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Title: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: redfanrod on 06/22/06, 03:03:52 PM
R.B.I. Editor gives you the capability of including pitchers hitting abilities in the game, yet I don't see people taking advantage of this opportunity when new "homebrew" ROMs are created. I've actually modified a few of these great ROMs to include hitters. For instance, Don Drysdale once hit 7 dingers in a season as a pitcher. That merits a great power rating for a "part-timer" like Drysdale. On the other end of the spectrum, it's more realistic to show that there are some .049 hitters that exist as well.

The ROMs with the pitchers' stats are fun to play with. The ".150, 0 HR" players are a bit generic. Of course, I realize that most modern American League pitchers don't take cuts at the plate (I wish MLB would eliminate the DH) but it is still more interesting to see Joaquin Andujar and his .158 average swinging for the fences.

Please let me know if this topic has been discussed too many times. I'm still a newbie!
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: ultimate7 on 06/22/06, 03:15:59 PM
Basically it would ruin the allure of the possibility of hitting a pitcher HR
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: BeefMaster on 06/22/06, 03:57:49 PM
In my RBI 2k5 ROM from last spring, I put in actual pitcher stats.  For AL pitchers, I left them with the default ratings, but I gave some NL pitchers bumps if I thought they deserved them.  There was someone who had two homers in '04, and he got a power rating in the 750 range, I think.

I agree with you on the DH - it's a stupid rule.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: redfanrod on 06/22/06, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 06/22/06, 03:15:59 PM
Basically it would ruin the allure of the possibility of hitting a pitcher HR

I've heard that nobody has ever had a pitcher hit a homerun in R.B.I. competition! I know this doesn't count, but I have hit a homerun (maybe two) with R.B.I. 4 for the Sega Genesis. These guys were all .150, 0 HR guys. I was shocked by the shot, measured at something like 375 feet...

I know, that doesn't count!
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: BeefMaster on 06/22/06, 04:18:01 PM
There are a few here who have claimed to have done it - just off the top of my head, PHole, Baines (on his arcade machine, but pitchers have the same ratings), and former forum member doveRBI.  We also Jimmy Key hit one off the base of the wall in a Fantasy RBI game - it was maybe a couple of pixels from being a wallzie.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Reds on 06/22/06, 04:36:22 PM
I've watched the computer hit a wallzie w/Jimmy Key.  But I still don't think its possible for a human to achieve.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Big Hath on 06/22/06, 05:59:22 PM
yeah, those all-star pitchers just have more power than the rest of 'em
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: broiler on 06/22/06, 06:06:41 PM
i have hit a homerun with canseco who has pitched in real life mlb play.  chew on that
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Reds on 06/22/06, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Big Hath on 06/22/06, 05:59:22 PM
yeah, those all-star pitchers just have more power than the rest of 'em

Numbers Schmumbers.

It was a watch game, I just refuse to believe it can happen I've played too many games and never seen it.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: nightwulf on 06/22/06, 07:57:57 PM
I think the biggest reason it's not used more is that it's more of a pain in the ass to come up with accurate pitcher batting statistics.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Dryden on 06/23/06, 02:08:09 PM
There's been a fair amount of discussion about it over the years, and some people have done it.  All my Roms have pitcher hitting.  The big suggestion that someone made (maybe JoeDirt?) was to turn pitcher career hitting into single season numbers to avoid having an insane power rating as the result of one fluky season by someone like Drysdale, Lemon, etc.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: redfanrod on 06/23/06, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: Dryden on 06/23/06, 02:08:09 PM
There's been a fair amount of discussion about it over the years, and some people have done it.  All my Roms have pitcher hitting.  The big suggestion that someone made (maybe JoeDirt?) was to turn pitcher career hitting into single season numbers to avoid having an insane power rating as the result of one fluky season by someone like Drysdale, Lemon, etc.
I like the way you're thinking, Dryden. I was modifying a ROM yesterday and found that Mitch Williams of Philadelphia went 1-for-1 for a 1.000 batting average. I gave him "modified" ratings that would not allow him to hit much more than .300 (if that).

The "career batting average" for pitchers might be the way to go.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Attezz on 06/23/06, 03:00:33 PM
Or you could use their 162 game average from Baseball-reference.

Warren Spahn was a beast.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: TbT on 06/23/06, 04:09:44 PM
id suggest giving them all just a tad more power, and lowering thier contact rating a ways. 

maybe drop thier contact by 20 points and raise thier power by 20 or something like that for example.

it wouldnt give anyone great results, but it might make the possibility of a very rare homer a reality.  maybe it would be something you saw twice a year.  In a tight game, youd have to be careful not to stroke one in there to the pitcher cause they could yard.

Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: Dryden on 06/23/06, 05:12:38 PM
Warren Spahn was mediocre.  Red Ruffing was good.  Bob Lemon was amazing.  Wes Ferrell was incredible.  Bob Caruthers was a beast.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: fightonusc on 06/23/06, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: Attezzobal on 06/23/06, 03:00:33 PM
Or you could use their 162 game average from Baseball-reference.

Warren Spahn was a beast.

This is basically what I do when making a ROM.
Title: Re: Pitchers hitting in R.B.I. -- why not put their stats in the game?
Post by: BDawk on 06/23/06, 05:39:42 PM
This thread sounds fun