What do you guys think is the best way to throw out base runners at second? Pressing A and up arrow at same time seems to work, but there was a time where I was pressing A and down (in effect throwing to home plate) and the ball would roll to second and the runner wouldn't slide. Recently it seems that method isn't that effective. What is the conventional wisdom on this topic?
I like A and down, but I don't always remember to do it.
I think it's pretty much agreed upon here that most people prefer down + A.
Talking about throwing out baserunners is so five minutes ago.
Definitely down and A. I used to use the up and A and throw a bullet, but the hard grounder from the catcher seems to work much better.
The problem that I have is I rarely remember until a split second later. By that time, dipshit is safe.
Daily FAQ link:
http://dee-nee.com/rbi/faq.shtml#FASTBASE
I thought of this because I was looking at FAQ yesterday. I swear I saw that it said up and A at same time was best way to do it. Maybe it's like the Berenguer thing- my mind is mush.
I agree with those who say that down+A is best way, but you have to do ti right away. If you take a second to consciously do it, then he is safe. That's why I don't use it.
Yeah, you have to erase the past 15 years of up + A and allow down + A to become instinct...not an easy transition.
Especially since you typically aren't expecting a SB most of the time. Gotta stay on your toes...
Lately I've only been playing against heaven/hell, so I don't even bother throwing.
who are heaven/ hell?
Playing God (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=4047.0)
Armageddon (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=4370.0)
Heaven/Hell watch (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=4480.0)
games (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=4066.0)
i feel like down + A is actually a more natural/quicker button combination to press. maybe i'm in the minority though.
also, in regards to not expecting the basestealing, i thought there were only 6 - 8 guys actually capable of being a threat. coleman, ozzie, dykstra, raines, and gibson are the only people i ever really go for a base with.
so if one of those guys (or someone else in a leadoff spot who may be fast) is on base against me, i just stay on my toes.
Davey Lopes off Houston's bench is a threat as well.
I still haven't mastered the Down+A. Haven't had enough practice at it.
Here's the list of everyone that is at least as fast as Gibson
NAME SPEED
Colman 148
Raines 146
Lopes 146
OSmith 144
Gwynn 142
EDavis 142
Hatchr 142
Dykstr 142
McGee 140
Pettis 140
Franco 140
Gladdn 140
Burks 140
K.Bass 138
J.Cruz 138
Gibson 138
Wilson 138
Strwby 138
Tramml 138
of the guys on that list, i know that the 138's can be thrown out.
but i'm pretty sure that anyone with at least 142 who gets a good jump in unable to be thrown out. i play against new york basically daily, and i think i threw out dykstra maybe twice last semester.
142s you should throw out most of the time, Coleman is tough, Smith you can catch.
I mostly play against the computer, so I unfortunately don't have a really good perspective. I will say that if you get the maximum jump (holding up+B before the pitch starts) you can steal a base against the computer with about anyone who has 130 or better speed. The computer almost never makes a fast throw on a SB attempt, though.
In RBI 2/3, I've noticed that anyone listed in the manual as having 10 or better speed (132 is the actual value; 11 translates to 134, and so on) can steal second pretty much every time against the computer.
This may require some experimentation during my lunch break - I'll have to walk Lenny and/or Ozzie and see if I can catch them. Anybody know how the computer decides when to steal? Is it purely based on speed?
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/14/05, 11:57:26 AM
Anybody know how the computer decides when to steal? Is it purely based on speed?
In my experience, it is all based on speed, my guess is that there is some minimum requirement (like 138), then the higher the speed the more likely they are to go.
but i wonder WHEN they decide to steal too, becuase it's not on every single pitch.
Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and Ozzie are the only ones i've seen the computer try to steal with, so i've always assumed it was 144 and up.
How often they steal is a question for Nightwulf.
I'm guessing when is randomized, I've certainly seen the 142s try to steal and I'm pretty sure the 140s
See A LOT of watch games lately, the only player that I've seen attempt to steal a base is Tim Raines. (None of the other guys such as Coleman, Smith, etc. have been getting significant ABs). And it only seems like they will attempt a steal after reaching first to lead off the inning.
Here's pictures of me Catching Coleman stealing against the CPU (with Nolan Ryan pitching), note that it took a couple of tries
I guess this is the important one, don't know how to add more than 2 images to a post
If you were JoeDirt, I'd assume that you just caught Jack Clark stealing, and cheated and said it was Vince Coleman...
I did actually kind of cheat, note that picture 2 is actually from a different time I caught Vince, but it was the only picture I got, so I did it again and got the first and third picture, but decided using them all made it look better. But kind of tough for me to prove that it is Vince.
Is that with a throw home or a throw to second?
Quote from: ultimate7 on 01/14/05, 03:41:40 PM
But kind of tough for me to prove that it is Vince.
You could have staged it on a normal play that wasn't even a stolen base attempt. However, since you're not Joe Dirte and there isn't a pitcher home run involved, we believe you.
Home, you can tell because he doesn't slide.
Why would there be any doubt that it's Vince Coleman? All players in the game can be thrown out stealing second. I've thrown out Coleman many times, using both Down+A and Up+A.
It's not Vince Coleman---that runner is clearly white.
Is Joe Dirte my French alter-ego?
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/14/05, 04:49:47 PM
It's not Vince Coleman---that runner is clearly white.
Is Joe Dirte my French alter-ego?
Come on, that's how he spells it in the movie.
I don't recall that in the movie for some reason.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245686/
"My name is Joe Dirte, I added an e to the end, cause it sounds cool." It's right at the beginning of the radio interview.
The computer only steals with guys 140 or above I think. But there's no real rhyme or reason to it. They randomly run. They might go one pitch and then not the next. I don't get it. The fucked up part is that the batter is late on the pitch 90% of the time and fouls it off.
The computer always swings late, dumb bastards...
Good discussion all around...
Quote from: fightonusc on 01/14/05, 03:04:17 PM
And it only seems like they will attempt a steal after reaching first to lead off the inning.
Can't believe I missed this point earlier because it's right on. The speed demons are the only guys that steal but for some reason they only steal when they've led off an inning with a single. Just further proof that the computer is a retard.
Quote from: fknmclane on 01/17/05, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: fightonusc on 01/14/05, 03:04:17 PM
And it only seems like they will attempt a steal after reaching first to lead off the inning.
Can't believe I missed this point earlier because it's right on. The speed demons are the only guys that steal but for some reason they only steal when they've led off an inning with a single. Just further proof that the computer is a retard.
I don't believe this, i'll try and test when I get a chance, you are saying if Coleman gets a one out single with no one on, he won't try and steal?
Hmmm...Actually, I dunno. Good point. But I don't think he will.
Against STL first inning, stuck out Coleman, walked Ozzie, Ozzie took off on the first pitch.
Bump (because I wasn't around during this thread's conception)...
The way I play (And OctoFranco) I (we) steal on literally every pitch with literally every player in the game, therefore it was pretty easy to make the transition to down+A after reading the FAQ...It also makes games a bit longer, I guess it's just a pattern we got into (plus, we're both really good at run downs, on both sides...Granted, not against each other any more) and now we do Down+A any time a pitch is thrown even when the player is breaking towards 3rd or home...
Quote from: Attezzobal on 05/13/05, 02:53:11 AM
The way I play (And OctoFranco) I (we) steal on literally every pitch with literally every player in the game
You should surprise him and pick him off one of these days.
Nails, I was thinking the same thing
Nothing more satisfying than a pickoff... Just demoralizing to your opponent...
We get late breaks unless it's with 140+'s, so it's very, very tough to pick each other off, sometimes it results in a rundown, but if either of us have Vince or Ozzie or what-not, we usually pussy out and just throw to second and let them go back...
Quote from: Attezzobal on 05/13/05, 08:42:09 PM
but if either of us have Vince or Ozzie or what-not, we usually pussy out and just throw to second and let them go back...
Is this a result of a misplay or is it more of an unwritten rule between the two of you?
A little bit of both...I tend to play with the Cards much much more than Octo, and he tends to do his best to not get in a run down with Vince, like I said, we're both very good at run downs but when it comes to Vince I can usually win a rundown about 90%+ of the time, so he'll just throw to the next base and let me go back without a play on him...
Button fakes suck, and are tough to pull off online.
Yeah, I suppose nobody here would be surprised to know that I like the button-fake tactic. You know, since I am a cheater and all.
For what it's worth, you and Octo (at least based from when I played a few games against you online) play a very, very similar game, so that doesn't surprise me at all...
Nothing wrong with a button fake, I guess I'm just far too ancy during run downs and such and fall for it too often (although lately I've been getting better)
Button fake is quality....