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WWJPW???  (Who Would Jesus Play With??)

I'm no expert here, but I personally would have played with Detroit.  But it all comes down to whether you are a better BoSox or Tigers player...

Exactly Gantry- it depends on who you are better with, and Detroit is clearly not Bly's team.  I would go Boston.

Personally I made two huge mistakes- blowing my wad with Boston early and then choosing Mets over Cal.  Leaving Cal in my back pocket will plague me for years to come.  If you sub right, you have 8 legit power sources.

Counting the days until the next NYC tourney, perhaps in April.

I don't blame Bly one bit for using Detroit.  I would have made the same choice.

So what's the story, Bly?  Big Apple mentioned your discomfort with Detroit.   Did you feel more comfortable with them than Boston?

For what it's worth, I'd have picked Detroit in that spot.  They had been a cold team overall that day, but historically they've been the best team in RBI.  It seems to me that Detroit wins most of the time when they go head to head vs Boston (oddly enough I don't think this matchup occurred during our tournament). 

Also considering I was the Mets, you really don't want to recreate the '86 series by picking Boston.  That's just setting yourself up for a fall.

I do think it was a mistake to sub out Nokes.  I know he was cold all day, and in general you don't like him, but I still consider him to be a large presence in that lineup.  Psychologically, when you see those 34 HRs, that can grate on an opposing pitcher's mind...much more than Heath's 8.

Levi and I played Detroit vs. Boston and we split.

In general, I wouldn't blame Bly for going with DET, but he doesn't like playing with them, and he had Boston on the table. 

Bly has always been a huge Heath fan and a Nokes hater, in fact he started a thread about hating Nokes a few weeks ago if you remember.

I never pinch hit for Nokes, but grew so frustrated with him in that Boston series (he was 0-7) that I did use Heath for him late in Game 2.

I think either Det or Bos would be the favorite vs NY, so he couldn't really make a wrong choice.  I would have taken Bos probably, but you have to factor in that Ojeda probaby would have done a number on the mostly righty Bos...and Det matches up pretty well against both R and L--so it was still a good choice.

Dirt, are you saying that a Right-Lefty (or vice versa) matchup favors the pitcher?  I disagree.  I think part of the reason that NY matched up w/ DET well is because Ojeda was able to shut down the dangerous lefty bats in that lineup.  I believe in the 2nd game the Mets threw a combined shutout with Ojeda going 6, Orosco going 2 and McDowell closing it out.

Opposite matchups always favor the pitcher.  Clipping the outside corner of the plate is key.

I hate Boston with a passion so I set out to find a way to beat them.  My best theory states that a good player is guaranteed to hold Boston to <3 runs with St. Louis or New York.  Testing isn't finished yet, but at this point the theory is being proved as Ojeda and Orosco do some major damage against those righty batters.

The only thing messed up with this theory is that it doesn't say anything about winning the game.  In order to win the game, you have to muster enough runs to counter Boston's 2-4 runs/game average (I can hold them to <3 about 90% of the time).

assuming we played with 1 sp rule, you would not consistently hold me under 3 runs if i boston and you were new york.  no way.  i could wait ojeda out and you couldn't string together 27 outs- i would get to a tired mcdowell late.

who are you holding under 3 runs 90% of the time... the computer?

getting back to original point, i do agree with you about oppo hand favors pitcher.

Since we've never met, it's impossible for me to make a specific judgement on whether I could hold you to under 3 runs.  However, I've consistently done this against quality players, even past COTUT participants.  Also, my strategy involves walking Armas and usually a few others depending on the situation.  This allows the easy double play and disallows guaranteed homers.

And we play all pitchers.  Just for the sake of arguing though, I don't believe I would have much trouble doing the same with Ojeda, Orosco, and McDowell since the two lefties are in that lineup.

As I said, the theory is still being tested and has a long way to go.  I have several more players I'd like to play (specifically those among the elite) before I raise the theory again.

Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/02/05, 02:15:35 PM
assuming we played with 1 sp rule, you would not consistently hold me under 3 runs if i boston and you were new york. no way. i could wait ojeda out and you couldn't string together 27 outs- i would get to a tired mcdowell late.

Smoked plays 2 SP rule and he is very good, but I agree it would be different with 1 SP.

i'm sure smoked can play, but it is a very different story with 1 sp.  at MOST you get 5 innings out of ojeda.  that means you need to get 4 combined from uncle jesse and mcdowell.  orosco will give you 2 solid, but 6 outs from mcdowell is asking a lot.

In the championship game I got a solid 6 shutout innings out of Bobby O.  Orosco and McDowell combined for 3 scoreless.  And this was against Blyleven..who's no slouch..and using Detriots lineup.  It can be done if you consistently hit your spots.

Okay, a few things: GDavis--I personally prefer to pitch to the opposite hand as the batter...but that might just be a matter of personal preference--as you are a good player who prefers just the opposite.

And as far as the Ojeda/Orosco/McDowell thing, ideally you get more than 5 out of Ojeda or more than 2 out of Orosco--both of which can be done.  The bottom line is that you need 8 combined from those two.  McDowell cannot be trusted for more than 1 inning.

But I think it can be done, no problem.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/02/05, 03:44:24 PM
Okay, a few things: GDavis--I personally prefer to pitch to the opposite hand as the batter...but that might just be a matter of personal preference--as you are a good player who prefers just the opposite.

And as far as the Ojeda/Orosco/McDowell thing, ideally you get more than 5 out of Ojeda or more than 2 out of Orosco--both of which can be done.  The bottom line is that you need 8 combined from those two.  McDowell cannot be trusted for more than 1 inning.

But I think it can be done, no problem.

If a pitcher is fatigued it's easier to go lefty vs righty because you can stay on the outside of the plate and curve em in....even at slow speeds it's a tough pitch to read.

If a pitcher is fresh I like the looong curve going away from the batter.  You can still shave the corner and it will leave the batter vulnerable to the inside pitch as well.

I think it's really interesting that people of a high level of play can have the exact opposite opinion.  That's one of the things that makes this game so great!

Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/02/05, 03:39:16 PM
at MOST you get 5 innings out of ojeda. that means you need to get 4 combined from uncle jesse and mcdowell. orosco will give you 2 solid, but 6 outs from mcdowell is asking a lot.

I have to disagree.  I've pitched up to 7 2/3 innings with Ojeda, and that's including 4-5 wasted pitches for each one of those walks I mentioned.  Of course, that's the extreme, but my point stands.  I also get more than two innings out of Orosco.

Quote from: GDavis on 02/02/05, 03:44:18 PM
In the championship game I got a solid 6 shutout innings out of Bobby O. Orosco and McDowell combined for 3 scoreless. And this was against Blyleven..who's no slouch..and using Detriots lineup. It can be done if you consistently hit your spots.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/02/05, 03:44:24 PM
And as far as the Ojeda/Orosco/McDowell thing, ideally you get more than 5 out of Ojeda or more than 2 out of Orosco--both of which can be done. The bottom line is that you need 8 combined from those two. McDowell cannot be trusted for more than 1 inning.

But I think it can be done, no problem.

NY's pitching isn't half bad if you use your pitchers wisely.  It's those blessed lefties who make them decent against a righty dominated offense.  If Ojeda or Orosco had McDowell's skill/endurance, then NY would have nothing.

Quote from: GDavis on 02/02/05, 03:48:20 PM
If a pitcher is fatigued it's easier to go lefty vs righty because you can stay on the outside of the plate and curve em in....even at slow speeds it's a tough pitch to read.

If a pitcher is fresh I like the looong curve going away from the batter. You can still shave the corner and it will leave the batter vulnerable to the inside pitch as well.

I'll agree with that.  I hope to see GDavis and Big Apple RBI Champ at the Ohio tournament.  ;D

It's all about pitch count. As has been documented, I threw a perfecto with Mike Krukow against Fryak, who's a pretty good player. The secret is to throw hittable first pitches to guys you aren't too worried about. Let weak hitters make contact and pop out - why waste stamina and pitches on them?

I initially thought BOS would be the better choice in his situation, I may have changed my mind after this result from earlier today:

Even though GDavis did a good job shutting down the DET bats with the NY pitching...I am suprised he picked the Mets over SF...I think SF is a way better hitting team and has solid pitching, better than the Mets. Is this just me or does anyone else think this?

I agree that SF is a better team than NY.  I do feel that NY has superior pitching (all around), but the hitting of NY is by far the weaker of the two.

Quote from: SmokedUBad13 on 02/02/05, 01:05:31 PM
Opposite matchups always favor the pitcher.  Clipping the outside corner of the plate is key.

I hate Boston with a passion so I set out to find a way to beat them.  My best theory states that a good player is guaranteed to hold Boston to <3 runs with St. Louis or New York.  Testing isn't finished yet, but at this point the theory is being proved as Ojeda and Orosco do some major damage against those righty batters.

The only thing messed up with this theory is that it doesn't say anything about winning the game.  In order to win the game, you have to muster enough runs to counter Boston's 2-4 runs/game average (I can hold them to <3 about 90% of the time).

This "theory" may be true, but if you are NY or STL, chances are you won't win the game anyways because you won't be able to score. I've played smokedubad and yes, he did hold Bos (me) to only 2 runs. The problem is, I beat him 2-0 because he was STL.

What good is this theory, if you can't even win the game?

I must admit that losing is the sole drawback (and a major one) of this theory.  I played an outstanding game, but just couldn't produce the runs that Boston did.  I think New York is more of a threat with Carter, Strawberry, and Hernandez.  These three give me a much better shot at getting on the scoreboard than the weaklings on St. Louis.  Therefore, the previously stated theory won't be modified because it holds true, but a better theory which actually includes winning the game should be created.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/02/05, 08:59:24 PM
I agree that SF is a better team than NY.  I do feel that NY has superior pitching (all around), but the hitting of NY is by far the weaker of the two.

SF gets no respect.  There's another RBI site out there (look in Gantry's links) that has a rule that no one can play with SF or Hou because they are "by far the worst two teams".  SF is very powerful- they have 6 or 7 legit longball threats, and Don Robinson is an underrrated curveball specialist.

I was definately considering going with SF.  Min was also a consideration.  I decided on NY because they historically perform very well in NYC tournaments.  I also think my "Mookie Stance" technique was able to throw Bly off his game.  I don't think he's encountered that before.  If Mookie or Dykstra get on, it makes it very hard to get through the middle 3 of the Mets order.

Quote from: GDavis on 02/03/05, 08:45:28 AM
I also think my "Mookie Stance" technique was able to throw Bly off his game.

What is the Mookie Stance?

Quote from: Nails on 02/03/05, 09:15:34 AM

Quote from: GDavis on 02/03/05, 08:45:28 AM
I also think my "Mookie Stance" technique was able to throw Bly off his game.

What is the Mookie Stance?

I stand all the way in the back of the batter's box with Mookie Wilson.  It maximizes his Mookieness and makes him a very tough out.

Is that the Conster Mookie stance?