I have made an AllStar ROM with the following teams.
1. 05 AL
2. 05 NL
3. 99 AL
4. 99 NL
5. 92 AL
6. 92 NL
7. 85 AL
8. 85 NL
9. All-Time AL
10. All-Time NL
I have attached the ROM as well as an Excell file of the stats used.
Please note that this was done with out a whole lot of thought, and am just looking for some major fckups in the stats or player selection. The years are also not exact (ie "92" just means roughly the 92 season so could include players from 90-94).
Obviously the power stats are roided up, so only looking for major relative differences.
I am mostly concerned with the Pitcher stats.
Would appreciate any/all input.
Well, just looking at the all-time teams, it's pretty clear that you're not going by position- the AL team has only 1B and outfielders on it. Then there's just some flat-out weird choices - How is Dave Kingman on an all-time anything team, unless the goal of the team is to strikeout as much as humanly possible?
It would probably to be helpful to explain a bit what you're actually trying to do here, at least with regard to the all-time teams. Team 8 also seems to have way too many outfielders in the starting lineup.
Quote from: Dryden on 07/11/05, 11:37:52 AM
How is Dave Kingman on an all-time anything team, unless the goal of the team is to strikeout as much as humanly possible?
but what did you think of kingman's performance?
He was amazing. Probably the best ever.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/two-true-outcomes/
Quote from: Teddyballgame on 07/11/05, 11:52:41 AM
Quote from: Dryden on 07/11/05, 11:37:52 AM
How is Dave Kingman on an all-time anything team, unless the goal of the team is to strikeout as much as humanly possible?
but what did you think of kingman's performance?
What's my opinion of Kingman's performance? What the fuck do you think is my opinion of it? I think it was fucking horseshit. Put that in I don't fucking ... Opinion of his performance? Jesus Christ he beat us with three fucking home runs. What the fuck do you mean what is my opinion of his performance? How can you ask me a question like that? What is my opinion of his p - of his p-p-performance? Jesus Christ he hit three home runs. Jesus Christ. I'm fucking pissed off to lose the fucking game, and you ask me my opinion of his performance. Jesus Christ. I mean that's a tough question to ask me, isn't it? What is my opinion of his performance?
Tommy, how we miss you.
Quote from: Dryden on 07/11/05, 11:37:52 AM
Well, just looking at the all-time teams, it's pretty clear that you're not going by position- the AL team has only 1B and outfielders on it. Then there's just some flat-out weird choices - How is Dave Kingman on an all-time anything team, unless the goal of the team is to strikeout as much as humanly possible?
It would probably to be helpful to explain a bit what you're actually trying to do here, at least with regard to the all-time teams. Team 8 also seems to have way too many outfielders in the starting lineup.
Thanks for the input. I should have been more clear. For each of the teams I tried to get at least 3 SS/2B/3B, 3 Outfielders, and 1 catcher and First Baseman. By team I mean the 12 total batters. This was just a general rule I used. Please let me know if there are any teams with no infielders (1st basemen don't count).
Who would you replace with Kingman. I know there are a ton of worthy players, but there are only 12 spots.
Can you think of any pitchers that should be on the all-time teams that I don't have?
I don't see sandberg on the 85 team. 85 was one of his best, if not the best, statistical year.
.306(?) / 26 hr / 54 sb
I'm going to have to consider this a gay ROM ;)
Quote from: Ryno on 07/11/05, 01:11:16 PM
I don't see sandberg on the 85 team. 85 was one of his best, if not the best, statistical year.
.306(?) / 26 hr / 54 sb
I'm going to have to consider this a gay ROM ;)
It was a tossup. I put his 40 hr season on the 92 Team.
some players are worth being on 2 teams ;)
His 40 homer season came in '90, but '92 was very good too. around .300, 26 homers, 87 rbi, 25 or so steals.
I think Sandberg should be in the hall of fame. . . .
Quote from: Ryno on 07/11/05, 01:28:23 PM
some players are worth being on 2 teams ;)
His 40 homer season came in '90, but '92 was very good too. around .300, 26 homers, 87 rbi, 25 or so steals.
I think Sandberg should be in the hall of fame. . . .
QuoteThe years are also not exact (ie "92" just means roughly the 92 season so could include players from 90-94).
Quote from: stockw19 on 07/11/05, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: Ryno on 07/11/05, 01:28:23 PM
some players are worth being on 2 teams ;)
His 40 homer season came in '90, but '92 was very good too. around .300, 26 homers, 87 rbi, 25 or so steals.
I think Sandberg should be in the hall of fame. . . .
QuoteThe years are also not exact (ie "92" just means roughly the 92 season so could include players from 90-94).
Honestly, if you want to be that vague about team composition and what years count as being part of that season, you should just do what you think is right. There's really no particular group of players who "need" to be anywhere.
If you're asking for a list of the top pitchers of all-time, I'd probably include
Roger Clemens
Tom Seaver
Lefty Grove
Walter Johnson
Bob Gibson
Pete Alexander
Christy Mathewson
Randy Johnson
Warren Spahn
Cy Young
as the all-time best, with a special exception for people like Koufax, Pedro, and maybe Dizzy Dean for being great with short careers.
Who would I replace Kingman with for an all-time national league outfielder? About 100 people. For starters, DiMaggio was an ALer, so he should probably come out, too. Kiner, Brock, and Rose are not all-time greats, either.
NLers who were better: Mel Ott, Paul Waner, Roberto Clemente, Duke Snider, Zack Wheat, Joe Medwick, Billy Williams...
Thanks Dryden!
Will make some minor switches.
pete rose not an all time great? blasphemy!
Not as great as several others, no.