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This actually a tough one.  In my opinion, all four guys are pretty much equal.

Madlock and Heath are both righties with above average power and Sheridan and Bergman are lefties with above average power.

I think situational subbing is the answer with this crew.  I'll usually choose Madlock or Sheridan to hit for Herndon at the 5 spot depending on the pitcher I'm facing.

If I had to go with one guy to win a game, I think Madlock would be the choice.  Like Gantry, I prefer lefties, but Madlock has always been the shit for me.  I even used to sub him for Brookens.

You have Bergman on there twice.....  No love for Mike Heath?  Or is he the dingleberry option?

(http://dee-nee.com/rbi/pics/sheridan.jpg)

Pat Sheridan is always clutch.

Thanks Nails.  If you haven't noticed, I tend to be a bit slow.

Let's hope this promotes a little more RBI discussion.

I like leaving the regulars in and pick my spots when I need a bomb. . . . . . Madlock is by far the top PH for Det ---- for me anyway.

To me this is no contest, Pat Sheridan is a men among boys here.  The dee-nee crew just has never got the full love out of Bill Madlock...

Madlock is a token PH homer for me, almost every game. You gotta love the Mad Dog...

Now that I voted for heath, the poll looks like a hand.  The guy's probably not really as good as I think he is, but I seem to remember his homers more than the others.

I feel that I represent the curve community as well as anybody--and in my professional opinion, Madlock is by far the best on the Dt bench.

For curve, Heath is next; Sheridan is so-so and 3rd; and Bergman is better than the pitcher...

Because this differs from the Straight pitch community's opinion so greatly, I, unlike most others, believe that contact plays a bigger factor than we acknowledge.

Madlock being good is a myth. Very overrated.
I voted for sheridan, but love bergman. Bergman usually starts in place of the other most overrated player on the team, Lou Whitaker.
Fuck Whitaker!

Pat Sheridan for president...

Madlock always crushes the ball for me. He's a huge step up over Herndon.

Sheridan is pretty close, though. I'll usually put one in for Herndon and the other in for Whitaker, who's way overrated in my opinion.

This is a tough one.  It ALWAYS comes down to the situation for me.  If it is a double play situation, I put in Sheridan since he is less likely to ground into a double play.  Any other situation I use Madlock.  I voted for Madlock since it seems I hit many more homers with him, and if I had the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th w/ 2 outs, I would pick Madlock 10/10 times.

Quote from: capt_taco on 03/23/05, 06:36:47 AM
Sheridan is pretty close, though. I'll usually put one in for Herndon and the other in for Whitaker, who's way overrated in my opinion.

I am surprised by this.  Sweet Lou always does very well for me.  I have never even thought about taking him out of the line-up before.  Does anybody else do this?

I never take Whitaker out either.  He's always been very productive for me, which is why I had no problems trading Sheridan for him in the straight pitch league.  He's no Kirk Gibson or anything, but always comes through with big hits.

BDawk LOVES Lou Whitaker.  Can't get enough of the guy.  He bows at the altar of Lou.

In all honesty, Lou doesn't have a whole lot going for him other than the fact that he's a leftie with some pop.  Compare him with the rest of the #7 hitters in the game and he's a fucking stud.

I usually replace Lou with Heath when the SP is a righty...and leave Lou in when SP is lefty...

Actually, not "usually," but always.

Quote from: fknmclane on 03/25/05, 09:08:46 AM
BDawk LOVES Lou Whitaker.  Can't get enough of the guy.  He bows at the altar of Lou.

In all honesty, Lou doesn't have a whole lot going for him other than the fact that he's a leftie with some pop.  Compare him with the rest of the #7 hitters in the game and he's a fucking stud.

He's a good bunter, that's the only compliment I can give the fucker. And by good bunter, I mean I'm talking out my ass because everyone bunts the same

I like Madlock for Herndon for the duration of the game.  I save Sheridan for a clutch homer.  I've been known to insert him for the likes of Matty Nokes in a key situation sometimes.  Nokes disappoints in most AB's for me, but Sheridan RARELY disappoints in his first off the bench.  I can understand the lefty factor and subbing Sheridan for Herndon, but Madlock has always done well for me!

Mad Dick drops bombs in the five spot, but only after Sherry drops them first.. yeah that's right, I sub Sherry for Nokes. back to back homers every time.

That's crazy talk. Why waste Sheridan on a solo home run when you can bring him in for Whitaker and hopefully get a two or three-run bomb out of him?

what would he clean up? lemon is an out or a home run....but sweet lou gets the job done anyway.

I think it is crazy to sub nokes or sweet lou.  2 lefties with pop.  Nokes is one of the best lefties on the game (as far as hitting homers goes).  Dt is one of the best teams since they are the only team on the game where you can have a kickass line-up by only using 1 sub (mad dog for herndn).  Then you get 3 ABs in a game with a stud in the 9-hole.

I too am surprised, but can see the rationale if you don't like lefties.  But a bergram for Nokes/Whitaker doesn't happen much around these parts.  I think it's time to give Mad Dog ABs for 4-5 games in a row to re-evaulate.  In our eyes, Sheridan is tons better but we've been wrong before.  Well, at least Lipitz has...

nokes=ass

Quote from: Ryno on 03/29/05, 12:17:27 PM
nokes=ass

Nokes' ass = sexxxy

Quote from: Gantry on 03/29/05, 11:46:42 AM
I too am surprised, but can see the rationale if you don't like lefties.  But a bergram for Nokes/Whitaker doesn't happen much around these parts.  I think it's time to give Mad Dog ABs for 4-5 games in a row to re-evaulate.  In our eyes, Sheridan is tons better but we've been wrong before.  Well, at least Lipitz has...

Wasn't meant to be a knock on Sheridan.  He is very good too.  Against a team full of righties I will also used Sheridan for Herndn at times.  I just seem to hit more homers with mad.

Quote from: fightonusc on 03/29/05, 12:21:20 PM

Quote from: Ryno on 03/29/05, 12:17:27 PM
nokes=ass

Nokes' ass = sexxxy

I want to fuck Matt Nokes in the butt. . . .  . . . .  ???


I used to think that any 88 Matt Nokes card was a "good" card. ... . .  . .


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i believe madlock is the best pinch-hitter for Dt.  I am fond of sweet lou, and i think people's animosity towards him left him available for draft in our fantasy league, he was my 2nd baseman, and he's wearing a ring to prove his worth, gentlemen.

In my RBI culture, playing the game as Detroit is illegal.  But, I do have some familiarity, and I have to go with Madlock.  I, too, prefer lefties, but Madlock just seems to come up clutch when called upon to do so.  Heath is pretty close as well.

Rank by Power:
DaEvns   951-L
Brookn   897-R
Gibson   894-L
Lemon   882-R
Nokes   852-L
Madlck   849-R
Whitkr   837-L
Tramml   831-R
Shrdan   831-L
Heath   819-R
Bergmn   789-L
Herndn   759-R

Rank by Power - Contact
DaEvns   922-L
Gibson   874-L
Brookn   863-R
Lemon   861-R
Madlck   835-R
Nokes   834-L
Tramml   825-R
Whitkr   812-L
Shrdan   803-L
Heath   803-R
Bergmn   766-L
Herndn   749-R


This being said.  Herndn is a no brainer to put on the bench.  He has the least power on the entire team (on a good and bad swing).
Madlock has the most power for a pinch hitter (18 more points than Shrdan, and 32 more than Sheridan on a bad swing).
I go with the numbers and put in Mad Dog.
However, Shrdan does have an advantage being a Lefty and he has a 6 pt speed advantage.  If Herndn comes up in a double play situation, I can see why you might want Shrdan instead.

Quote from: Nacho on 03/30/05, 09:56:37 PM
In my RBI culture, playing the game as Detroit is illegal.  But, I do have some familiarity, and I have to go with Madlock.  I, too, prefer lefties, but Madlock just seems to come up clutch when called upon to do so.  Heath is pretty close as well.

illegal..as in they're too good? One might argue that they're the third best team in the game.

Quote from: BDawk on 03/31/05, 08:35:37 AM

Quote from: Nacho on 03/30/05, 09:56:37 PM
In my RBI culture, playing the game as Detroit is illegal.  But, I do have some familiarity, and I have to go with Madlock.  I, too, prefer lefties, but Madlock just seems to come up clutch when called upon to do so.  Heath is pretty close as well.

illegal..as in they're too good? One might argue that they're the third best team in the game.

I consider Bo, Ca, and Dt as equalls.  Bo has the best power, but have no good lefties.  Dt is also full of power houses but is very slow and can get into DP trouble at times.  Ca, although not as powerfull as Dt or Bo seems to be more consistent.

Am takes a very close 4th.  Yes Mac is good in the 1 spot, but is slow and can be streaky.  The problem is, the rest of their bench is not really any better than the other bad players in the lineup.  If you can weather 1-5, 6-9 will not get you much production.

The AL All-Stars are the most overrated team in the game.  They suck, plain and simple.  I hate that team.

I started a thread about their shittiness but can't seem to find it.

Quote from: fknmclane on 03/31/05, 12:07:36 PM
The AL All-Stars are the most overrated team in the game.  They suck, plain and simple.  I hate that team.

I started a thread about their shittiness but can't seem to find it.

So would you agree with my ranking then that they are 4th and 5th best on the game?  Although, there are times where I can explode with Mn.  (Laudnr is my x-factor for that team).

NL
Dt
Bo
Ca
Sf
AL
NY
Mn
Sl
Ho

Quote from: fknmclane on 03/31/05, 02:35:03 PM
NL
Dt
Bo
Ca
Sf
AL
NY
Mn
Sl
Ho

Ca
Bo
Dt
Am
Na
Mn
SF
NY
SL
Ho

Although, several of these I could flip depending on how that team has been doing for me lately.

You are the first (and probably only) person here who actually thinks Am is better than Na!

NL
Bo
Dt
AL
Ca
Sf
Mn
Stl
Ho

I'd like to move Ca ahead of the AL team, but the two hJorge, hJose and Big Mac are a fearsome three-pack (plus, I'd much, much rather have to turn to Righetti or Henke out of the pen than Corbett or Moore).

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/31/05, 05:00:38 PM
You are the first (and probably only) person here who actually thinks Am is better than Na!

These probably could be flipped.  Na is either hot or Cold for me though.  Too many guys are sub worthy on that team though and Kruk and Gwynn blow ass.  (sandberg, santiago, gallaraga, and pedrique).  Sure, you can put murphy/guerrero in for two of those guys.  But in all honesty, there are just too many holes in that order.  Al has the below average 8 spot, but then Mac Goes in the 1 spot and the rest of the line up is ok.  Baines kinda sucks, but he gets some clutch lefty hits for me..... sorry, I am flipping back to Am ahead of Na again.

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/31/05, 09:19:29 PM
Sure, you can put murphy/guerrero in for two of those guys. But in all honesty, there are just too many holes in that order.

I cannot believe somebody describes this line up as having "too many holes:"

Raines
Guerrero
Murph
Dawson
Davis
Schmidt
Kruk
Gwynn

I don't see any holes...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/31/05, 10:03:17 PM

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/31/05, 09:19:29 PM
Sure, you can put murphy/guerrero in for two of those guys. But in all honesty, there are just too many holes in that order.

I cannot believe somebody describes this line up as having "too many holes:"

Raines
Guerrero
Murph
Dawson
Davis
Schmidt
Kruk
Gwynn

I don't see any holes...

Let's break it down.
1. Raines/Mac- Yes Raines is very good, but I cannot even count how many 5-dinger games I have had with McGwire.
2.  Guerrero/Mattingly - Guerrero is OK, but is no Donnie Baseball.
3.  Murphy/Belle - Murphy gets the advantage in the first ab of the game, but then power man 5000 runs away with it.
4.  Dawson/Canseco - Dawson gets this one, although he only has 3 more power points than hjose.
5.  Davis/Ripken - Davis gets this on.
6.  Schmidt/Baines - Schmidt I hit more dingers with, but Baines always comes in clutch for me with a runner on 1st.
7.  Kruk/Brett- Kruk wins on the first AB, but then his power goes to shit.  Brett is far better over the course of a game.
8.  Gwynn/Shroeder - Gwynn has as much power as Pedrique; he is ass.

So the way I see it, the score is 8-3 (with the 4 spot being damn near a tie).  Plus, I have 3 guys on the bench when I need their power boost in the pitcher's spot in a key situation.  You have zero.
That being said, I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say Am is a notch better than Na.

I think it's a huge stretch to say that Am is a notch better than Na.  I suspect that this dispute is a function of you playing straight pitch and me anything goes.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/01/05, 08:04:39 AM
I think it's a huge stretch to say that Am is a notch better than Na.  I suspect that this dispute is a function of you playing straight pitch and me anything goes.

Sure, I can see that (maybe).  Na does have more speed overall, which does help the station to station game.  I am more concerned with power than speed though.  I also like to have at least a couple of guys on the bench.  With your lineup there are none for Na.

Na's 1-6 is by far better than any 1-6 in the game (with my proposed line up above).  Kruk admitedly is not a stud, but he's a "b" kinda player...as is Gwynn.    If you had to have a PH, you could leave Gallaraga in and use Kruk/Gwynn off the bench.

Am, on the other hand, only has a solid 1-4 (McG, Matt, Bell, hJose)...but after that, there's a big drop off.  Ripken should be a stud, but just isn't.

And another factor (probably not for you, however) is that Na's pitching is clearly better than Am's.

I agree with you on the pitching....not so much on the hitting.

So you think there's a better 1-6 in the game?  If so, who?

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/01/05, 11:32:33 AM
So you think there's a better 1-6 in the game?  If so, who?

I think the Al has a better 1-3 and 7-8 and #4 is pretty close to even.
I am just looking at the whole picture.  I agree that Na might have an edge in "anything goes", but not in straight pitch.

I am not saying Bo's 1-6 is better, but close (Burks, Armas, Boggs, Rice, Baylor, DwEvns).

Okay, as long as the distinction is made that you're talking straight.  For curve, there's no two ways about it--Na is by far the best team in the game.