Ive long thought about a rom that lets you set up a definitive line-up for each team. add in the bench right away, and move guys around to any spot you want to make the teams better. with this said, is it possible to make HOU a semi legit team. If your doing this for all the teams, then id say no, as they would be a bit better as well. also i dont take defensive positions into account here.
Hou starting line-up.
Lopes
Cruz
Garner
Davis
Reynolds
Bass
Puhl/Thon
Hatcher
Ok this gives you great speed at the top then the HOU power in Garner and Davis. Reynolds and Bass follow up with thier bats and reynolds offers a little protection for Gdavis. Then maybe insert the Thon/Puhl batter of choice. Hatcher at 8 gives you some solid speed, to get a single maybe swipe a base, then get bunted to third by the pitcher.
I didnt put a ton of thought into this though, maybe more analysois after werk. As for St louis...
Coleman
Smith
Mcgee
Lindeman
Clark(or vice versa for those 2)
Morris
Pena
Pendleton
top 3 should cause some fits to defense with all that speed. with 2 capable of swiping a base, and mcgee possibly bveating out a force, they should be able to get on and move around a bit. Possibky Clark at 4 and Lindeman for protection sounds better now that i think about it. The rest of the line-up is basically the best power guys they have all in a row.
like i said id also do this for all the teams so then it might not matter a s a few of them would be better.
Boston quickly.....
Armas
Burks
Boggs
Rice
Baylor
Henderson
Evans
Gedman
Ive always like Henderson right in there with Rice, baylor but i cant bring myself to sub for boggs anymore.
have at er kids.
I like this idea...
I think SL looks pretty good there. The speed is balanced very well with the power.
SAN FRANCISCO GIGANTES
Spilman
Leonard
Will Clark
Candy
Cat Fancy
Aldrete
Chili
Speier
I thought for a sec about batting Chili leadoff but I can't take him out of his natural 7-spot. Spilman of course goes #1, mostly for Gantry. I like Leonard's speed batting second. I was always taught that the best hitter bats third, and that is of course Will Clark (an argument could also be made for Chili.) The CandyMan stays where he's at. Cat Fancy has plenty of power to bat fifth. I've always liked Aldrete off the bench, think he has good power and I like another lefty up before Chili. Chili speaks for himself. And Speier is what's left of the slop that is the rest of the Giants.
Leaving Chili 7th would be dumb:
Spillman
Leonard
Clark
Candy
Chili
Mitchell
Speier
Brenly
Save Aldrete for the bench where he is clutch, I think an argument could be made for flipping Speier and Spillman
Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/07/05, 12:53:00 PM
Leaving Chili 7th would be dumb:
Spillman
Leonard
Clark
Candy
Chili
Mitchell
Speier
Brenly
Save Aldrete for the bench where he is clutch, I think an argument could be made for flipping Speier and Spillman
I would lead off with Chili. He is the fastest on the Giants and also one of the best hitters. I would use this line-up.
Chili
Candy
Thrill
Mitchel
Leo
spilman
brenly
blood
i cant say they agree with mclane on Chili batting so low in the order. hes one of the biggest bats they got, and id would want to get him as many at bats as possible a game. Plus the bigger bats around him might mean more guys on abse for him also.
overall SF could really be improved by making a different offensive line-up. they have a lot of power for a semi over looked team as is, but a few tweaks and they could be a monster.
Detroit:
Trammell
Gibson
Evans
Brookens
Sheridan
Madlock
Whitaker
Nokes
Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/07/05, 01:53:42 PM
Detroit:
Trammell
Gibson
Evans
Brookens
Sheridan
Madlock
Whitaker
Nokes
That might make for the best bench in the game after the new line-up is put in......Gives you Lemon(882 pw) and Heath(819 pw) to pinch hit somewhere in the mix.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/07/05, 01:53:42 PM
Detroit:
Trammell
Gibson
Evans
Brookens
Sheridan Lemon
Madlock Whitaker
Whitaker Nokes
Nokes Madlock
Sheridan never does well for me, except for once off the bench. IMHO, his only good quality is that he's a lefty, but Dt has enough lefties.
Another option would be to leave herndn/bergmn in the 3/4 hole so you could get 1 ab with a supercharged DaEvns/Brooken. You would still have Sheridan and Heath on the bench.
Oops, Lemon needs to be in that lineup
Try again
Trammell
Gibson
Brookens
Evans
Lemon
Madlock
Sheridan or Whitaker
Nokes or Heath
I think a lot of you guys aren't considering that if you put a PH in, he loses his PH power boost...so Youngblood, for example, never gets the +64 and instead, in ult's example, at least, it now goes to somebody like Robby Thompson. Dare I say, in that case, people would probably love ol'Robby T.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/07/05, 02:16:59 PM
I think a lot of you guys aren't considering that if you put a PH in, he loses his PH power boost...so Youngblood, for example, never gets the +64 and instead, in ult's example, at least, it now goes to somebody like Robby Thompson. Dare I say, in that case, people would probably love ol'Robby T.
Exactly. That is why I would bat madlock 8th and leave sheridan out completely on dt. They are just not that good w/o the 1ab steroid injection.
Quote from: Stock on 10/07/05, 02:37:20 PM
They are just not that good w/o the 1ab steroid injection.
This reminds me of games like Duke Nukem where you can drink some magic concoction and become super fast.
My description sucked but what I'm trying to say is that the mental image was funny and made me laugh, and that Stock's way funnier than BDawk.
Impossible
Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/07/05, 12:53:00 PM
Leaving Chili 7th would be dumb:
You're dumb.
And I thought long and hard about batting Chili leadoff like Stock mentioned because he's fast as hell but he can't knock in a lot of runs leading off. So there.
Dummies.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/07/05, 02:16:59 PM
I think a lot of you guys aren't considering that if you put a PH in, he loses his PH power boost...so Youngblood, for example, never gets the +64 and instead, in ult's example, at least, it now goes to somebody like Robby Thompson. Dare I say, in that case, people would probably love ol'Robby T.
yeah id considerd this, and i think that it would make the late game PHs much more exciting as there would be some guys with some good power numbers in the PH situations......barrett pH'ing as opposed to stinky sullivan late would be nice. much more power.
id planed to just have the best guys in, instead of as someone mentioned putting darrel Evans in as a PH for the power up. good idea, but not along the lines of my thinking.
Quote from: TBT on 10/07/05, 05:42:25 PM
barrett pH'ing as opposed to stinky sullivan late would be nice. much more power.
No, I'm pretty sure Barret is a smoldering turd any way you slice it.
And doing the math, yes, the loser would still be sub-800 power even WITH the PH-bonus.
Wouldn't it make sense to start Sullivan and Barrett, and then ph them in their fist ab with guys like Baylor/Rice/Evans? That way you get some ph bonus for the big hitters. It's not like you ever want Marty and Stinky batting anyway.
The plot thickens...
Quote from: BeeJay on 10/07/05, 06:12:21 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to start Sullivan and Barrett, and then ph them in their fist ab with guys like Baylor/Rice/Evans? That way you get some ph bonus for the big hitters. It's not like you ever want Marty and Stinky batting anyway.
this is my thread and i get to decide how the line-ups are made...so there.....(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/bradtheimpaler/eviltongue.gif)
Great thread TBT! My ass needs to stay up with the RBI Board more often. Not keeping a guy purposely in for the PH bonus, here is my Houston analysis:
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Hou starting line-up.
Lopes
Cruz
Garner
Davis
Reynolds
Bass
Puhl/Thon
Hatcher
This needs to be said, because the guy doesn't get enough shit - Jose Cruz sucks. If you have a chance to do any order,
no way he is batting #2. I'm with mclane in thinking that your best guy goes third, and unfortunately for the Astros that is Geena. If you do that, however, you lack a legit cleanup batter but since Houston only has one guy with 805 or better power, one has to make sacrifices. Here's my take
1 - Lopes
2 - Reynolds
3 - Geena
4 - Bass
5 - Garner
Feel free to swap Bass and Garner, Phil has a bit more power but I like to alternate the lefty-righty situation early on. After these five all the rest of the guys suck and are interchangable. I don't care what anyone says Thon/Puhl/Ashby/Walling/Cruz/Doran are all the same mediocre player with slightly different names and running speeds. I would probably throw Thon Stuff in there at #6, leave Walling and Hatcher on the bench, after that it's your call...
Comments?
true dat, i didnt really analyze cruz's abilities as well as the others on the team...and hes not as fast as i thought(138). he is a turd.
id stil be tempted to bat gdavis 4th, but maybe samiched between reynolds and garner. anyways you slice it, it'll be tough to make em much better.
boston:
1.burks
2.boggs
3.armas
4.rbi
5.baylor
6.henderson
7.evans
8.owen
and that's what dreams are made of.
Quote from: nomaaa on 10/08/05, 01:33:23 PM
boston:
1.burks
2.boggs
3.armas
4.rbi
5.baylor
6.henderson
7.evans
8.owen
and that's what dreams are made of.
What the hell is this? Why would anybody pick Spike Owen over Gedman? Unless you're saying you'd automatically PH with Gedman in the 8 spot--to give him the PH pop in his 1st ab? I hope?
my thoughts exactly. because with only three extra pitchers... you really only need three pinch hitters.
..and could we get Strawberry batting 4th already. im telling you guys NY would definately be a top 10 team in RBI if he batted 4th. ;)
Quote from: TBT on 10/07/05, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: BeeJay on 10/07/05, 06:12:21 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to start Sullivan and Barrett, and then ph them in their fist ab with guys like Baylor/Rice/Evans? That way you get some ph bonus for the big hitters. It's not like you ever want Marty and Stinky batting anyway.
this is my thread and i get to decide how the line-ups are made...so there.....(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/bradtheimpaler/eviltongue.gif)
using your own emoticons is still better than the crapy ones we have here.
Hou:
Hatchr/Lopes
J Cruz
Wallng
GDavis
K Bass
Doran
Lopes/Reynolds
Garner
STL
Colman
OSmith
T Herr
JClark
McGee
Pndltn
Lndman
T Pena
Frisco...and be sure to wear flowers in your hair when you use my team.
Aldrte usually gets the start, but if he gets cold then Speir gets the start. Especially against teams who have a lefty starting the game. Aldrte is not too great against lefties. Thompson is shit. He never sniffs the field. Youngblood rarely gets a start. He only does when Aldrte or Speir need a day off.
Oh...this lineup has produced 7 RBI South San Jose Tourney Titles for me. My only losses in tourney play were against NA.
Aldrte/Speir
Mitchl
Leonrd
Mldndo
WClark
Brenly
CDavis
Spilmn
1. uribe
2. uribe
3. uribe
4. uribe
5. uribe
6. uribe
7. uribe
8. uribe
9. uribe
Quote from: broiler on 03/19/07, 02:55:44 PM
1. uribe
2. uribe
3. uribe
4. uribe
5. uribe
6. uribe
7. uribe
8. uribe
9. uribe
That was not even remotely funny wise guy.
If only Strawberry batted earlier, i think they would be much more dangerous.
Dykstra
Hojo
Carter
Strawberry(possibly flip flop with carter)
Hernandez
Knight
Heep
Mookie
alternate version
Dykstra
Mookie
HoJo
Strawberry
Carter
Hernandez
Knight
Heep
Remember though, if you insert HoJo/Heep/Tuefel types, then they are just normal hitters. They are better in the actual game because they always get the PH bonus their first AB.
I always assumed that for the purpose of a thread like this, you would eliminate the PH bonus. Otherwise, the optimal lineup would have your two or three worst players actually included in the starting lineup for the purpose of immediately replacing them.
Does RBI 3 have the PH bonus? I never noticed pinch hitters being as dominant in that version as they were in the original, but if it is there, it would change my strategy quite a bit - I always try to make the best possible starting lineup, and the PH bonus would make stacking the bench more appealing. I remember someone mentioning a glitch that can be used to give players extra power (it involved starting to make a substitution but exiting before it was finished, I think), which makes me think that the PH bonus does exist.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/23/07, 02:20:26 PM
I always assumed that for the purpose of a thread like this, you would eliminate the PH bonus. Otherwise, the optimal lineup would have your two or three worst players actually included in the starting lineup for the purpose of immediately replacing them.
thats what i had in mind originally to try and help HOU/STL to be more competative for a best starting 8(right out the gate/no PH bonus in mind). id still like to someday make this into a cart if i ever figure out a definitive line-up for each team. Dirt once suggested taking the bottom 4 or so (hou/stl/min/ny) and putting thier best players on the bench so those weaker hitting team at least get some added pop for a couple at bats early...but not with any other teams.
If i did this with all teams then it would sort of defeat the purpose of trying to make things more even. and even or more competative is what i had in mind with this thread.
another things id love to do is set up a fantasy draft here for the 10 ball clubs(with ATG play in mind), and once its done make that rom into a cart. it would almost give you a whole new angle on playing some RBI. perhaps repalce the all star teams with the names of some other teams that were strong back in 86/87 but missed the playoffs.
This raises another strategic question - if you could put whatever players you wanted on the bench to get the PH bonus, would you do that with the best players, to get really great power, or mediocre players, to make them semi-great for that at-bat? I'd think putting in a great hitter would be practically begging for an intentional walk, although I suppose those hitters get pitched around quite a bit anyway, so that would just make them more dangerous for that first at-bat.
I can't say it enough - no way Jose Cruz bats second on Houston if you get to shuffle the lineup. No way...