Granted I'm not the biggest RBI guy here, (just look at my number of posts) but as far as I know, no one has addressed the All-RBI Team. (I man be wrong) But as Director of Public and Media Relations for the COTUT, here are my selections:
C- Nokes. if 32 HR for a catcher isn't good enough, then nothing is.
1B- Will the Thrill. I love the combo of power with the lefty bat.
2B- Whitaker. By default, I guess.
3B- Gaetti. He runs the bases fast after he hits another dong.
SS- Trammel. No comment needed.
LF- JRice. I'm biased towards Boston, but we can't have D contact here. (Gibson)
CF- CDavis- Speed Kills.
RF- Strawberry. I still think he is the best player in the game.
SP- Tudor. Has the fastest "A curve" pitch.
Stay tuned for the best lineup 1-9.
On the homepage- left side- click rankings- Gantry and co. do have rankings by position and lineup spots.
Bad job by Lips and Potsie to say Boggs at third. He's terrible. Tom Brookens is the best third baseman in the game, and doesn't get a mention.
I like Reg over Straw.
I also like GCarter over Nokes clearly.
All four guys picked Darrell Evans over Thrill. Interesting. I can't disagree. Evans power is unfathomable at times.
http://dee-nee.com/rbi/rankings.shtml
Wow. Some of their opinions seem kinda wack to me. Maybe that's the difference btwn curve and straight pitch.
I agree with Big Apple in that Boggs is a joke as best 3b. 3bers better than Boggs (IMO): Schmidt, Gaetti, Brookens, DeCinces, Mitchell.
That puts Boggs as 5th best...or "middle of the pack."
Anyway, a long long time ago in a thread far far away, we took a poll for each position to determine the best player at each position.
I'm sure ultimate7 will find it for us...
let's not include all-stars here, dirt (schmidt)
Why not? Is Schmidt not a player on the game? Let's not drag this into it again...
I'll never understand why people don't like the allstar teams. One of the very few imperfections with the game is the lack of teams--so why eliminate 20% of them right off the bat?
It's not even like they're so far better than the rest of the field...one could seriously argue that AL is only the 4th best team out of the 10...
Quote from: ultimate7 on 02/08/05, 09:28:14 AM
http://dee-nee.com/rbi/rankings.shtml
JoeD has yet another misspelled Trammell sighting...just follow the link...
Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/08/05, 11:12:35 AM
Why not? Is Schmidt not a player on the game? Let's not drag this into it again...
I'll never understand why people don't like the allstar teams. One of the very few imperfections with the game is the lack of teams--so why eliminate 20% of them right off the bat?
It's not even like they're so far better than the rest of the field...one could seriously argue that AL is only the 4th best team out of the 10...
Agreed. My roommate in college always insisted on picking one of the allstar teams, and I always smashed him with Bo, Dt, or Ca. He played me much better when he would pick one of the first 3 teams.
I can beat my girlfriend if she is the All-Star team. That is as relevant as you bringing up your college roommate.
No way is the AL the fourth best team.
Actually it is relevant because stock said the guy played much better with the first three teams.
And more importantly, our selections shouldn't be limited just because you said so. Who the fuck are you? The RBI Messiah?
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 11:08:13 AM
let's not include all-stars here, dirt (schmidt)
let's not include people from new york due to east coast bias either.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 12:41:27 PM
I can beat my girlfriend if she is the All-Star team. That is as relevant as you bringing up your college roommate.
No way is the AL the fourth best team.
Actually, my college roommate was the only person that has EVER been able to consistently beat me at straight pitch. He has just had much worse luck with the allstar teams.
Granted, this is straight pitch, but I don't think the allstar teams have that great of pitching over the other teams.
Jesus Christ, Curt Flood, pipe down. You're an angry youth.
You dropped an f-bomb on me because I suggest All-Star teams should not be included in an RBI player ranking system, you dickless wonder?
And Stock, with all due respect... straight pitch? Isn't straight pitch just like bp? You don't strike anyone out do you? Unless you throw a splitter, I can't see ever striking someone over the age of 10 out.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 01:58:38 PM
Jesus Christ, Curt Flood, pipe down. You're an angry youth.
You dropped an f-bomb on me because I suggest All-Star teams should not be included in an RBI player ranking system, you dickless wonder?
And Stock, with all due respect... straight pitch? Isn't straight pitch just like bp? You don't strike anyone out do you? Unless you throw a splitter, I can't see ever striking someone over the age of 10 out.
Dear Pussy,
First of all, fuck you. You need to invest in some bigger panties because the one's you're wearing right now are clearly cutting off the oxygen to your brain. Second, you didn't suggest that we don't include All-Stars...you
told JoeDirt not to include them. I wouldn't have said anything if you were a forum member that I actually respected or cared about...but seeing a nobody like yourself flex his RBI muscle kind of makes me laugh. Congrats on telling me off though...I'm sure that scored you some real street cred.
Go punch a wall and then quote another stupid movie, Hulkster.
Shouldn't your name be "EX Big Apple RBI Champ"?
Yeah I should change it. Believe me, I still kick myself every night for choosing to play with NYM instead of CAL. What a stupid ass move. I don't want to make excuses though, Bly No No beat me fair and square- I am just pissed at myself.
Are you going to Columbus for the big tourney?
If someone cannot win consistently with the AL All Stars, there must be something flawed with their game. . .Especially if they win consistently with the other teams. . Therefore Big Apple comment is correct and comment about Roommate is worthless.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 02:39:44 PM
Yeah I should change it. Believe me, I still kick myself every night for choosing to play with NYM instead of CAL. What a stupid ass move. I don't want to make excuses though, Bly No No beat me fair and square- I am just pissed at myself.
Are you going to Columbus for the big tourney?
I am indeed going to Columbus, but I don't expect to do well since I haven't played a human opponent in about 5 months. Are you gonna be there? If so, drag Gdavis's ass along with you.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 01:58:38 PM
And Stock, with all due respect... straight pitch? Isn't straight pitch just like bp? You don't strike anyone out do you? Unless you throw a splitter, I can't see ever striking someone over the age of 10 out.
You are clearly missing the point. I started playing RBI again in College as it was a super fun drinking game. Yes, straight pitch is like batting practice, and no not even splitters (as call them). That is the whole point.
Blasting lots of homeruns is fun when playing drinking rules. When the fuck are you supposed to drink when you play a 9 inning game with twice as many strikeouts as hits.
I am not knocking "anything goes" style of playing by any means. It is just MY OPINION that a straight pitch game (that comes down to good defense) is more fun. It is also MY OPINION that playing "anything goes" type of pitching online is unreasonable as it clearly comes down to a guessing game only. With my experience, if you don't start your swing the exact time the pitcher releases the ball in online play, you cannot hit a ball in fair territory. So, for a starting pitcher it is literally a guessing game on what pitch gets throw.
I haven't committed yet but I am thinking about it. The 2 SP rule bothers me though because my game is tailored to waiting their pitchers out, conserving my pitchers and scoring late.
I think there should definitely be some NYC representation there. Hopefully we can convince GDavis to make the trip. Maybe Bly No No and I will put the bong in the trunk and drive it. I gotta check with him.
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PM
Blasting lots of homeruns is fun when playing drinking rules. When the fuck are you supposed to drink when you play a 9 inning game with twice as many strikeouts as hits.
I am not knocking "anything goes" style of playing by any means. It is just MY OPINION that a straight pitch game (that comes down to good defense) is more fun. It is also MY OPINION that playing "anything goes" type of pitching online is unreasonable as it clearly comes down to a guessing game only. With my experience, if you don't start your swing the exact time the pitcher releases the ball in online play, you cannot hit a ball in fair territory. So, for a starting pitcher it is literally a guessing game on what pitch gets throw.
I have never played online, and I have never played the drinking game. I'm sure the drinking game is a lot of fun. I guess I'm just saying that when talking about ranking players and when discussing competitive RBI, you have to play anything goes.
Quote from: Armas the King on 02/08/05, 02:55:02 PM
If someone cannot win consistently with the AL All Stars, there must be something flawed with their game. . .Especially if they win consistently with the other teams. . Therefore Big Apple comment is correct and comment about Roommate is worthless.
No such thing as a flawed game. The code is identical for every NES game. I always seem to hit more home runs with any of the first 3 teams than Am. Am's bench is by far the worst on the game. McGwire is the only good player on that bench, and he is the X factor in every game. If McGwire has a bad showing, Am is almost alway beatable.
Oh, and screw you about my "worthless" rommate comment. You obviusly missed the point. My point was, if Am is soooo good, why are they usually not competetive even when the ball is pitched right down the middle every time.
Go to Nightwulf's editor and check the code yourself. Am is statistically the 4th best team in power. It is not by coincidence that Am is usually outperformed by more powerfull teams.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PM
Blasting lots of homeruns is fun when playing drinking rules. When the fuck are you supposed to drink when you play a 9 inning game with twice as many strikeouts as hits.
I am not knocking "anything goes" style of playing by any means. It is just MY OPINION that a straight pitch game (that comes down to good defense) is more fun. It is also MY OPINION that playing "anything goes" type of pitching online is unreasonable as it clearly comes down to a guessing game only. With my experience, if you don't start your swing the exact time the pitcher releases the ball in online play, you cannot hit a ball in fair territory. So, for a starting pitcher it is literally a guessing game on what pitch gets throw.
I have never played online, and I have never played the drinking game. I'm sure the drinking game is a lot of fun. I guess I'm just saying that when talking about ranking players and when discussing competitive RBI, you have to play anything goes.
Agree. I do like to play anything goes every once in a while. (just not suitable for online play). I would also like to say that it takes more tallent to play an anything goes type of game. However, that is like comparing softball to baseball. Very different games.
From my experience, those that are better at "anything goes" have better concentration and are better contact hitters that succeed by playing small ball. Better at hitting balls the other way,and laying off knucklers.
I believe people that are better at "straight pitch" are better home run hitters. (there is a technique to hitting home runs).
Screw me? Where is the RBI brotherhood?
I think Armas was saying your game is flawed meaning you personally have flaws in your game, not the cartridge.
McGwire has HUGE power, but other guys can do some serious damage. Bell and Canseco have huge power and I love Donnie Baseball (but I am biased as he is my favorite all-time player). Lead off Big Mac for Randolph- that is almost an impossible lineup to get through. You have to hope that Brett and Ripken do nothing, because those are the only gys to pitch to.
what is the technique to hitting home runs? i wish i knew. i am a great pitcher but have trouble scoring runs.
To hit home runs, I think it helps to be moving forward and put the fat part of the bat on the ball. It just seems to work better for me. . .I bet everyone has their own methods. Agree that it is easier to dominate with pitching.
Armas is somewhat right. You maximize your power by pulling balls and hitting them on the sweet part of your bat. Any hit that does not get pulled or hit the sweet spot, will get the "contact" number subtraced from their power number.
I wasn't saying screw you. This was directed at Armas..... though nothing I post on here is really as personal as it may sound ;D
I always try to pull it, but recently I have considered trying to go to center field. I figure that way if the speed somewhat fools me, I won't pull it way foul like I tend to do on changeups.
Obviously you want to hit it on the fat part of the bat. Not sure if moving up in the box helps.
As far as I know, there is no optimal place to stand in the box. Maybe it is easier for some people to make contact with the sweet spost staning in certain places, but that is just preference.
Nightwulf would know for sure.
Sorry, didnt mean you were worthless, and I guess saying the comment was worthless was a bit strong. . .I was more agreeing with Big Apple that the comment was not valid. . .But that is my opinion.
np prob Armas. Probably wasn't a valid comment since nobody on this forum knows the ability level of my "roomate"/friend.
Can't argue with the fact that Am is the 4th best power team though.
Even if you optimize the lineups with subs (to get the best power hitters for your lineup 1-8, Am still takes a modest 4th place.
1. Bo 880
2. Dt 874
3. Ca 872
4. Am 865
5. Na 864
6. SF 850
7. Mn 847
8. NY 829
9. SL 810
10. Ho 797
Also, if you look at the top 20 power hitters in the game, 3 are on the Am roster. This is the same as Dt and Mn. Bo actaully has 4 in the top 20.
I caught this whole conversation late--but there are so many posts I must quote from and respond to that my head is spinning...and I'm not even done reading 'em.
Big Apple---Donnie Baseball was by far my favorite player as a kid (and still is today). So now you bastards have to come to the tourney.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 12:41:27 PMNo way is the AL the fourth best team.
Personally, I agree with you. I was just saying that "one could seriously argue that AL is only the 4th best team out of the 10."
That is to say that the argument would be valid; not that I'd personally agree with it.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 02:39:44 PM
Are you going to Columbus for the big tourney?
Do you guys now see the power of the tourney? This simple question stopped your war and got you both to talk like the civilized dee nee members that you are.
This thing officially has a life of its own (unlike me :( )
Quote from: CurtFlood on 02/08/05, 03:11:43 PM
I am indeed going to Columbus, but I don't expect to do well since I haven't played a human opponent in about 5 months.
Why not start practicing online? It will definitely make a difference.
Quote from: CurtFlood on 02/08/05, 03:11:43 PM
Are you gonna be there? If so, drag Gdavis's ass along with you.
...might as well throw Bly No No in, too so you guys can pretty much sweep the prize money, right? Plus hotel will be cheaper (unless you're sleeping in malnu's car, too).
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PM
Blasting lots of homeruns is fun when playing drinking rules. When the fuck are you supposed to drink when you play a 9 inning game with twice as many strikeouts as hits.
Just fuckin' say everytime you strike out, you drink. How hard is that? ???
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PM
I am not knocking "anything goes" style of playing by any means. It is just MY OPINION that a straight pitch game (that comes down to good defense) is more fun.
I really hope you're not saying that defense is more important in straight pitch...that would be just nuts to say.
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PM
It is also MY OPINION that playing "anything goes" type of pitching online is unreasonable as it clearly comes down to a guessing game only. With my experience, if you don't start your swing the exact time the pitcher releases the ball in online play, you cannot hit a ball in fair territory.
This IS just nuts to say...and highly inaccurate.
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:16:55 PMSo, for a starting pitcher it is literally a guessing game on what pitch gets throw.
Isn't this what real baseball comes down to, anyway? With the exception of Mariano Rivera, isn't it generally accepted that if the batter knew what pitch was coming, he'd have the great advantage? That isn't to say the baseball or RBI come down to simple luck of guessing, but isn't the head game/chess match up between the pitcher and batter a big part of the fun (of baseball and RBI)?
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 03:18:09 PM
I haven't committed yet but I am thinking about it. The 2 SP rule bothers me though because my game is tailored to waiting their pitchers out, conserving my pitchers and scoring late.
I know I've said this a thousand 1000 times, but if you just practice with 2 SP with GDavis and Bly No No, you'll adjust without any issue. Recall, I was a dead on only 1 SP pitcher until the COTUT and I didn't have an issue. And I now think 2 SP is as good as, if not better than 1 SP.
Also, having great experience at both, it is my opinion that waiting out pitchers is just as important (if not moreso) than 1 SP. I also submit that 1 SP takes less offensive ability because of the simple fact that often a pitcher will be forced to toss the ball over the plate without movement.
I also submit that 2 SP levels the playing field of the teams. Let's face it, Krukow and Big Daddy cannot go enough innings for 1 SP...they aren't nearly as good in 1 SP because of this...same for Ca. In 2 SP, these teams can compete with Bo, Dt, etc.
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 02/08/05, 03:18:09 PM
I think there should definitely be some NYC representation there. Hopefully we can convince GDavis to make the trip. Maybe Bly No No and I will put the bong in the trunk and drive it. I gotta check with him.
For sure, join! We're trying to get the best of the best and I think the three of you can do some damage.
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Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:28:24 PM
From my experience, those that are better at "anything goes" have better concentration and are better contact hitters that succeed by playing small ball. Better at hitting balls the other way,and laying off knucklers.
Curve players generally don't play "small ball." Most runs still come via the HR. You make it sound like we're bunting everytime we get a runner on first just to get the one run it'd take to win the game.
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 03:28:24 PM
I believe people that are better at "straight pitch" are better home run hitters. (there is a technique to hitting home runs).
This sounds so retarded. Think about it, you admit that straight is like batting practice, but then say that batting practice hitters are better HR hitters? It's clearly easier to hit HRs with straight, but that doesn't mean straight players are better HR hitters.
Quote from: stockw19 on 02/08/05, 04:52:18 PM
1. Bo 880
2. Dt 874
3. Ca 872
4. Am 865
5. Na 864
6. SF 850
7. Mn 847
8. NY 829
9. SL 810
10. Ho 797
What are these numbers? Are they the average power rating for the optimal 8 man line up per team?
Yes, I am pretty sure avg. power numbers using the best possible line-up with subs. For example for Am I used mac, don, bell, jose, cal, baines, brett, and schrdr. I left seitzer, paul, and julio on the bench. (seitzer & schrdr have the same power numbers.)