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Since we have debated Bo/Dt's line-ups to death.  Let's do the same with Ca.

Here is the line-up I usually use.  What would you do differently?

Wilfng
DCincs
Joyner
Jacksn
Dwning
Jones
Schfld
Hendrk

Burlsn-Bench

Ca is the one team that after 15-20 years, I still don't have a set line up.  I like to slap the ball with Pettis...but I often temporarily come to terms with the fact that he sucks...in which case, I'll throw somebody else in that slot.

But I never use Wilfong as a regular.  I'm not sure what all the hype is--for me, he's good as a late inning PH when you need a lefty in there...but that's about it.  I also like the idea of holding Wilfong/Burleson back for true PH duties--although I am strictly against leaving a starter on the bench just for the sake of situational PH pop.  I do not believe either is good enough to be a starter.

I do believe it to be necessary to get both Hendrick and Jones in the starting line up first time through...just a matter of where.

If I sub both Jones and Wilfong in, it's typically Jones 6 and Wilfong 1.  He's the king of the quick sub/silent homer for me!  However, about 50% of the time, I let Pettis get some at bats and save Wilfong for a crucial bomb.  Ruppert is almost always in the 6 slot.  If/when I sub Hendrick for the duration of the game, he's in the 8 slot.

California is all about the bench. I'm not even sure if it matters where these guys go, but the entire bench must be playing in order for CA to win

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/31/05, 08:58:46 AM
Ca is the one team that after 15-20 years, I still don't have a set line up. I like to slap the ball with Pettis...but I often temporarily come to terms with the fact that he sucks...in which case, I'll throw somebody else in that slot.

But I never use Wilfong as a regular. I'm not sure what all the hype is--for me, he's good as a late inning PH when you need a lefty in there...but that's about it. I also like the idea of holding Wilfong/Burleson back for true PH duties--although I am strictly against leaving a starter on the bench just for the sake of situational PH pop. I do not believe either is good enough to be a starter.

I do believe it to be necessary to get both Hendrick and Jones in the starting line up first time through...just a matter of where.

This is interesting.  From 8 years old untill about 6 months ago, I never (EVER) used Wilfong for anything, but what Joe describes.  Never even gave him the chance as a starter.
It wasn't until after I joined the Dee-Nee community and was able to look at the code (thanks to the Nightwulf Editor), that I decided to start giving him a chance.  With Wilfong in the leadoff spot, I average one bomb a game with him and at times hit 2 or more.  Thanks to Wilfong, I now rank Ca among one of the top teams on the game with Bo, and Dt.

i think hendog is better than wolfgang.

in a serious game, jones - 1, hendog - 6, wolfgang - 8

like joedirt says though, sometimes i screw around with pettis. get a fast leadoff runner on base and pretend it's real baseball until it's 8-5 in the second inning.

how amazing is schofield though?

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/31/05, 08:33:01 AM
Wilfng
DCincs
Joyner
Jacksn
Dwning
Jones
Schfld
Hendrk

This is exactly the lineup I use, almost every time.  I used to try differnent combinations, but the past few years, i've been consistently going with the same formulas over and over.  I found the lineups I like best, and stick with them.  If I were playing humans more, I'd probably find myself making more strategic moves.

Quote from: tronblast on 03/31/05, 09:25:57 AM
i think hendog is better than wolfgang.

in a serious game, jones - 1, hendog - 6, wolfgang - 8

like joedirt says though, sometimes i screw around with pettis. get a fast leadoff runner on base and pretend it's real baseball until it's 8-5 in the second inning.

how amazing is schofield though?

My only suggestion would be to leave Wilfong on the bench if you put jones/hend in the 1/6 spot.  Boone may not look like much but has 15 more power points and a 5 contact point improvement over Wilfong.  Wilfong will be better in his first AB over Boone, but the rest of the game you will be losing power.

Quote from: BDawk on 03/31/05, 09:25:30 AM
California is all about the bench. I'm not even sure if it matters where these guys go, but the entire bench must be playing in order for CA to win

I would agree with this except for the fact that I believe you need at least one PH on the bench for a crucial situation with your pitcher up and 2 outs.  Also, burleson is not good at all after his first ab, he has the 2nd worst power numbers on the game to Pettis.  But even Pettis is faster and a lefty.

I leave Pettis in there for half the game -- sometimes the whole game if the particular game needs his speed and slapability.

Wilfong is a late inning PH

Burleson is a late inning PH

Hendrick usually gets held back an inning or two so I can see how Grich and Booney are playing.

I always enjoyed playing with SonofaGrich and Boone.   Hell, I once hit 4 bombs in a game with Booney.

Quote from: tronblast on 03/31/05, 09:25:57 AM
i think hendog is better than wolfgang.

in a serious game, jones - 1, hendog - 6, wolfgang - 8

like joedirt says though, sometimes i screw around with pettis. get a fast leadoff runner on base and pretend it's real baseball until it's 8-5 in the second inning.

how amazing is schofield though?

I would agree with Hendrick being better for one at bat.  However, I usually get 1 homer with him and done.  Wilfong is sometimes good for multiple homers.

I like Schofield when he's on, but I'm very inconsistent with him.  I think that Gantry calls him the x-factor.  Very true.  If Schofield's on, watch out!  If he's off, sometimes it has an effect on the rest of my hitting.

Quote from: ericdavisfan on 03/31/05, 09:45:07 AM

I like Schofield when he's on, but I'm very inconsistent with him.  I think that Gantry calls him the x-factor.  Very true.  If Schofield's on, watch out!  If he's off, sometimes it has an effect on the rest of my hitting.

Excellent point.  Downing always seems to be my x-factor.  Sometimes I can hit 3 bombs a game with him, and other times it is 5 5-3 outs (mix in a couple DPs).

sometimes Downing is a bit slow. . . . .

1 - Pettis
2 - DeC
3 - Joyner
4 - Reggie
5 - Downing
6 - Ruppert
7 - Schofield
8 - Hendrick
9 - Shit

This is how I use Cali most of the time.  Like JoeD said, I'll mess around with Wilfong leading off sometimes but I usually give Pettis a chance to suck balls first.

Ruppert absolutely has to be subbed in immediately.  I'm not sure Grich has ever seen an atbat in my house.

Same goes for Hendrick.  When I was a kid I saw the 8 homers for Boone and always took him out.  He's been taken out ever since.

Quote from: fknmclane on 03/31/05, 11:57:20 AM
1 - Pettis
2 - DeC
3 - Joyner
4 - Reggie
5 - Downing
6 - Ruppert
7 - Schofield
8 - Hendrick
9 - Shit

This is how I use Cali most of the time.  Like JoeD said, I'll mess around with Wilfong leading off sometimes but I usually give Pettis a chance to suck balls first.

Ruppert absolutely has to be subbed in immediately.  I'm not sure Grich has ever seen an atbat in my house.

Same goes for Hendrick.  When I was a kid I saw the 8 homers for Boone and always took him out.  He's been taken out ever since.

If you like leaving 2 guys on the bench, I can respect that.  However, if you are only going to use Jones and Hendrick from the bench, you might want to try batting Jones Leadoff, and Hendrick for Grich.  Leave Boone in.  By doing this you will vastly increase your line-ups power, since essentially you will be keeping Boone and dropping Pettis.  Boone isn't bad.  He has 72 more power points than Pettis and has more power than Pucket, Garner, and Boggs.

I do what Mcclane does (I guess this just applies to using Cali while playing RBI)

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/31/05, 09:48:19 AM

Quote from: ericdavisfan on 03/31/05, 09:45:07 AM

I like Schofield when he's on, but I'm very inconsistent with him.  I think that Gantry calls him the x-factor.  Very true.  If Schofield's on, watch out!  If he's off, sometimes it has an effect on the rest of my hitting.

Excellent point.  Downing always seems to be my x-factor.  Sometimes I can hit 3 bombs a game with him, and other times it is 5 5-3 outs (mix in a couple DPs).

Absolutely, Downing goes off some games.  The last several times I played RBI (which seems like a long time) he wasn't doing anything for me, and I actually subbed him out for Hendrick for the first time ever.  I liked Downing a lot growing up, so it was painful to sub him

Rupert goes in for Pettis, and Hendrick goes in for Grich. I bring Wilfong in for Boone in a situation where there are runners on only.

Wilfong leads off for me, unless I'm facing a particularly tough lefty. Then I bat Rupert leadoff and go with my instincts in the sixth slot. I leave Boone in, I think he's underrated and he's usually good for at least a bomb a game, sometimes two.

I have to get Hendrick and Jones in but I flip flop as to which one is #1 and #6.  Boone always stays in my lineup.  I won't go into detail since I've done it so many times before but I'm probably one of the biggest Boone supporters here.

Quote from: Noah G. on 04/05/05, 04:55:00 PM
How can you fuckers deny Wilfong?  He's fast, a lefty, and has pop.  Sure, he's kinda streaky, but...I ALWAYS put him in, and leave him in.  Gantry should agree on this one.  Christ, he's in the RBI Legends section.

I would like to say that the line-up with Wilfong on the bench and batting Jones/Hendrik in the 1/6 spot is better, however since Wilfong had two bombs and 4-5 hits against me last night, I will shut the hell up.

Rob Wilfong must bad leadoff, Pettis is a pile of ass.  He is fun to play with but inevitably does nothing...

In straight pitch, Rob Wilfong is a complete stallion...  Rupperto 6 and Hendu at the #8 spot.  To be honest, I haven't given Boone enough ABs in his career though...

I'd love it if that worked in anything goes...but Hendrick at 8 isn't wise.  He's by far (IMO) the best of the PH and will get IBB all day in the 8 spot.

You saying you like Hendrick over Rupperto? 

Quote from: Gantry on 04/07/05, 09:14:24 AM
You saying you like Hendrick over Rupperto? 

No wonder he has to cheat to win...   ;)

Remember fellas, I'm talking anything goes--but yes.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/07/05, 09:53:03 AM
Remember fellas, I'm talking anything goes--but yes.

I am confused.  Rupert has 42 more power points and is 4 speed points faster than Hendrick.  Plus, he is a lefty.

I think Joe is just trying to mess with people's heads before the tourney.

untrue...all things being equal, i prefer a right handed batter (in most cases)...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/07/05, 12:50:30 PM
untrue...all things being equal, i prefer a right handed batter (in most cases)...

You must love boston then.  The lineup I use only has 1 lefty in it.

Fuck Wade Boggs...   he's a pile of ass... 

I want to see how many times I can insult Wade Boggs (within relevance) today

Quote from: Gantry on 04/07/05, 01:24:16 PM
Fuck Wade Boggs...   he's a pile of ass... 

I want to see how many times I can insult Wade Boggs (within relevance) today

How do you know I don't keep Spike in the line-up?

Or billy Buck for that matter...

Everyone keeps that sack Boggs in, does anyone take him out?  I still have nightmares about that dinger he hit off Hernandez in the final game of the 2004 tourney.   To this day, I still can't believe he went yard off a lefty...

I occasionally take Boggs out instead of Buckner, neither of them ever do anything for me.

Boggs is definitely shaky.  Not enough power for my liking but still just good enough to leave in.

I always leave boggs in.   Yes, I wish I could bat him farther down in the order, but when it comes down to taking out buckner or boggs, it is a no brainer.  For one, boggs is much faster (10 points).  Boggs is also 4 power points better and 10 contact points better.  All around, you are giving up a lot if you leave buck in and take Boggs out.
I am NOT saying he is a stud.  He is still the worst player in the Bo line-up that I use.

24 gross points is a lot?  They're essentially the same player.

Quote from: BeeJay on 04/07/05, 02:51:07 PM
24 gross points is a lot? They're essentially the same player.

2 players with similar power, but one is as slow as molasses.

Quote from: BeeJay on 04/07/05, 02:51:07 PM
24 gross points is a lot?  They're essentially the same player.

Buckner is as slow as Armas.  Plus, 4 power points may not seem like a lot on the surface, but if you factor in the contact rating, a shitty swing with Boggs would give you as much power as a perfect swing w/ buckner.  Plus, if one player is better (regardless of the magnitude), why would you choose the lesser of the 2?

Perhaps you are like Gantry and you just don't like Boggs.

Note to Gantry, good opportunity for more insults.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 04/07/05, 03:02:30 PM
Perhaps you are like Gantry and you just don't like Boggs.

Note to Gantry, good opportunity for more insults.

Personal hatred is the only acceptable response here  ;D

They actually have identical power, and I've never felt Boggs was that much faster.  I think they both suck, and I have equally shitty success with both.  That's why I don't really care which one I sub for.

And I don't like Boggs, while Buckner blew a world series all by himself.  I have to give him credit for all the years of pain he gave stupid Saux fans.

Quote from: stockw19 on 04/07/05, 01:19:53 PM
You must love boston then. The lineup I use only has 1 lefty in it.

I do.  Boston is a quality team.  I have a hard time believing that straight pitch players don't like Bo, though...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/07/05, 03:10:42 PM
Boston is a quality team. I have a hard time believing that straight pitch players don't like Bo, though...

Boston is probably my favorite team in straight pitch, despite them having no good lefties.  Only when they are cold for me do I pick Ca or Dt who are also very good.  In straight pitch I usually get 1-2 homers every game with boggs.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 04/07/05, 03:10:42 PM

Quote from: stockw19 on 04/07/05, 01:19:53 PM
You must love boston then. The lineup I use only has 1 lefty in it.

I do.  Boston is a quality team.  I have a hard time believing that straight pitch players don't like Bo, though...

Gantry's reason (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/glossary.shtml#LEFTY)

In Straight Pitch, you pretty much always swing to pull the ball (to maximize homers), so it's harder to poke one through the right side with a righty batter.

Boston is still a top2 or top3 team in straight pitch, probably #2 since I have a heavy Ca bias.  With the addition of Hurst and all the righties (thus making Willie Hernandez worthless instead of a god), the BoSox matchup very well against Detroit...

Quote from: BeeJay on 04/07/05, 03:06:25 PM
And I don't like Boggs, while Buckner blew a world series all by himself.  I have to give him credit for all the years of pain he gave stupid Saux fans.

Yup, he gave up every run.  You eat poop.