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Just curious as to what the Dee-Nee world thinks.  I am excited about this tourney, and I am not even in it.

My votes are in

EDIT:

But it won't show me who I voted for...

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/27/05, 08:39:44 AM
My votes are in

EDIT:

But it won't show me who I voted for...

Try again.  I have "Only show results after someone has voted" checked.
It shows my votes fine.

OK votes in, I voted for the obvious 4 (smoked, Joe, Riley. Foster), though I truly believe only 3 of them will make the final 4 and there will be 1 "suprise" (GDavis or one of the unknowns)

I voted for the obvious ones as well but also threw in a vote for GDavis.

Apparently, there are two supreme idiots in the dee nee worl...because they voted for me.

JoeDirt will take it all.  He's got the Ohio home state advantage. 

Quote from: Superood on 05/27/05, 11:16:22 AM
JoeDirt will take it all. He's got the Ohio home state advantage.

I see this as a major disadvantage--well, moreso because I'm in charge of running the entire tourney...

I think this is true, that's the main reason I have your odds lower than others, I saw how much crap Beales had to go trough with the tourney, and I'm pretty sure it effected his play, maybe you'll be able to overcome it, but I think it is a disadvantage.

Ive only played against Atezobal, so my votes are ganna wait.. hopefully i can play some of ya'll before the voting ends.

I like the fact that I've received as many votes as people who aren't entered in the tournament.

I voted for Dirt, Riley (based on Dirt's mentions), GDavis and Riley (again, based on Dirt's mentions)

And yeah, I feel bad for Joe, it's gotta be tough to be overseeing an entire tourney while trying to compete in it

Quote from: fightonusc on 05/29/05, 05:49:00 PM
I like the fact that I've received as many votes as people who aren't entered in the tournament.

I finally got around to voting, and I gave you one of my votes (along with Riley, Beales, and JoeDirt).  I just have a hunch...

Opening lines for the tourney?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	-490
mfriley33:	+100
GDavis:	+100
fightonusc:	+320
fknmclane:	+200
Gantry:	+150
SmokedUBad:	-200
DXXPAC321:	+430
malnuboy:	+430
CurtFlood:	+430
Attezzobal:	+320
wiggum:	+150
Steve Katz:	+600
Trevor Martin:	+430
Josh Payne:	+430
Rob Conzelman:	+600
Other/Reserve:	+320

These are your lines for winning or placing?

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/31/05, 09:32:47 AM
These are your lines for winning or placing?

Winning, based on the current votes.  Some of the lines seem pretty conservative due to low credibility.

An awsome attempt, stock, and I'm sure very difficult to...just my two cents worth: Riley and Foster (wiggum) should be much much lower...

Nice, though!

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/31/05, 10:52:44 AM
An awsome attempt, stock, and I'm sure very difficult to...just my two cents worth: Riley and Foster (wiggum) should be much much lower...

Nice, though!

Lower, as in a bigger favorite?  To be a +100 out of 16 entries is a pretty heavy favorite as is.

Well, I just base that on the fact that I'm a -490...

So remind me exactly how this works--I forget...

Stock, basically your number are all screwed up, based on what you have, the house would take in a ton of money (maybe that's what you intended)

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/31/05, 11:09:49 AM
Stock, basically your number are all screwed up, based on what you have, the house would take in a ton of money (maybe that's what you intended)

Like I said, numbers are conservative (for the house), because of low credibility.  Assuming, the current votes would all indicate a real bet of equal value to place (@ 1/6 odds) + a normal 10% profit on all losing bets.
As more votes come in, credibility will get higher, and the odds should get better.

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/31/05, 09:20:52 AM
Opening lines for the tourney?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	-475
mfriley33:	+140
GDavis:	+130
fightonusc:	+325
fknmclane:	+250
Gantry:	+250
SmokedUBad:	+105
DXXPAC321:	+420
malnuboy:	+370
CurtFlood:	+420
Attezzobal:	+370
wiggum:	+150
Steve Katz:	+480
Trevor Martin:	+420
Josh Payne:	+370
Rob Conzelman:	+480
Other/Reserve:	+370

Updated.

Your odds a break even should add up to 100%, normal odds for stuff like this probably addup to 150%-200% for the profit (depending on the event, sometimes less than 150%)

Your odds add to 515%

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/31/05, 11:36:51 AM
Your odds a break even should add up to 100%, normal odds for stuff like this probably addup to 150%-200% for the profit (depending on the event, sometimes less than 150%)

Your odds add to 515%

AGAIN, 74 VOTES FOR "PLACING" IS NOWHERE NEAR CREDIBLE.  ALSO, Those with 0 votes would technically have a payout of infinity (obviously had to cap this).  If you need to make yourself feel better, then just double all the plusses.  Not like I am actually open for trade here and trying to fuck over the dee-nee'ers.  If we get 100 or so votes, the odds will make much more sense.

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Opening lines for the tourney?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	-285
mfriley33:	+150
GDavis:	+160
fightonusc:	+720
fknmclane:	+410
Gantry:	+660
SmokedUBad:	+135
DXXPAC321:	+1700
malnuboy:	+1000
CurtFlood:	+1700
Attezzobal:	+1000
wiggum:	+180
Steve Katz:	+1900
Trevor Martin:	+1700
Josh Payne:	+1000
Rob Conzelman:	+1900
Other/Reserve:	+1000

Updated as more votes come in...

I don't think I should have voted for myself.  If I win this tourney I expect a blow/hand job from every attending member, playing or otherwise...

























In a row...

Do we get to split the million dollars amongst us, then?

By the way, those opening lines are way, way screwed up. Vegas would never use a money line for something like this, they would use odds (4/1, 6/1, 2/5, 20/1, etc.).

Quote from: fightonusc on 05/31/05, 01:51:21 PM
Do we get to split the million dollars amongst us, then?

By the way, those opening lines are way, way screwed up. Vegas would never use a money line for something like this, they would use odds (4/1, 6/1, 2/5, 20/1, etc.).

Translate it as you wish.  I use the "+/-" system since it is what I see most common in events that are not based on point spreads (ie. win/lose only).  Plus, it is easier to do the math on the payout.
"4:1" = "-400" = 1.25 payout (or something like that).

Huh?

4/1 = you win 4 dollars for every dollar you bet. (If I place a $10 bet on a team getting 4/1 odds to win the World Series and they do, I get $50 total back - $40 in winnings plus my original $10 bet)

-400 on the money line = I have to bet $400 to make $100. (If I place the same $10 bet on a team that's -400 on the money line and they win, I get a total of $12.50 back - $2.50 in winnings plus my original $10 back)

Actually, it's +400 that's equal to 4/1 odds, and neither of those are close to a 1.25 payout (it's a 4.00 payout)...

1-4 = -400 = 1.25 payout, he was just confused by 4-1 vs. 1-4

Right, I figured that, but I was feeling salty...

Read my last post:

My point was, you can display lines SEVERAL different ways.

For example, when I was in Vegas, The odds for Vanderlei Silva to win the Pride FC Grand Prix tournament were "+275" at the MGM Grand.  They were "3.75" at NY, NY.  In the end, these are both the same.  If I bet $100 and win, I will get $375 back when I cash in my ticket.
There is no right or wrong way to display the odds/payouts, as long as you know how much money you are getting back on a certain bet.
Since I do 95% of my gambling on online sites, I have never seen odds given such as x/y.  For odds such as tourneys or odds "to win only", I have only seen the "+/-" methodology, so that is what I am most familiar with.

Yeah, they use the money line mainly for boxing and baseball single-game betting. For most prop bets, they would use the horse racing style odds system of X/Y. The best example would be for betting on a NASCAR race. You might get different odds on 20 to 25 different drivers (maybe Jeff Gordon at 4/1, Rusty Wallace at 12/1, Joe Nemechek at 50/1, etc.) and "The Field" (all players not listed) lumped together as one bet (one player from "The Field" wins and that bet wins). That's something you also see in golf betting, as well as any futures betting on team sports (preseason betting on who will win the World Series, Super Bowl, NCAA Championships, etc.).

Since you've only really concerned yourself with boxing/MMA, it makes sense that money line betting is more familliar to you.

I don't know about all the love for Dirt.  What has this guy ever won?

Honestly, have only seen odds like that in horse racing.  I just went and looked at 5 different online betting sites and did not have odds listed like "x/y" in any futures betting (ie. world series winner, 2006 NCAA Basketball Champion, Super Bowl winner, NFL MVP, 2006 Rose Bowl Champion, Next President, etc...).  Also, at the MGM grand, all their odds were in the "+/-".  It must just come down to who you get your lines from.

Sportsbook.com used to list futures for sports champions as 4-1, 20-1, etc.  That was 2 years ago, so not sure if they still do.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/31/05, 02:43:43 PM
Sportsbook.com used to list futures for sports champions as 4-1, 20-1, etc.  That was 2 years ago, so not sure if they still do.

I normally go to these:

www.mvpsportsbook.com
www.sportsinteraction.com
www.thegreek.com
www.sportsline.com
www.betoddessa.com

Many times, sportsinteraction just lists what the payout is (ie.  1.75).  The number you would multiply your bet by to tell you what you would collect on a winning bet.

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/31/05, 02:47:08 PM

Many times, sportsinteraction just lists what the payout is (ie. 1.75). The number you would multiply your bet by to tell you what you would collect on a winning bet.

That is how European SBs tend to do it.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/31/05, 03:03:17 PM

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/31/05, 02:47:08 PM

Many times, sportsinteraction just lists what the payout is (ie. 1.75). The number you would multiply your bet by to tell you what you would collect on a winning bet.

That is how European SBs tend to do it.

I guess that kind of makes sense.  sportsinteraction is based in Quebec.

Quote from: GDavis on 05/31/05, 02:38:30 PM
I don't know about all the love for Dirt. What has this guy ever won?

I won a 10 speed bike in the 5th grade...no, scratch that--I won $200 and bought a 10 speed bike with the dough.  So booyah to you, sir.

When I was a kid, Tony the Tiger visited my house, and I got a free bike.

The other day I opened up a Gatorade and proceeded to play street football with Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts practice squad...BITCH

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Opening lines for the tourney?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	-270
mfriley33:	+130
GDavis:	+185
fightonusc:	+810
fknmclane:	+475
Gantry:	+730
SmokedUBad:	+125
DXXPAC321:	+1200
malnuboy:	+1200
CurtFlood:	+2250
Attezzobal:	+660
wiggum:	+180
Steve Katz:	+2520
Trevor Martin:	+2250
Josh Payne:	+810
Rob Conzelman:	+2520
Other/Reserve:	+1200

JoeD,
Who is Steve Katz and Rob Conzelman?  Are they really that bad, or do they just have 0 votes since nobody on Dee-Nee knows them?
Also, do you see any lines that look relatively out of wack?
I would like to give more weight to votes from people who actually know something about these guys' game play.  There are probably some people who have voted that have no clue who is really good.

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/01/05, 07:55:33 AM
JoeD,
Who is Steve Katz and Rob Conzelman? Are they really that bad, or do they just have 0 votes since nobody on Dee-Nee knows them?

Yeah, they are two of the four "unknowns" of the tournament.  The other two are Josh Payne and Trevor Martin.  My opinion is that they should have better odds than those who are "known" to not be competitive at ATG, based on the fact that these people are travelling across the country to enter a tourney full of strangers.  I just have a hard time believing that they won't be very good...

Right, those were my thoughts too.  Especially since I think they all paid the full entry fee. 

Never forget about the dark horses...   There's some 11-year old in his basement right now that is ready to shock the RBI world in a couple years...

And his name is Mr. RBI, Jr.

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Opening lines for the tourney?



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	-125
mfriley33:	+220
GDavis:	+295
fightonusc:	+550
fknmclane:	+1200
Gantry:	+1050
SmokedUBad:	+210
DXXPAC321:	+1700
malnuboy:	+1700
CurtFlood:	+3000
Attezzobal:	+910
wiggum:	+285
Steve Katz:	+810
Trevor Martin:	+785
Josh Payne:	+735
Rob Conzelman:	+810
Other/Reserve:	+4500

Updated. 
You want some of that action Curtflood?  ::) 

I must stipulate that Riley and I are completely equals in this game--each can thump the other at any given time...

JoeDirt:   -125
mfriley33:   +220

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/01/05, 03:42:17 PM
I must stipulate that Riley and I are completely equals in the bedroom --each can thump the other at any given time...

Realist Odds for those we know

Riley     +300
Foster  +300
Beales  +300
Dirt       +325  (hosting disadvantage)
Bandur  +600
GDavis   +600
Azz        +600
Each Unknown  +600
Fighon    +1000
Field (mclane, Gantry, Flood, Malnu)   +2500      

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/01/05, 03:42:17 PM
I must stipulate that Riley and I are completely equals in this game--each can thump the other at any given time...

JoeDirt:   -125
mfriley33:   +220

That's the beauty of real sportsbook gambling.  The better team does not necessarily have the lower line.  The lines follow the money (or in this case the votes).  

This reminds me of a UFC event almost 2 years ago where Tank Abbot fought Kimo.  The odds were -115 on both fighters.  This was ridiculous that the odds were even.  There is no way in hell Kimo could have lost that fight.  I put the maximum bet of $500 down on sportsinteraction, and Kimo won in less that 2 minutes in the 1st round.

I think our sample size is way too small to have the "bets" affecting the odds...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/01/05, 04:27:11 PM
I think our sample size is way too small to have the "bets" affecting the odds...

If you factor in credibility, you are absolutely correct.  If credibility is ignored, then 1 "bet" could significantly affect the odds on a sample size this small.

That's exactly what I'm saying---1 bet should never affect odds in a significant manner.

It really depends how big that bet is

Quote from: ultimate7 on 06/02/05, 08:17:33 AM
It really depends how big that bet is

That is a given.  For the purposes of this thread, all "bets" were assumed to be equal.

yeah, dummy (ult).

Quote from: ultimate7 on 06/01/05, 03:49:17 PM
Realist Odds for those we know

Riley     +300
Foster  +300
Beales  +300
Dirt       +325  (hosting disadvantage)
Bandur  +600
GDavis   +600
Azz        +600
Each Unknown  +600
Fighon    +1000
Field (mclane, Gantry, Flood, Malnu)   +2500      

Are you willing to take action on those lines?

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/03/05, 09:18:12 AM
Are you willing to take action on those lines?

I say let's just fill out our brackets and each throw in $1-$5 in and make in interesting!

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/03/05, 10:17:14 AM
I say let's just fill out our brackets and each throw in $1-$5 in and make in interesting!

That would be cool.  How would we fill in brackets for something like this though.  Aren't there loser/winner brackets and whatnot?

Otherwise, FOR FUN, I would be willing to take small bets on my lines.  (Max $45 dollar payout).  Not willing to get raped; just thinking like 1-2 dollar bets.
Would also take fake bets, in case you would like to see how well you would do.  Just PM me. Edit (or post them)



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	+205
mfriley33:	+260
GDavis:	+475
fightonusc:	+800
fknmclane:	+1700
Gantry:	+1700
SmokedUBad:	+335
DXXPAC321:	+2500
malnuboy:	+2500
CurtFlood:	+3200
Attezzobal:	+910
wiggum:	+360
Steve Katz:	+605
Trevor Martin:	+605
Josh Payne:	+605
Rob Conzelman:	+605
Other/Reserve:	+4500

PM you?  No way, let's have 'em all posted so we can all see what is up...just for funsies, you know.  :)

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/03/05, 12:15:20 PM
PM you?  No way, let's have 'em all posted so we can all see what is up...just for funsies, you know.  :)

fine w/ me.

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This reminds me of a UFC event almost 2 years ago where Tank Abbot fought Kimo.  The odds were -115 on both fighters.  This was ridiculous that the odds were even.  There is no way in hell Kimo could have lost that fight.  I put the maximum bet of $500 down on sportsinteraction, and Kimo won in less that 2 minutes in the 1st round.

That fight was sad...Tank didn't get a single hit in.

Quote from: CurtFlood on 06/03/05, 01:23:08 PM

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This reminds me of a UFC event almost 2 years ago where Tank Abbot fought Kimo.  The odds were -115 on both fighters.  This was ridiculous that the odds were even.  There is no way in hell Kimo could have lost that fight.  I put the maximum bet of $500 down on sportsinteraction, and Kimo won in less that 2 minutes in the 1st round.

That fight was sad...Tank didn't get a single hit in.

Sad indeed.  Kimo was able to bicep choke him while in Tanks guard.  That should never happen.  However, anyone that follows the sport knew tank had no chance in hell.

SmokedUBad: +335
DXXPAC321: +2500
wiggum: +360

I would put like $5 on Smoked, $5 on Wiggum and $1 on DXXPAC321, but let's just say fake money since I see no real need to be sending $15 checks for bets on an RBI tourney.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 06/03/05, 01:58:19 PM
SmokedUBad: +335
DXXPAC321: +2500
wiggum: +360

I would put like $5 on Smoked, $5 on Wiggum and $1 on DXXPAC321, but let's just say fake money since I see no real need to be sending $15 checks for bets on an RBI tourney.

Cool.  Will put you down.  Your winnings will be paid in monopoly money. :)

My prediction... PAIN!

Quote from: GDavis on 06/03/05, 02:49:44 PM
My prediction... PAIN!

Payne?

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/03/05, 10:36:59 AM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/03/05, 10:17:14 AM
I say let's just fill out our brackets and each throw in $1-$5 in and make in interesting!

That would be cool.  How would we fill in brackets for something like this though.  Aren't there loser/winner brackets and whatnot?

Otherwise, FOR FUN, I would be willing to take small bets on my lines.  (Max $45 dollar payout).  Not willing to get raped; just thinking like 1-2 dollar bets.
Would also take fake bets, in case you would like to see how well you would do.  Just PM me. Edit (or post them)



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	+205
mfriley33:	+260
GDavis:	+475
fightonusc:	+800
fknmclane:	+1700
Gantry:	+1700
SmokedUBad:	+335
DXXPAC321:	+2500
malnuboy:	+2500
CurtFlood:	+3200
Attezzobal:	+910
wiggum:	+360
Steve Katz:	+605
Trevor Martin:	+605
Josh Payne:	+605
Rob Conzelman:	+605
Other/Reserve:	+4500

Bumpst.....
Get your votes in

Josh Payne pulled out of the tournament. Stock, fixing your fucking aviator lines

Quote from: fightonusc on 06/10/05, 11:12:35 AM
Josh Payne pulled out of the tournament. Stock, fixing your fucking aviator lines

Is there a replacement yet?

Edit:  Never Mind
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=7410.0

Updated for Fighton...

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/10/05, 08:56:48 AM

Otherwise, FOR FUN, I would be willing to take small bets on my lines.  (Max $45 dollar payout).  Not willing to get raped; just thinking like 1-2 dollar bets.
Would also take fake bets, in case you would like to see how well you would do.  Just PM me. Edit (or post them)



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	+205
mfriley33:	+260
GDavis:	+475
fightonusc:	+800
fknmclane:	+1700
Gantry:	+1700
SmokedUBad:	+335
DXXPAC321:	+2500
malnuboy:	+2500
CurtFlood:	+3200
Attezzobal:	+910
wiggum:	+360
Steve Katz:	+605
Trevor Martin:	+605
TecmoBowlTerror:	+565
Rob Conzelman:	+605
Other/Reserve:	+4900

glad to see I've got some major RBI street cred...

i want to bet, i want to bet. . . . . how???

Quote from: Ryno on 06/11/05, 01:32:24 PM
i want to bet, i want to bet. . . . . how???

First I will need your social security number, bank account numbers, home address, mother's maiden name and your credit card number with the highest credit line (don't forget to include the 3 digit verification number on the back); then we can get started.
Or you can just post it HERE what you want.

I got 500 bucks (what's the max?) on Beales making it out of the first round...If there are any team props, I'd also like to bet the over on 26+ hits/runs/errors, and a slaughter in game two, both these bets will also be 500 bucks

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/03/05, 10:36:59 AM
Otherwise, FOR FUN, I would be willing to take small bets on my lines.  (Max $45 dollar payout).  Not willing to get raped; just thinking like 1-2 dollar bets.
Would also take fake bets, in case you would like to see how well you would do.  Just PM me (or post them)

Sorry tezz, I don't know enough about the 16 RBI skills to get fancy here. 

Lines close at 4 ET today.   ;D

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/10/05, 01:02:39 PM
Updated for Fighton...

Quote from: stockw19 on 06/10/05, 08:56:48 AM

Otherwise, FOR FUN, I would be willing to take small bets on my lines.  (Max $45 dollar payout).  Not willing to get raped; just thinking like 1-2 dollar bets.
Would also take fake bets, in case you would like to see how well you would do.  Just PM me. Edit (or post them)



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

JoeDirt:	+205
mfriley33:	+260
GDavis:	+475
fightonusc:	+800
fknmclane:	+1700
Gantry:	+1700
SmokedUBad:	+335
DXXPAC321:	+2500
malnuboy:	+2500
CurtFlood:	+3200
Attezzobal:	+910
wiggum:	+360
Steve Katz:	+605
Trevor Martin:	+605
TecmoBowlTerror:	+565
Rob Conzelman:	+605
Other/Reserve:	+4900

my trifecta:

1.  Clever Trevor Marteen  (2)

2.  Mark Labozxwerrrewe (pics? of mustache please) (1)

3.  Wiggum (1)

Quote from: Teddyballgame on 06/24/05, 10:30:07 AM

3. Wiggum (1)

Wiggum (Colin Foster) pulled out...so good luck with your trifecta.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 06/24/05, 10:35:28 AM

Wiggum pulled out.

Tell him, you can still get a chick pregnant by doing this.

then i'll pput that cool buck on my mancrush fightonusc!

  I say poolstroke72 wins the whole thing.

I'm fkn drained by now.  tourney just literally ended (12:30 am est).

and?

Quote from: Ryno on 06/26/05, 11:44:00 PM
and?

i just posted it you butt

Columbutt.