This is not a very detailed analysis, just some thoughts that popped into my head while I was considering the differences between 1 SP and 2 SP curve style. I'm not very familiar with Straight pitch or Slurve so if anyone wants to add anything that would be good.
(I attached a text file with the same info for easy editing). My analysis is clearly biased toward Curve 1 SP, so take it with a grain of salt
Straight Pitch:
*Positives
-Easy to learn, new players can compete quickly
-High Scoring Fun
-Good for recruiting new players
*Negatives
-For competitive purposes, the game is likely all about the hitting, I'm sure fielding is important and some pitching strategy, but if you don't hit, you won't win
-Not much strategy
Slurve
*Positives
-All pitches are hittable keep the game moving and with plenty of scoring
-Like 1 SP more fielding & Baserunning opportunites
*Negatives
-Less pitching possibilities
Anything Goes (2 SP)
*Positives
-Tight Pitching match ups were each pitch can make or break a game
-Has many of the benefits of 1 SP though often to a lesser degree (Strategy exists, just less important)
*Negatives
-The game is all about pitching, if you pitch lights out, you will win fielding baserunning less important since it is less likely to get on base
-Longer learning Curve
Anything Goes (1 SP)
*Positives
-I really believe this style involves the most strategy, When to take pitcher out
-I think all aspects of the game are utilized since there are more fielding and baserunning opportunities
-Pitching strategy includes knowing how to conserve your pitcher (moreso than 2 SP)
*Negatives
-Longer learning Curve
-Maybe possible to simply over tire out pitchers to the point that pitching becomes ineffective (I don't think this is true)
You have a positive of anything goes being "all pitches hittable," just so you know. Also, I'm not sure if I agree with everyone saying that 2 SP requires less strategy than 1 SP. They obviously result in different strategies, but I wouldn't say that one is better than the other.
Thanks BeeJay, edited it and the text file, that's what happens when you cut and paste.
A good list so far, anyone have more comments about the strategy? A few revisions and we should add it to the FAQ...
the highest positive for 1SP- anything goes- is that is the way the game was meant to be played. Even if you don't play the 7 game series, it seems to be what the RBI gods want to see....
Quote from: Blyleven_No-No on 01/13/05, 10:15:55 AM
the highest positive for 1SP- anything goes- is that is the way the game was meant to be played. Even if you don't play the 7 game series, it seems to be what the RBI gods want to see....
good point. 2 sp just makes no sense to me.
Quote from: Blyleven_No-No on 01/13/05, 10:15:55 AM
the highest positive for 1SP- anything goes- is that is the way the game was meant to be played. Even if you don't play the 7 game series, it seems to be what the RBI gods want to see....
This is simply your opinion, to claim it was the way the game was meant to be played is pretty questionable.
If the RBI Gods did want you to have the ability to use the second SP during a game, they wouldn't have given you the option to select him. Whether or not you want to use that option is up to you.
I think he's referring to the fact that if you use 2 starting pitchers in one game, then advance to the next game without resetting the console, then you'll only have 2 relievers for the next game. Therefore, he's assuming that the "RBI Gods" intended to have you learn to get through one game with only one starting pitcher.
But, keep in mind that the "RBI Gods" are also a bunch of Japanese guys and one "gaijin" who apparently didn't know a lot about baseball and really kind of rushed through the project...
Still, I know that as a kid, we would almost always play 2 SP and hit the reset button between games. That's the way most other people I knew played as well. Either way, it's a bit presumptous to assume that there is one way that RBI Baseball is "meant to be played". The fact there are so many variations is why it, not soccer, is truly "The Beautiful Game".
Quote from: fightonusc on 01/13/05, 11:41:01 AM
Still, I know that as a kid, we would almost always play 2 SP and hit the reset button between games. That's the way most other people I knew played as well. Either way, it's a bit presumptous to assume that there is one way that RBI Baseball is "meant to be played". The fact there are so many variations is why it, not soccer, is truly "The Beautiful Game".
I agree with you 100%. Everyone has their own choice how to play the game. There's no right or wrong way to play it.
Also, for at least the sake of large tournaments, you have to hit reset in between games because there just isnt' enough time to have each match up be 3,5,7 games for each 3.5.7 game series...that, or, you'd only have 2 teams actually play most of the entire tourney (Bos, Det).
the way that RBI is meant to be played is on a warm summer afternoon with your buddy after playing outside all day. the sun begins to dip lower on the horizon. you both run back to your house--because you have air conditioning. you reach for that cool glass of lemonade mom just squeezed in the kitchen. condensation beads of water have gathered on the outside of the glass and you wipe your hands on your shorts before you take the controller in-hand and select st. louis, cali, boston, or detroit.
that is how RBI was meant to be played.
LOL...I agree, :D I am not saying that 2SP is the "wrong" way to play, but it certainly is not the most "natural" way to play.
Quote from: fightonusc on 01/13/05, 11:36:23 AM
If the RBI Gods did want you to have the ability to use the second SP during a game, they wouldn't have given you the option to select him. Whether or not you want to use that option is up to you.
This is true, you absolutely can use them both and then get them back in the thrid game of the series. The thing is, I am not down with resetting the console after each game, I think it takes away from momentum in a series. The reason there is a series option on the game without an option to save the game, is because it is encouraged that you keep the console on and finish the series.
Personally, it is not a series to me if you reset the console.
Despite the fact that I think 1 SP is the best and the way I have almost always played, I still have trouble with the "most natural" argument
"Most Natural" means the way the game is "naturally" played.
That is done without resetting the console, or even if you do want to reset the console for whatever reason, if you pitch both SP in the same game, you have only 2 relievers to use for the next game. It's simple.
If you play more than 1 game at a time
true. If you are just playing a single exhibition match, then it is just for fun anyway, therefore not a real competition, and I can see 2 SP being used.
I always thought the whole idea of the game was to have fun. Some people have more fun using all 4 pitchers, some only 3. There's nothing natural about it.
Dictionary.com defines "natural" as:
Not altered, treated, or disguised: i.e. natural coloring
therefore, it is fine to use two starting pitchers, just so you know that if you are playing more than one game, you have only relievers available for the following game.
Or if you want to use 2 different teams and not play again with the same teams. I also often reset the game between each games, even when play 1 SP rule, so that we can choose 2 different teams, that doesn't make it less natural
That wasn't even an argument Bly, you just defined a word and jumped to a conlcusion.
bly and i discussed this in our 3 gamer last week. obviously both of us are staunch supporters of 1 sp. however, here's where we differ. if it goes into extra innings and both relievers have no gas, then the way i play is that both guys can agree that they can use the other starting pitcher in relief. i reset the console between games, hence i can use a starter in game 2.
when i asked bly if i could bring in the other starter, bly said yes, but then i wouldn't be able to use him next game because we are not resetting the console. i decided to pinch hit anyway and take my chances with just the two relievers the next game. the game had a glich, and left my pitcher out there, even after i pinch hit for him. i was willing to take him out, but bly said i should leave him in, because we were playing anything goes. i won the game without having to go to my other starter. bly is a stand-up guy in that regard.
it was like a rules seminar.
btw, neither bly nor i had ever seen that glitch. here's a hypothesis- maybe it just glitches with schiraldi. that would be an amazing discovery by me, and would merit HUGE props on this site's FAQ page, Gantry!
That glitch used to happen quite a bit for us and isn't limited at all to Calvin, sorry. On the glitch (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/glossary.shtml#GLITCH) page in the glossary:
Fucked up substitution - A very common glitch in which you pinch hit for the pitcher, yet he's still pitching the following inning. I get this glitch about half the time I play. A somewhat rarer version of this is where you'll pinch hit for the pitcher, sub the pitcher, and the pinch hitter will still be hitting next time the pitcher is up. This glitch seems to be exclusive with the first player.
Certainly doesn't happen half the time anymore, wonder what is different about the way I used to play and now to make it more uncommon...
Speaking of strange glitches, I just had a homer robbed from me in a rom. I hit a line drive to center field, just right of the black area, clearly over the wall. Well, the ball hits the stands, falling onto the field. Then, for some reason, the center fielder threw the ball home, even though this was my leadoff hitter. I guess it wasn't all that interesting, but unusual nonetheless.
"When you really want to get into the game, get Tengen RBI Baseball."
"The only videogame licensed by the Major League Baseball Player's Association for your Nintendo!"
"It's you and the pros. Throw Roger Clemen's Heater. Flash Vince Coleman the steal sign."
"It's going, going...GONE!"
"RBI Baseball. The one the pros pitch."
Now that's fuckin' natural...
In all the years I've played, I don't think I've ever seen the substitution glitch. BeeJay, I don't fully understand what happened to you, did they call it a HR, but the ball just ended up back in play? Or did it end up being a Double?
Gantry,
No way this happens half the time. Bly and I have played thousands of games, and neither of us had ever seen it.
Respek
BARC
It literally used to happen half the time for awhile when we played in college, I'd said at least a 6 month period. Like I explained in my previous post, that is no longer the case anymore. In college I played almost exclusively California and was always player one. I'm trying to remember my pitching order back then, I wonder if that had something to do with it. Pretty sure I started Donnie Moore everytime and then went to Witt or Corbet. It was always around inning 8 or 9 when this glitch occurred. I should do some save states and break out fceud and get to the bottom of it...
But it is weird, for something that used to happen all the time I never see it anymore. Maybe once every couple of months. There has to be something with the way I ordered my pitchers or subbed my pinch hitters back then, because it really was a 50% thing...
I have no doubt that it happened so frequently. Bugs are not random; they are the result of a certain order of events under specific conditions.
I have never witnessed the substition glitch either.
Sometimes, glitches appear to happen when you play the RBI Drinking Game.
"Hey, Partsie??? Whazt Alezadner doin' there? I KNOW I subbed hiz ass out fer Willie. I need another Old Style! Dee-Nee!"
Bly No No and I were certainly not in our right minds when we witnessed this glitch, but I doubt we both were hallucinating the glitch.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 01/14/05, 08:32:20 AM
In all the years I've played, I don't think I've ever seen the substitution glitch. BeeJay, I don't fully understand what happened to you, did they call it a HR, but the ball just ended up back in play? Or did it end up being a Double?
I'm having issues explaining myself lately. The ball came back into play, while I was still on first base (I wasn't running thinking it was a HR). Then I started running to second, and the cf threw it home for some reason. I wound up with a triple.
That is strange