When playing a double header, I want to know what is the best strategy for saving pitchers.
Usually I just pitch my best stamina man for as long as he can go (somtimes a full game), and try to only use one reliever if i have to make a switch.
I've seen it where a guy pitched his 4th pitcher for 6 innings, then his 1st for 2, and his 3rd for 1... and only lost his 1st... so in the second game he still had his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pitchers.
I don't understand the formula, or the tendencies the game takes. One time I pitched heach pitcher for 3 innings... then in the 10th I brought in Clemens for 1... and in the second game I got everyone back but Clemens.
Any thoughts on this subject?
i'm assuming you'd play without resetting the game and that you can use any pitcher, whether he is a starter or reliever?
begin the game with the relief pitchers. RBI will not let the first starting pitcher begin the next game, i believe.
Quote from: underatednoobie on 05/19/05, 01:27:17 PM
I don't understand the formula, or the tendencies the game takes. One time I pitched heach pitcher for 3 innings... then in the 10th I brought in Clemens for 1... and in the second game I got everyone back but Clemens.
If you use a SP (one of the first 2 listed) they will not be available for the next game
RP (Bottom 2) are available every game.
Yes, without reseting the game
So how do you explain when you only get 2 pitchers back for the game... If you say they only get rid of your first starting pitcher (unless i misunderstood you)
k thx ultimate
If you used both SP you shouldn't have gotten either of them for game 2, unless there was some sort of glitch, but I've never seen it happen.
This is the type of RBI that I play - you can use only one SP per nine inning game (we allow the other to be used in Xtra innings). If you ask me, it is the only way to play RBI. The secret is to use your speed pitches and knucklers wisely (or not at all). To do this, you have to effectively use the corners and play good D. It is not uncommon for me to pitch a complete game (especially since we don't play pussy straight pitch and the scores are lower).
Thus, there is no reason to ever use all of your pitchers in one game of RBI if you know what you are doing and don't burn them out by throwing all fastballs and knucklers.
Same here Nacho, myself and OctoFranco almost exclusively play 5 or 7 games series, only resetting to switch home and away and we always know what starter we have...
I always start with a reliever, who I can usually go a strong three, and more than not a strong four with, then depending on the score is when I decide what starter (if any) to put in, if I'm up about three or so (which, believe it or not, does happen time to time) I usually let my 1st RP go as long as possible than use my second reliever and try to save my starter...This is mainly useful in the later games where if you can have both starters for a game you need to clinch it becomes really useful.
And yeah, I rarely throw knuckles or fast balls, I mean, maybe 1 or 2 per pitcher, and it's always when I'm working out a jam (which is quite often)
No reset series fucking rock.
i just played another game subbing in all my pitchers and neither starter was available for game two. i should have known this, but i only play against the computer and i usually mercy it.
I now wish that I were going to Columbus so I could scrimmage against Atezz. I have the feeling that he and I are RBI soulmates. He would fit in nicely with Strassy and I, who also have similar styles (low scoring, good D, using the two least powerful teams always - Ho and SL).
I'm in that same boat Nacho, that's how I have always played.
mmmm.....boat nacho
"nacho, attezobakjdkjl is like THE best thing to everhappened to me, maybe someday you can find your soulmate. Peace out."
--ultimate7 dynamite
Quote from: Teddyballgame on 05/19/05, 02:21:00 PM
"nacho, attezobakjdkjl is like THE best thing to everhappened to me, maybe someday you can find your soulmate. Peace out."
--ultimate7 dynamite
Sweet.
Quote from: Nacho on 05/19/05, 01:43:52 PM
(especially since we don't play pussy straight pitch and the scores are lower).
I take much offense to this Nacho :'( .
Truth be told, I ALWAYS played ATG style thru most of my life. However, when I got to college I noticed that nobody would ever play me in RBI in anything goes. You may not believe me, but I have never lost an anything goes game in my life (except for a few times where I would take a far less superior team to give my opponent a chance).
So, I started playing Str8 pitch style ball (right down the middle) with those in my dorm. I would still always kill them, but at times they could go ahead for a few innings if they went on a home run tear, and as long as they could hit some bombs, they did not mind getting slaughtered as much.
This brought probably a dozen of guys into the RBI family. Then, after moving out of the dorms, the str8 pitch tradition continued as it made for much more drunken drinking games (thus much more fun).
Believe it or not, there is an art to str8 pitch far different than ATG. You have to play much better deffense as a 4 out inning can turn into 4-5 additional runs. Plus, it is more fun since no lead is safe. In ATG, if a player goes up by 4 runs, forget about it. Although I was a hater of the str8 pitch style play at first, I now enjoy it more so than ATG. Plus, I still play with my college and highschool friends regularly (which would never have happened if I would have not opened my eyes to str8 pitch.)
All that asside, I am sure you along with many others on this site could kill me in ATG. However, I am positive I could give you all a run in Str8 pitch (batting practice style). ;D
Quote from: Nacho on 05/19/05, 01:43:52 PM
This is the type of RBI that I play - you can use only one SP per nine inning game (we allow the other to be used in Xtra innings). If you ask me, it is the only way to play RBI. The secret is to use your speed pitches and knucklers wisely (or not at all). To do this, you have to effectively use the corners and play good D.
yeah Nacho, when I know I need to save pitchers, I only go all out (all out fastballs and sliders) when their is a slugger at the plate or the game is in a clutch situations... other than that I just throw strail balls or some with slight curve.
In the league I'm in, you have to throw a strike every pitch, so i just toss it in there when its just an average or below batter and the game isnt in a tight situation.
As far as the 1 SP per game, we dont have that rule... but I'm gonna propose that, its a good idea ;D
Quoteother than that I just throw strail balls or some with slight curve.
The amount of curve you put on a pitch doesn't affect how much it tires the pitcher - the only thing that does that is a fastball or forkball/knuckleball/whatever it's called. Those tire the pitcher twice as fast. A curveball is no harder on a pitcher than just pressing "A" by itself.
I could be wrong, but the only way a pitcher (or postion player) in RBI is going to be saved is by having faith in Dino Jesus.
Except for MechaMegaBlyleven, who doesn't need Dino Jesus to save him...he can save himself, damnit!
Quote from: fightonusc on 05/20/05, 07:39:22 PM
Except for MechaMegaBlyleven, who doesn't need Dino Jesus to save him...he can save himself, damnit!
MechaMegaBlyleven is the Hades of the RBI World.
One day Dino Jesus will return to RBI Land and throw MechMegaBlyleven into the firey pit of an eternity of RBI 2 and 3.
im still stuck in the anything goes version my friends... 1-0 games, the homeruns and moments are that much sweeter... shit gets crasy my friends
maybe someday, i too will learn the dark side of RBI and become a stright pitch player
Quote from: owencetnar8 on 05/20/05, 08:01:43 PM
im still stuck in the anything goes version my friends... 1-0 games, the homeruns and moments are that much sweeter... shit gets crasy my friends
maybe someday, i too will learn the dark side of RBI and become a stright pitch player
I have no idea what he just said. Nothing.
Quote from: fightonusc on 05/20/05, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: owencetnar8 on 05/20/05, 08:01:43 PM
im still stuck in the anything goes version my friends... 1-0 games, the homeruns and moments are that much sweeter... shit gets crasy my friends
maybe someday, i too will learn the dark side of RBI and become a stright pitch player
I have no idea what he just said. Nothing.
something like
hey man, I'm alive
I'm taking each day a night at a time
I'm feeling like a monday but someday
I'll be saturday night
Bon Jovi has provided the soundtrack to my life.
(http://snltranscripts.jt.org/90/pics/90ksinatra1.jpg)
"Once more around, pal. Sounds like pops and buzzes from here."
(http://snltranscripts.jt.org/81/pics/81tebony3.jpg)
Frank Sinatra: "You are black, and I am white
Life's an Eskimo Pie, let's.. take a bite!
That was groovy thinkin'
Lincoln, when you set them freeeeeee...
We all know
Cats are the same
Maine to Mexico.
Good. Bad.
Guys and chicks!"
Stevie Wonder: "I am dark, and you are light."
Frank Sinatra: "You are blind as a bat, and I have sight!
Side by side, you are my amigo,
Negro, let's not fiiiiiiiight!"
Stevie Wonder: "Ebony, ivory
Living in perfect harmony."
Frank Sinatra: "Salt and pepper,
Sammy and Dean
Stevie and me are peachy keen!"
Stevie Wonder: "You are white."
Frank Sinatra: "You are black - and who cares!"
Who cares, baby!
I said, that's my bread and butter, man!
What gives, cue ball? I'm looking at you, I'm thinking: fourteen in the side pocket!
i got chunks bigger than you in my stool!
I'm curious as to the popularity of starting a game with a relief pitcher. I never, ever do it in regular NES play, but Attezzobal almost always does. This can be a good thing because you can afford to get an extra inning or two out of him if he's doing strong, but can also backfire badly when he starts to lose his stuff but stays in the game because he's due up to hit next inning. What normally happens is that he gives up a handful of runs, and then is pinch hit for with someone who crowns the irony with a weak ground out.
My typical strategy is to throw all regular-speed pitches unless in a jam, and to throw a lot of first pitch strikes on the corner. That way the ball is put in play early, keeping pitch count down. Attezzobal knows this, however, and in our games he takes a lot of pitches to waste pitchcount. A dangerous strategy because I start to go for the strikeout after I see this (and get it 40% of the time), but it can succeed in knocking out the starter very early every now and then, leaving me all but crippled. But ideally my starter goes 7, and depending on the score, a different reliever will go in. That is, if either team has a sizeable lead over the other, I put in the less-good of the two (usually Schiraldi for me) to finish out the game, and only use the better closer (correspondingly Stanley) in close games or the final game of a series. The new pitcher is good at confounding the batters who haven't seen him at all the entire series. It's also nice to have a pitcher whose slowballs actually drop, which can be really good for the clutch strikeout. Unorthodox, I know, but it gets results.
Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:31:34 AM
I'm curious as to the popularity of starting a game with a relief pitcher. I never, ever do it in regular NES play, but Attezzobal almost always does. This can be a good thing because you can afford to get an extra inning or two out of him if he's doing strong, but can also backfire badly when he starts to lose his stuff but stays in the game because he's due up to hit next inning.
I am against this. I strongly feel that in ATG, one's offense should never dictate when one's pitcher gets pulled.
Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:31:34 AM
My typical strategy is to throw all regular-speed pitches unless in a jam, and to throw a lot of first pitch strikes on the corner.
This is affectionately known as cheating around these parts. :(
Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:31:34 AM
That way the ball is put in play early, keeping pitch count down. Attezzobal knows this, however, and in our games he takes a lot of pitches to waste pitchcount.
You and Attezobal are the Princess Brides of RBI Baseball...so Attezzobal can clearly not swing at the pitch in front of him... My only question is, which of you is Buttercup? I suppose the other is a ROUS.
Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:31:34 AM
The new pitcher is good at confounding the batters who haven't seen him at all the entire series. It's also nice to have a pitcher whose slowballs actually drop, which can be really good for the clutch strikeout. Unorthodox, I know, but it gets results.
This is so great. I love the thinking that goes into serious RBI strategy! One point, though--you and Attezz should be strictly playing 2 SP at this point. He does have a tourney to win, you know...