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I gotta go with Burks.  He's a complete player.  Subbed for Barrett, he can get on base, swipe a couple and hit for power.  Great, great player.

Hendu is a close second while Armas is a distant third.  He's too one-dimensional.  All or nothing with ZERO speed. Gotta be quick on the basepaths.

Hendu's on my straight pitch team, and has performed like a beast.  But i'd have to give the vote to Burks.  Better power than Hendu, and great wheels.

The temtation to vote for option #5 was great, but I resisted.  And Sullivan isn't a viable option.

Who needs speed when you just hit the ball 500 feet?  I pick Turbo Tony.

Tim Dog all the way.

Armas is just too fucking streaky for my tastes.  He has the big bat but he just lays too many eggs for my taste.  He can win a game on his own, but he can also get that DP three times.  Burks by a slim margin, Hendu pretty far behind for third.  Sullivan is ass...

Gimme Tim Burks on this all day, every day. Armas is a double play just waiting to happen. Hendu is underrated, but definitely your third option. Sullivan gobbles knobs, that is all...

When I voted for Burks, who has way too much power in RBI, the poll didn't turn into a hand shape.  This poll clearly isn't as good as the Detroit one.

I can't believe no one has voted for the fif option on either of these puhls.  Very strange.

fine.

Quote from: USCJay on 03/22/05, 02:16:57 AM
When I voted for Burks, who has way too much power in

Any power is too much since he shouldn't even be in RBI.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/22/05, 03:02:54 PM

Quote from: USCJay on 03/22/05, 02:16:57 AM
When I voted for Burks, who has way too much power in

Any power is too much since he shouldn't even be in RBI.

How so?  He played in '87

I gotta go with Armas.
If I need a homerun, this is the only option.
Singles are for pussies. That's why Armas is no pussy and never will be.

Quote from: BDawk on 03/22/05, 03:56:32 PM
I gotta go with Armas.
If I need a homerun, this is the only option.
Singles are for pussies. That's why Armas is no pussy and never will be.

Just goes to show how wild this game can be.

I've never had much luck with Armas.  I always would put him in, but never could rely on him.

This is similar for the one and only Potoatoes Jackson --- I just don't do well with him.

Gotta go with Timmy's speed and power.  I was down on him since he was nonexistent for 3/4 of the straight pitch season but he finally came out of it and restored my faith in him.

Quote from: Ryno on 03/22/05, 04:17:22 PM
I've never had much luck with Armas. I always would put him in, but never could rely on him.

This is similar for the one and only Potoatoes Jackson --- I just don't do well with him.

Yeah, but really, are you good with any players?  Seriously.  You sorta suck, pal.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/22/05, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Ryno on 03/22/05, 04:17:22 PM
I've never had much luck with Armas. I always would put him in, but never could rely on him.

This is similar for the one and only Potoatoes Jackson --- I just don't do well with him.

Yeah, but really, are you good with any players?  Seriously.  You sorta suck, pal.

who you callin' pal?

Quote from: Ryno on 03/22/05, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/22/05, 03:02:54 PM

Quote from: USCJay on 03/22/05, 02:16:57 AM
When I voted for Burks, who has way too much power in

Any power is too much since he shouldn't even be in RBI.

How so? He played in '87

Burks was not on the '86 roster, which is what Boston is supposed to be.

a non-denial, i notice...

Quote from: Nails on 03/22/05, 06:49:19 PM

Quote from: Ryno on 03/22/05, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/22/05, 03:02:54 PM

Quote from: USCJay on 03/22/05, 02:16:57 AM
When I voted for Burks, who has way too much power in

Any power is too much since he shouldn't even be in RBI.

How so? He played in '87

Burks was not on the '86 roster, which is what Boston is supposed to be.

Armas wasn't on their roster either. . .  ..was he?

Yes, but he didn't have 43 homers that year...

http://baseball-reference.com/a/armasto01.shtml

http://baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1986.shtml

Damn, they shoulda put Greenwell on RBI.

He even got some PT in the post season.

Armas. It's no contest.

If you put him in the 8 spot, speed doesn't matter for shit anyway, and he'll get you 4-5 free runs a game by cleaning up all the crap that's left over before the pitcher comes to bat. Dale Murphy and Harry Spilman do the same thing in my lineups, although Murphy isn't quite so damn slow.

I always have Burks as my leadoff man, but Armas can change the whole game. Not too many places where you can go from a guy that flat-out sucks and has one home run (Owen) to a guy with 43.

I love all the different variations, of RBI - it's time for a new poll...

I am very surprise by the results.
For me it is ARMAS hands down!  I hit more bombs with him than I do with any other player on the game.

In our Str8 pitch league, Armas was drafted 13th overall and Burks was drafted 23rd overall.

I just think Burks is more of a complete player.  Armas is too much in the mold of an all or nothing hitter.  Burks has the power to go yard at any time but also the speed to take two when necessary.  Armas is the king of the dp.

I can't believe that Armas had 18 career SB's.  Perhaps in the 80's they used StB to refer to stolen bases, and his 18 career SB's refer to in-game Sushi Buffets.

I too am surprised Armas doesn't get as much love.  Of course I like Burks better but I am nonetheless surprised...

In Any case, Bucknr has to go.  He has the 4th worst batting numbers on the team, and is tied for being the slowest on the team.  Whether you bat Armas first and Burks second or vice versa, leaving Bucknr in is suicide.

at one point i woulda voted hendu, cause he's hit many a shot for me in ATG. 

however later on i started to keep boggs in and that put the clamps on using the big 3 all the time.  so now its armas or hendu leading off with Burks 2nd. Save the other huge bat for a key spot and use sullivan when needed.

Quote from: TBT on 08/02/05, 10:04:42 AM

however later on i started to keep boggs in and that put the clamps on using the big 3 all the time. so now its armas or hendu leading off with Burks 2nd. Save the other huge bat for a key spot and use sullivan when needed.

I'm starting to think this is the way to go.  I have always left Buckner in and PH for Barret and Owen, but whenevert the hell I get to play a 2 player game again and use Bo, I may PH for Barret and Buckner and leave Owen in and see how that works.

I like leading off with Armas, batting burks second, and putting Hendu in for Owen.  The only problem w/ boston is their bench is pretty much depleted right out of the box.  I have hit many walk-offs with Sully, but for the most part he does shit.

You would think leading off with Burks would be more intuitive (since he is much faster and more of a typical leadoff batter), but Armas is a definite DP if he hits a grounder after a Burks single.  Vice-versa it is a little more difficult to turn 2 with Burks running down the first base line.
Some people don't like wasting a huge bat in the 8 hole since it is an automatic intentional walk, however that doesn't bother me.  If there is less than 2 outs, I usually bunt w/ the pitcher spot anyway.  Then I have a runner in scoring position for Armas.

i leave owen in a lot myself.  im never in a hurry to pinch hit for the #8 guys.  just probably end up as an intentional walk anyways.  if a good situation comes up i may throw sullivan in there, but i usualy keep hendu/armas around for late PH AB possibility.

bases loaded and less than 2 outs i'd maybe sub in hendu at #8 mid game if it can benefit me like geting my opponent to bring in a new pitcher maybe an inning or 2 ahead of time.  other than that or a situation very late in the game, no decent power will reside at the #8 spot for me.

stock, burks goes into 2nd spot for the same reason.  let armas not ground into a DP.  at least burks has a shot at beating it out.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 08/02/05, 10:07:07 AM

Quote from: TBT on 08/02/05, 10:04:42 AM

however later on i started to keep boggs in and that put the clamps on using the big 3 all the time. so now its armas or hendu leading off with Burks 2nd. Save the other huge bat for a key spot and use sullivan when needed.

I'm starting to think this is the way to go.  I have always left Buckner in and PH for Barret and Owen, but whenevert the hell I get to play a 2 player game again and use Bo, I may PH for Barret and Buckner and leave Owen in and see how that works.

I guess it depends on the situation... Hendu has a lot of power to leave on the bench all game, but I guess if you put him in for Spike, he'll probably just get walked anyway (so you lose the PH bonus).  Maybe if Spike comes in with 2 outs and no one on his first time up, it's better to let him end the inning, saving Hendu's PH bonus for a spot when he can do more good (less than two out so you can sacrifice with the pitcher, ideally with runners on).

I haven't seen Hendu getting walked all that much in the 8 spot, but you might as well have him in there IMHO instead of getting outs all game with Spike Owen.  It's been awhile since I've used him, but last time I checked he is a bag of ass.  Can he slap singles or go lefty-hit? 

To me you gotta get Owen out of there...

I think it was stock that said he always puts hendu in 8th, looks for the walk then bunts with the pitcher.  this is sound strategy cause if he can pull this off 3 times in a game, then he's more than likely to get burks, armas and boggs a 4th at bat in the game and maybe a 5th.

ive thought about this ploy many times, but just pass on it.

I think that still makes sense.  A walk is still much better than an out.  I mean, we are talking about Spike Owen here.  The guy doesn't get on base, and you gotta get him out of there.  If you don't, you are talking two anchors at the bottom of the order...

Not to mention that the more walks you take, the more adept you'll become at moving the runner with the pitcher.  That and you are forcing the pitcher to give him something to hit or continually waste four pitches to get a player on base.  It may not seem like much but 4 pitches is 10% of a typical starter's stamina and over 25% of a relievers.  Now you take a pitch or two with the pitcher and you are at a minimum wearing your opponents' staff down...

Get Spike from Degrassi Jr. High out of there and make sure she takes her baby with her... 

Quote from: TBT on 08/02/05, 10:29:08 AM
stock, burks goes into 2nd spot for the same reason.  let armas not ground into a DP.  at least burks has a shot at beating it out.

I thought that is what I said.  Maybe I need to put more time into my posts so they make sense.

Quote from: Stock on 08/02/05, 11:15:49 AM

Quote from: TBT on 08/02/05, 10:29:08 AM
stock, burks goes into 2nd spot for the same reason.  let armas not ground into a DP.  at least burks has a shot at beating it out.

I thought that is what I said.  Maybe I need to put more time into my posts so they make sense.

You did make sense.  TBT was agreeing with you.

Quote from: BeefMaster on 08/02/05, 12:00:46 PM

Quote from: Stock on 08/02/05, 11:15:49 AM

Quote from: TBT on 08/02/05, 10:29:08 AM
stock, burks goes into 2nd spot for the same reason.  let armas not ground into a DP.  at least burks has a shot at beating it out.

I thought that is what I said.  Maybe I need to put more time into my posts so they make sense.

You did make sense.  TBT was agreeing with you.

"Where's my helmet?"

I need to go to sunny Cleveland now   :'(

Goodbye.

I miss the old days where i batted armas, burks, hendu, rice, baylor.  thats was a str8 retarded line-up.   if natester still plays me tonight, i might break it out.

In my mind, this is clear cut--Burks.

Burks for sure.  he's the reggie jackson of right handed pinch hitters.

Burks by a slim margin

Burks HR/game 7, Runs/game 20, average .525, slg 1.175
Armas HR/game 8, Runs/game 18, average .506, slg 1.147

I proudly voted for Tony Armas.  While Burks is a stud who is an extra-base hit machine, Tony Tits & Ass is phenomenally consistent in slugging bombs even long after the PH bonus is gone.  And I'm the kind of guy who prefers home runs over doubles.

Also how the hell does Stinky have more votes than Hendu?  Surely that was a joke...

Timmy to the house, although they are all rightys and rightys all suck anyway

did anybody notice that Henderson's name begins with "H"?

just saying . . .