The New Release of RBI 2002
Get it now & replace your old one with this one. What's new?
[salesman voice]
Lineups are set to the 2002 season. Big boost to SF fans - now Bonds has Kent, Bell & Sanders to help him in the lineup (he'll need it with that pitching!) You can free Durazo instead of Grace! Replay the playoffs.
Ratings are better. You don't have to worry about 88 MPH sinkers, or 10 guys having a better power rating than Reggie or DaEvns (just Bonds). By the way what is Bonds' ratings? You'll know, because they're all included in the zip file!
The rom is smaller - only 97K! Everything was hacked into the smaller rom. Yes you have an extra 160K for more roms on your HD. ;)
This will answer the age old question - if RBI Baseball was made today - what would it look like? Or answer your own questions. Can anyone beat the Yankees? Can the Angels win without a rally monkey? How many Cali teams can you fit on a rom? What does an 8-bit Randy Johnson look like?
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Mike
p.s. Please post criticism, mistakes, errors, glitches, requests and comments here.
DOH DOH ??? ???
The last one didn't have Glavine in.
Strike 2...
Yet another new file enclosed.
Mike
QuoteRatings are better. You don't have to worry about 88 MPH sinkers, or 10 guys having a better power rating than Reggie or DaEvns (just Bonds).
Better then what? ah hmm? How did you come up with all your ratings??? i mean ALL of them, including the ones you probably took from my roms.
QuoteThis will answer the age old question - if RBI Baseball was made today - what would it look like?
Actually, I answered this question about a week ago, but your rom could answer the question, what would it have looked like if it was updated last year.
I hate to dig up the hatchet, but you have yet to make a post about your "new" 2002 rom without some kind of remark towards mine. Lets face it, a good portion, probably around 85% of your rom is just taken from my rom(s). To criticize them out of your ass, and mock them out of your mouth, while knowing in your brain that you just let me do most of the work for your rom, it's just all around hard for me to keep quiet. Hopefully Gantry will see my point here.
Here's where I stand on this whole thing:
Marquis just wants to tweak some things to make the ROM play a little more in line with the older ROM. Nothing wrong with that, some people prefer it. Many people also prefer the extra power and pitcher boosts that go with todays games, which is what you've done with RBI2k3. I know the casual RBI fans that have been playing at the Dee-Nee house prefer the 2k3 ROMs to the original....
There is room for both your ROMs, that's for sure. At this point, you both need to make posts without attacking each other, either directly or indirectly. Some of Chet's attacks have gone over the line (using "hate" and "fag" to another forum member is simply unacceptable and won't be tolerated anymore), and now Marquis is making too much of a point of what he thinks is wrong with your ROMs when talking about his, especially since your ROMs are what started the whole thing...
So no more attacks from either of you on work or person, no matter how small they seem. Things aren't bad yet, but they seem to be getting worse and I don't want to turn this forum into a flameboard....
After all this jibber-jabber I must say something, since I've been quiet too long. ENOUGH! Clyon, we all gave you props for coming up with the original/first RBI updated ROM. We commended you that it was very good and thanked you for the opportunity to play it, as it brings a fresh new objective. However, 'things' are made to be modified, just as records are meant to be broken. Marquis told everyone that he used your ROM as a base and changed some of the stats so the players act more realistic (at least to him). For you to keep bashing him, just because he thought some of the players stats were out of whack is childish. It's not like he was trying to steal your ROM by saying it was his. I played 3 innings of your ROM and noticed certain players don't play as well (or play too well) as they do in real life. It is all about modification. You made the ROM because you wanted to, and it was fun to make. You didn't make it to make money off of it (I hope) so I don't se why you are so bitter. Let people download both of them and see which one they like better. Maybe try to improve yours a little and announce an updated one. Stop all this crying about who's ROM it is. Enough. We all know that it is yours. Again, thanks for your hard work so now maybe change some things to make it the best, most realistic version to date. The RBI community will judge which is the best and most fun to play.
Well put vitb6!
No more complaining clyon!
Not that anybody asked, but from my point of view, I'm just glad that they're people out there with the knowledge to make these ROMs. I always wanted to play RBI, but with updated players. I have RBI 2 and 3, but they were never as much fun as the original. My point is, if we have everyone getting upset, then it's going to scare people off from making new ROMs, and definitely scare people off from sharing them. I would hate to see that happen, because I know that I'm never going to know how to make my own. I think that we've all said thank you. I know that I have, because I'm sure that it's very tedious work. In addition, this a fun site, and besides yahoo baseball it's the only reason that I even hook up to the Internet. Gantry's built a nice place for some RBI freaks. Let's keep it that way
I'd make and share some roms if I had any idea of what to make. But all I ever do is swap players around and think about making a better RBI arcade game (all time teams).
If anyone out there has a hurting for some type of edited RBI but doesn't want to bother with all the editing, spill out some ideas. I'd be willing to put one out any day.
Likewise, I'd always help to edit or clean up a game. I know a lot of people probably feel fine using the RBI manager, but can't use the other programs for changing team names, and anything else the manager doesn't cover.
There were bucket fulls of fix-ups on the roms posted around here recently, but... it was expressed very colorfully that editing was not appreciated. On a similar note, anyone that edits the game should be content that people have made all these programs user friendly and free for anyone to do what they wish with. All that, plus this forum to nerd it up about RBI (edited or classic) so they can get their fix. I know I don't take it for granted. Big warm and funny thanks to everyone responsible for hosting this site.
QuoteSome of Chet's attacks have gone over the line (using "hate" and "fag" to another forum member is simply unacceptable and won't be tolerated anymore),...
Gantry - I respect your opinion the most. It's hard to see my point of view, probably because nobody has taken the time to do all of the editing I did, then sit back and listen to the people bitch about it, being the same people I wanted to make it for. Oh well. And I find it funny in a world where the latest political movement is to be tolerant of others, we only tolerate what we think is right.
QuoteI played 3 innings of your ROM and noticed certain players don't play as well (or play too well) as they do in real life.
vitb6- First of all, having what you would consider to be a good enough feel for the new rom based on 3 innings, is like understanding a movie 3 minutes into it. Secondly, you can hardly tell me the original rom did a better job of rating guys based on their real life counterpart, even after 3 days of playing, let alone 3 innings.
[quoteNo more complaining clyon!
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vgp100- This statement is hypocritical unless one of the following are true.
1-You have never done anything for anybody other then yourself.
2-You have done something to benefit a community of some kind, and nobody complained because of your perfection on the task at hand.
[quote...it was expressed very colorfully that editing was not appreciated.
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Beanball - In my original post, I encouraged editing. But this guy decided after playing two games over a network with a friend at work, my rom was unacceptable. Which is still fair, but to just take somebody elses rom, fix 2 things to your liking, then post it as "RBI 2k3...EDITED" Is not very fair, in fact, it was only a few days after I did my rom. Now if he had intentions to make a rom before, I wouldnt care, but he just re-posted my rom with his fixiings, as if to say, THERE. NOW ITS DONE.
In conclusion, maybe you guys were not ready for a selfless act. It seems your too busy defending the person who made a half-assed effort to edit an edit, then actually taking a few seconds, adding a little common sense, and trying to understand why I would be irritated with the situation. Im all for new roms, for all games, but the guy bad mouths my roms on aim, after 2 games of playing it, then makes a rom of pitchers based on era, pitchers also known as relivers on ip, and hitters just borrowed from my rom, and presented as an entirely new rom.
And I thought the Tecmo Super Bowl fans had thick skulls.
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I hear ya that you're upset about some of the things Clyon, but if we can respect each other without personal attacks we can get this matter resolved. That goes for the other side, "he started it" isn't a valid reason to attack someone. I do it myself too, but we all know what we want to accomplish here so lets get it done...
And let me add that we love playing CLyon's 2k3 ROMs in super-speed mode on the Dreamcast, that's all we've been playing lately. The faster pitching and bigger hitting go great with that style of play. Anyone who have a Dreamcast has to check it out. But be warned! It'll completely screw up your ability to play the original, because after going super-speed, the original plays like it's in slow motion...
Anyway, lets stop with the infighting and simply enjoy all the new ROMs that are out there. Nobody has intentionally meant to be disrespectful...
Clyon,
Stop bashing me personally. I'm sick of it. Stop making wild assumptions, building up a strawman so you can knock it down. Other people have asked you to stop, and yet you continue. You're the ONLY person who has said anything bad to/about me so far.
I've spent a lot of time on my rom. I spent a lot of time playing it, checking the ratings. I've done everything so I could disassociate it from your rom, as you have requested. It's not even your rom anymore. 99% of the ratings have been changed. Probably about 25% of the players aren't even the same. And yet you still knock it every chance you get.
Stop taking everything I say out of context and turning it into an insult. You took my "criticism" and edit of your rom as a personal attack. Learn to distinguish between a personal attack and a critic of your work. I've yet to respond to your continuous attacks, esp. the personal ones, but you have failled to continue attacking me. So I have no choice but to ask you to stop. If you really meant your apology, stop posting attacking me everytime I post about my roms.
Mike
QuoteFirst of all, having what you would consider to be a good enough feel for the new rom based on 3 innings, is like understanding a movie 3 minutes into it.
Hardly, I don't know how a movie will end but with my knowledge of today's baseball players I know how good they should be. And seeing Maddux throw 98 and Zito with no curve throwing 83 in the 2nd threw up a huge red flag. As stated in the super speed thread, I've played about 15 games of RBI the last 2 days of your ROM. And I can name countless shitty guys that are absolute studs. Just to name a few (Jason McDonald, Todd Hundley and Gantry's
personal favorite Chin-Feng Chen). So, now from experience, my original thought of guys not playing to their actual potential is true.
QuoteSecondly, you can hardly tell me the original rom did a better job of rating guys based on their real life counterpart, even after 3 days of playing, let alone 3 innings.
Everyone knows the original RBI's players and abilities are blown out of proportion. When was Darrell Evans or Matt Nokes or Wally Joyner ever part of MLB's elite (although Wally Joyner was a Topps future star!). Therefore, if all you did was transfer today's players to RBI's game you did a good job. However, Marquis just tried to update the players actual abilies in RBI. Big difference. Therefore, the content within each of your ROM's are very different. Now if you tried to make each player true to life (which I don't think you meant to do) then you did a poor job and someone else is just trying to improve it. I'm not saying that Marquis way of making players abilities similiar to real life, is the correct way to do it. Maybe someone else that knows how to make a ROM will come out with another version and a NEW way to translate actual numbers to their RBI images. Either way your hard work has not gone unnoticed nor unwelcome. Keep trying to update your ROM's and make them the best they can be. If you think it is perfect the way it is then fine...leave it that way.
If I was Gantry or Lips I would close this thread now and just leave it be.
Well, my ratings were based on ratings from World Series Baseball 2k3. And no offense, but Im going to guess that they paid people who knew players a little better then yourself to come up with these ratings, and since my rom is based on that assumption, I think it's ok.
I realize that peope today tend to be critical of everything, and ignorant of most things.
Did it ever occur to anybody that RBI itself it limited in showing realism when it comes not only to gameplay, but the players on the field.
Nobody can ever appreciate anything, it's always, "Thanks, but...."
Instead of Marquis coming out and saying he edited my rom, why didnt he just announce it as an entity of itself, this problem would have been avoided.
As for the subject, Id like to drop it myself, but the longer I feel im being misunderstood, the longer it is going to go on.
I can tell you one thing, My days of RBI updating are pretty much over. Nightwulfs editor will be out soon, and everybody can make their own.
Thanks for all the help.
Im out.
I came oh so close to ignoring you. I actually left the page but I had to come back to it. Besides I'm 'TO'.
My final (maybe) words. Did it ever occur to you that you were too ignorant to figure out that the only one that is confused is YOU! Nobody is on your side on this. N.O.B.O.D.Y. Everyone has repeated the same things over and over and over to you, saying why you shouldn't get so upset but you continue to cry down the same shitty path. SHUT UP already! If you didn't want people to use it as a base then you shouldn't have shared it. Period. do you download MP3's?? Of course you do. Well you are STEALING the artists COPYRIGHTED material. Your ROM was neither copyrighted NOR yours! You stole 2K3's number, with a baseball manager program (which is not yours) and added it to the RBI database which AGAIN isn't yours. Then, you called *your* program RBI 2K3 using OTHER people's program's in the title of your own, so-called, ROM. You didn't want Marquis to use 2K3 in his title...you are a hipocrit and a fool. Grow up. if you don't want to make up an updated ROM, fine. No one wants it. Marquis et al, will supply us with them. Why you couldn't just say, "good job Marquis, that is a good alternative ROM" is beyond me. Becuase is was your ROM? Well it really wasn't yours now was it. Shut up you baby and go cry to someone else. Maybe IM someone about it. Loser.
This is your final word about it Jason - the forum rules apply to everyone, friends included. No personal attacks...
I am locking this thread and asking everyone to move on. The same debate has been rehashed long enough. Everybody knows where everybody stands. I am tired of the fighting and I assume everyone else is. If not, take it up somewhere else, such as IM. We aren't making any headway and everyone is getting too personal...
Gantry