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Title: NY line-up?
Post by: TbT on 03/09/07, 02:14:28 PM
Who/How do you sub?  Do you keep Dykstra and Wilson in?  Where's Hojo come in at?

There has been practicaly zero RBI chatter about the actual game itself the last few weeks, other than fantasy RBI, and players actual MLB accomplishments.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: ultimate7 on 03/09/07, 02:19:10 PM
Backman and Santana come out always, everyone else stays in.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/09/07, 02:22:57 PM
Dykstr
Wilson
Herndz
Carter
Strwby
BackmnHoJo
Knight
SntanaTeufel
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: TbT on 03/09/07, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/09/07, 02:22:57 PM
Dykstr
Wilson
Herndz
Carter
Strwby
BackmnHoJo
Knight
SntanaTeufel
Ed Zachary

Lenny, and Mookie will occasionally surprise and hit one out.  Probably due to the fact they get more at bats at the top, and the fact that they are weak and usually see better pitches.  Thier speed at the top is fairly valuable as well.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: GDavis on 03/09/07, 02:53:40 PM
You'd be nuts to sub out Mook or Nails
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/09/07, 04:54:33 PM
Who get the start? Ojeda or Gooden? I like to go with Ojeda-Orosco-Gooden. Rarely need to use Mcfuck.

I just like using Gooden's hard shit mixed in with some offspeed and knuckles for the last two or three innings.

Oh, it is a sound strategy.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:06:50 PM
i put in hojo for santana and leave teuful for special circumstances
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: fknmclane on 03/09/07, 05:15:38 PM
Sometimes I'll sub Teuful in for Mookie if he's not getting it done in a series.  It's really annoying that Mookie and Dykstra are the exact same, mediocre player.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:23:43 PM
whats the weakness that makes them mediocre? 
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/09/07, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:06:50 PM
i put in hojo for santana and leave teuful for special circumstances

I have done this a few times. If Backfuck can get some hits, and score a run or two, then money.

But HoJo can get it done with one swing. Backfuck is too small ball with not enough pop for me.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Reds on 03/09/07, 05:33:38 PM
Ny york sucks more dicks than a houseful of porno stars on a four day coke binge...
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/09/07, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: GoReds on 03/09/07, 05:33:38 PM
Ny york sucks more dicks than a houseful of porno stars on a four day coke binge...

So you are saying that you suck?

No team sucks. It is not the bow, but the indian.












cunted on a stick
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Big Hath on 03/09/07, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:23:43 PM
whats the weakness that makes them mediocre? 

mediocrity
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:49:37 PM
i mean, out of the three ways a player is rated, where does this so called mediocrity present itself?
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: fknmclane on 03/09/07, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: broiler on 03/09/07, 05:49:37 PM
i mean, out of the three ways a player is rated, where does this so called mediocrity present itself?

Power and they're just fast enough to make you think they're really fast but they're not.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: broiler on 03/09/07, 06:21:29 PM
nails is the fastest white man in the game, and mook aint no slouch either.  you're trippin ese.  and you dont need a shitload of power before hernandez, carter, and straw.  you need quick runners on base for the power hitters to bring in.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/09/07, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: broiler on 03/09/07, 06:21:29 PM
nails is the fastest white man in the game, and mook aint no slouch either.  you're trippin ese.  and you dont need a shitload of power before hernandez, carter, and straw.  you need quick runners on base for the power hitters to bring in.

This is very true. Speed does play a huge role for those extra bases in a tight-low scoring game.

What the fuck you thinkin mclane? Small ball is needed to go along with power.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: TbT on 03/10/07, 09:56:27 AM
IIRC Nails is a 142 speed, and Mookie is 138.   its a good 1-2 combo to get the party started.

I wonder if theres like a quotient that would help us figger out what speed a runner has to have vs a tiring pitcher throwing X MPH to steal 2nd base consistently.  I do know vs a very tired pitcher guys like Nails can swipe 2nd base.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: TβG on 03/10/07, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/09/07, 05:27:24 PM
Backfuck is too small ball with not enough pop for me.

Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/09/07, 06:51:01 PM
Small ball is needed to go along with power.

hmmm...
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: TBT on 03/10/07, 09:56:27 AM
IIRC Nails is a 142 speed, and Mookie is 138.   its a good 1-2 combo to get the party started.

I wonder if theres like a quotient that would help us figger out what speed a runner has to have vs a tiring pitcher throwing X MPH to steal 2nd base consistently.  I do know vs a very tired pitcher guys like Nails can swipe 2nd base.


Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below. For most players like in the 128-134 range for speed, my calculated guess from experience would be in the high 70's to low 80's somewhere.

By the way, I really like Teufel much better than HoJo. Teufel can get hot with some power and solid hits. HoJo just does not get enough hits to make up for his ability to hit some out.

Quote from: TBG on 03/10/07, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/09/07, 05:27:24 PM
Backfuck is too small ball with not enough pop for me.

Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/09/07, 06:51:01 PM
Small ball is needed to go along with power.

hmmm...

Oh, Backmn is really slow. So he does not make up for anything with his speed.

Basehits, bunts, and average to good speed is very beneficial in a tight-low scoring game.
If the pitcher is on and the power sluggers are not doing there thing, then the ability to adjust and play the game by manufacturing a run has been in my experience, a good way to go. By manufacturing a run, taking the at bats deep in the count, and getting hits wears down the pitcher and may frustrate the player. The direct result of this is very conducive to a mistake pitch down the cock and over the fence.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: ultimate7 on 03/10/07, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM

Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below.


This is certainly NOT true, maybe for Coleman, but I can throw out anyone else with normal pitches in the low 80's almost every time.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/10/07, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/10/07, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM

Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below.


This is certainly NOT true, maybe for Coleman, but I can throw out anyone else with normal pitches in the low 80's almost every time.

Raines and Lopes can get second with just about any pitch in the very low 80's. Sometimes Smith. That is what I remember doing. And yes, the catcher/player did throw a one hop seed to second.

A good jump is key. The problem is trying not to give it away in the batter's box.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Attezz on 03/11/07, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/10/07, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM

Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below.


This is certainly NOT true, maybe for Coleman, but I can throw out anyone else with normal pitches in the low 80's almost every time.

I second this.

It takes a perfect throw, but if you can do that, Ozzie and the likes are gone...But it's still worth trying since they're fast enough to get back in time.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Reds on 03/11/07, 02:57:25 PM
Vince very rarely even manages a clean steal around here....even against guys like Doyle...
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Briznock on 03/13/07, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/10/07, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM

Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below.


This is certainly NOT true, maybe for Coleman, but I can throw out anyone else with normal pitches in the low 80's almost every time.

Raines and Lopes can get second with just about any pitch in the very low 80's. Sometimes Smith. That is what I remember doing. And yes, the catcher/player did throw a one hop seed to second.

A good jump is key. The problem is trying not to give it away in the batter's box.

That is why you start at the top of the box and use the retreat batting style for the hit and run.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Darky on 03/13/07, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Briznock on 03/13/07, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 03/10/07, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: The Dark Side on 03/10/07, 12:24:44 PM

Depends what runner. For instance, Coleman, Raines, Lopes, and O.Smith can steal on any pitch from 88 and below.


This is certainly NOT true, maybe for Coleman, but I can throw out anyone else with normal pitches in the low 80's almost every time.

Raines and Lopes can get second with just about any pitch in the very low 80's. Sometimes Smith. That is what I remember doing. And yes, the catcher/player did throw a one hop seed to second.

A good jump is key. The problem is trying not to give it away in the batter's box.

That is why you start at the top of the box and use the retreat batting style for the hit and run.

I love the hit and run with runners on first and second.

What about stealing third? I have done it on knucklers or when some stupid fuck left in a tired pitcher too long with Coleman, Raines or Lopes on second.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Briznock on 03/13/07, 09:55:23 AM
Its near impossible without the dead arm pitcher. 

I have snuck a couple through with the speeady cards, but its tough.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Nacho on 03/19/07, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: GoReds on 03/11/07, 02:57:25 PM
Vince very rarely even manages a clean steal around here....even against guys like Doyle...

That is odd.  I don't think Strassy has ever thrown Vince out stealing second when we play each other.
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: broiler on 03/19/07, 05:19:52 PM
does he ever hold the runner when you've got vince on first?
Title: Re: NY line-up?
Post by: Back2BackJax on 03/19/07, 10:14:18 PM
The Darkside has it right.