Maybe this has been a topic in the past, but I'm not sure, so I'll start up a conversation. As we should all know, stats can be deceiving. Who do you think are the most underrated players in the game?
I'll start by naming Vince Colemen, who is bar none the fastest player in the game and a lock to reach second base (after a stolen base) after a slap hit to the left side of the infield. He's a pest.
Mookie Wilson and Lenny Dykstra are similar players whose style I like, but they aren't quite as fleet of foot.
Discuss.
I would say that he is neither under or overrated. I think his speed is great, but I think most people know that. From a power standpoint, he is terrible though. He is a great player to have in "anything goes" type ball, but I always take him and Ozzie out of the line-up in str8 pitch to maximize the team's power.
I think Boggs might be the most underrated player in the game. This is solely based on the fact that most people take him out. He is clearly overshadowed by all the power on Bo, but I always do very well with him. He definitely has enough pop to consistently hit 1-2 homers per str8 pitch game.
Dick Schofield - I get almost as many dingers out of him as Potatos (or "Pomme De Terre" as they call him in France).
Quote from: Shooty Babitt on 05/06/05, 02:10:16 PM
Dick Schofield - I get almost as many dingers out of him as Potatos (or "Pomme De Terre" as they call him in France).
Agreed. I forgot about him. He is another guy that seems to be overshadowed by that great line-up.
Obviously, my views are skewed, as I ONLY play anything goes-style baseball. In this type of game, speed is definitely a commodity.
And good call on Boggs... his power is underacknowledged and me makes great contact (another great commodity in anything goes).
Tom Brookens - his numbers look like shit, but he has a ton of power buried behind that lustrous moustache.
Bob Brenly. A clutch hitter who always delivers for me when I need a key base hit.
i second the schofield and brenly nominations. i never noticed these guy's abilities until i came to this site. its easy to get caught up in the game's stats they show on the screen or or your own personal recollection of what the real player did in mlb, but it's important to acknowledge the attributes given by the RBI gods. i have seen the light. and gantry will certainly add spillman.
Mike Aldrete
Quote from: fightonusc on 05/06/05, 03:14:08 PM
Bob Brenly. A clutch hitter who always delivers for me when I need a key base hit.
What the fuck? Is today opposite day or something?
Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/06/05, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: fightonusc on 05/06/05, 03:14:08 PM
Bob Brenly. A clutch hitter who always delivers for me when I need a key base hit.
What the fuck? Is today opposite day or something?
Maybe you don't give Brenly the love and support he needs to perform for you. fknmcslavedriver...
I think he blows and is a much needed out in between mighty bats of WClark and CDavis.
I would have to go with Davy Lopes. Pinch hit him for Reynolds when playing as the Astros, and he's a great asset to the bottom of the lineup. With his power (despite lagging stats) and his speed, I think he would have to rate on the list.
Grelts, check out the data for Houston (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/houston.shtml). Reynolds, despite the shitty looking numbers, is actually the 2nd biggest power hitter in Houston's starting lineup. I'd definitely recommend giving him a shot when using Houston.
I think it's more of a personally vendetta against Reynolds on my part. I understand that he comes highly touted by some. He's really let me down other times. Certainly there are other places in the lineup that are Lopes appropriate. Comments from Reynolds aside, I think Lopes doesn't get the respect.
I just played a game as SF today. Grelts gave up two runs late in a tie game (worthless) but Spillman hit a game tying, two-run single and Alderte put me ahead (I later won). All have been mentioned in this thread. Amazing. Though not really.
The most underrated player in the game:
Harry Spilman
The most underrated player that the majority still don't use:
Blank Morris
The most underrated 1AB player in the game:
hjose Oquendo
Quote from: Gantry on 05/06/05, 06:25:10 PM
The most underrated player that the majority still don't use:
Blank Morris
I forgot to mention this when I saw it, but there was a blank morris game used batting practice jersey on ebay a week or two ago. It didn't even go that high.
ebay mo jersey (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60597&item=5188145205&rd=1)
Also, if it weren't for the Willie Cardinal autograph in it, I'd probably send you my blank morris book. You're the only one who ever gives him any credit.
QuoteMaybe you don't give Brenly the love and support he needs to perform for you. fknmcslavedriver...
Giving RBI'ers positive love and support is an often overlooked p[art of the game. This is most true with "Sweet Lou Whitaker.
I play mostly straight pitch and even though he is highly touted, Da. Evans may be my most underated player, my friend always uses the Tigers and whenever they need a run Da "Fucking" Evans goes deep, its almost automatic.
This is a very tough, yet controversial subject. I cannot possibly pick only 1 underrated player, since there are at least 10 i could name off the top of my head.
1. Allan Trammel- He is a guaranteed silent but deadly lead off homer for me when im Dt.
2. Ellis Burks- Hes got massive power and the speed to back it up. I consistantly hit at least 2 homers with him every game
3. Bill Madlock- even though he in a bench hitter.. He is one of my favorite pinch hitters. Even though his 14 homers arent impressive, his superior homerun hitting skills makes Matt Nokes look like an assclown.
Quote from: Grelts on 05/06/05, 05:40:59 PM
I think it's more of a personally vendetta against Reynolds on my part. I understand that he comes highly touted by some. He's really let me down other times. Certainly there are other places in the lineup that are Lopes appropriate. Comments from Reynolds aside, I think Lopes doesn't get the respect.
Lopes, cruz, garner, davis, bass, thon, reynolds, ashby;
This line-up will maximize your Ho power. (having plenty of coke and flavored condoms will also increase your "ho" power.
I agree Lopes is good, but not underrated. I think most RBIers give him the deserved respect. My definition of an underrated player is one that most people would take out or leave on the bench, but shouldn't. I don't know anyone who doesn't use Lopes in the Ho line-up.
This is why I went with Boggs. I know so many people who take him out of the line-up, but he is pretty damn good.
I love Davy Lopes. I usually bat him leadoff for Hatcher, who is a pile of steaming crap. Lopes has power and insane speed. Can't go wrong.
Alan Trammel, Tim Burks and DaEvans are hardly "underrated." I'd take those three fuckers 1, 2, 3 in my batting order anytime.
Though I never use Houston, Strassy does on a consistent basis, and he always subs for Kevin Bass, despite his 20 HR and Houston's relatively power-less bench. I can attest that Bass almost never does anything positive. For this reason, I'd rate him as one of RBI's most overrated players.
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The Heepsta always come thru for me.
I like schofield alot. I've never taken him out.
Very good call on Boggs. His stats are awesome but his ratings aren't nearly what you'd think. . . . . . but the proof is in the pudding and he mashes and produces.
I'd say Allann Trammell is underrated. He gets a lot of crap from people, but he's been a thorn in my side since '88. . . . . . he always goes yard on me. . . . I hate him, but I respect his auth-or-o-tie!
Tom Brookens in my opinion is a very underrated player. Most 8 slot batters suck in this game. However Brookens is good for clutch basehits almost every time. He can also belt it out of the park too.
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I agree Lopes is good, but not underrated. I think most RBIers give him the deserved respect. My definition of an underrated player is one that most people would take out or leave on the bench, but shouldn't. I don't know anyone who doesn't use Lopes in the Ho line-up.
Let me just clarify the whole Lopes situation by saying that I am far from an expert at RBI (that's why I'm here). Although I have always been an avid player (who didn't keep their team's stat book....?), but am hopefully making the ascention to that level before too long.
On a side note, there is going to be a minor tournament tonight with some small stakes on the line. I'll relay the full report.
Tim Teufel.
He gets a little respect, but he's been a monster for me lately. He's hit more bombs than any Met (in games I've played and witnessed) over the last month. I liked him for the ph HR before, but he's been so much better lately.
I agree with Gantry mentioing Blank Morris and Spillman. Although Oquendo has been in a slump of late, I'm still a huge fan of The Weapon.
Good call with Teufel, he always gives me good production in the #8 spot. For some reason though he never does well from me at #6...
Chris Speier is always good for a PH bomb - sometimes I'll even start him at leadoff just to give Spilman a rest...
Speier doens't do it for me for some reason. Now Youngblood for me is a PH bomb extrordinaire, one homer and one homer only...
Tony Pena has always been solid for me. Not much is expected since his stats are poor and he's on the Cards. I think he's got some power, though
Quote from: ericdavisfan on 05/11/05, 01:19:38 PM
I think he's got some power, though
...warning track power. are you playing straightpitch or what? i cannot agree with this assessment.
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Quote from: ericdavisfan on 05/11/05, 01:19:38 PM
I think he's got some power, though
...warning track power. are you playing straightpitch or what? i cannot agree with this assessment.
He IS tied for the 3rd most power on St. Louis and has a better contact rating than Morris.
Tony always brings the Pena. I love him.
Tony Pena blows ass... But he's WAY better than Ford, I can't believe people leave him in...
Quote from: Gantry on 05/12/05, 12:42:52 PM
Tony Pena blows ass... But he's WAY better than Ford, I can't believe people leave him in...
Oh I disagree, I think hes the second best 8 batter behind Brookens. He comes out with many good hits, and many homers.
Quote from: Grelts on 05/08/05, 04:40:05 PM
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I agree Lopes is good, but not underrated. I think most RBIers give him the deserved respect. My definition of an underrated player is one that most people would take out or leave on the bench, but shouldn't. I don't know anyone who doesn't use Lopes in the Ho line-up.
Let me just clarify the whole Lopes situation by saying that I am far from an expert at RBI (that's why I'm here). Although I have always been an avid player (who didn't keep their team's stat book....?), but am hopefully making the ascention to that level before too long.
On a side note, there is going to be a minor tournament tonight with some small stakes on the line. I'll relay the full report.
Report?
Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/12/05, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: Grelts on 05/08/05, 04:40:05 PM
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I agree Lopes is good, but not underrated. I think most RBIers give him the deserved respect. My definition of an underrated player is one that most people would take out or leave on the bench, but shouldn't. I don't know anyone who doesn't use Lopes in the Ho line-up.
Let me just clarify the whole Lopes situation by saying that I am far from an expert at RBI (that's why I'm here). Although I have always been an avid player (who didn't keep their team's stat book....?), but am hopefully making the ascention to that level before too long.
On a side note, there is going to be a minor tournament tonight with some small stakes on the line. I'll relay the full report.
Report?
I think they were rained out.