something to do with preserving babe ruth's legacy....then the old writers either died or retired and a new breed took over the voting and started getting it right....I'm not sure if this is an accurate theory, but its what I have been told.  Still, baseball has a pretty interesting and storied history, unlike other professional sports.

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Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: ericdavisfan on 01/09/03, 01:45:18 PM
Good research men!  I had no idea that some of the heroes of yesterday were denied 1st ballot status.  It's kind of sad that Puckett was 1st ballot and some of those other guys weren't.  Oh well, once in the Hall...always in the Hall!
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: Vitb6 on 01/09/03, 11:39:57 PM
Those are solid articles.  What is amazing is that Babe Ruth only got 95% of the votes!!!  WTF were the other 5% thinking?  They must have been smoking some mean shit.  Either that or Babe must have slept with their wives.  QUESTION- so by this voting, since Tom Seaver got the highest % of votes (98.84), is it right to say he is the best player ever?
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: ericdavisfan on 01/10/03, 07:03:26 AM
No
Title: Re:Entire HOF listings with 1st ballots
Post by: jcbball86 on 01/10/03, 08:23:56 AM
seaver, as we all know, wasnt the best player ever, but it is safe to say he was probably the best choice that year on the ballot.