Dirt bag Joe and myself have discussed this a little. What are your thoughts on this?
I suppose under the Beales/Cotut format it would work out alright in a 16 man tourney. Best of 3 and 5 series play using the same team for each series you play. Clemens in game 1 and Hurst in game 2 is what im referencing here.
The only draw back i could see is with team selectrion. You could get stuck with a team you really hate for a 3 game set. Or in the case of Dirt's team selection process at the most recent tourney where Min vs NY match-ups ran amok.
By that admission though it is RBI and the teams are all different for a reason. If you hate using Cal, tough shit. Sack up and play the 3 game series with em.
PS. your mom says hi, and told me to give you her panties back. I did wash em though.
STOP LURKING DIRT!
Like I said via PM, I have significantly more experience under the 1 SP format, but personally prefer the 2 SP format.
I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit. I also personally think that 1 SP requires less skill because when you're batting, you can easily wait out the P staff and hammer 60 mph pitches. And when you're pitching 60 mph, there isn't much skill involved...eventually, you get to the point where you chuck it up there and hope for the best...
I'm obviously in the boat that 1SP is the way the game was intended.
I'd disagree with any rule making it mandatory to only use 1SP, and instead for just use the 'no reset' rule, and no exception for long extra inning games and the like.
I think team selection could be cured by just splitting them up into three groups (AL/Bos/Det...Ca/SF/NL....Min/NYM/StL/Hou) and using something similar to the poker chip thing, and then you choose between a set.
This could also cause problems, so say TBT and I are playing, and we get the second group, he wants Ca, I feel that I match up better with a lower tier team (St. Louis), so I should be allowed to dip below that group for my team selection, but not above.
Obviously the rankings for these groups will be a bit of a process to come up with, but it would certainly make the RBI board a bit more active, and would probably be some fun.
An interesting idea...I'd have a hard time with Na being grouped with Ca and Sf, though...
Cool, I'll make a couple threads...
I always thought NL was better than AL, but I played slurve, not AG, so I don't really know how the pitching staffs match up.
Polls are up, fortunately it's late at night so only Joey D, and possibly TBG and Beefmaster saw how retarded I was bringing it up, sorry if you responded in any of the original 8 threads posted, but they were all deleted (I finally figured out that posting the polls worked in internet explorer).
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/27/07, 10:21:29 PM
I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit.
Ca pitching is brutal even if they had six starting pitchers. Would you really be that upset if Man Perm was taken out of the game?
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Quote from: fknmclane on 11/28/07, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/27/07, 10:21:29 PM
I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit.
Ca pitching is brutal even if they had six starting pitchers. Would you really be that upset if Man Perm was taken out of the game?
Only because that leaves you with Corbett and Moore. They are best used when they only have to go less than 3 innings combined...
That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench. Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier. You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right?
Quote from: BeefMaster on 11/27/07, 11:06:03 PM
I always thought NL was better than AL, but I played slurve, not AG, so I don't really know how the pitching staffs match up.
I've yet to view the votes so far but NL/AL is a interesting discussion.
NL packs the wallop like no other in RBI on offense, but I have never been that enamoured by Fernando. Fernando just doesnt throw hard, and once he starts to lose it he's not that difficult to read. From there they have Bedrock outta the pen whos pretty solid and thats about it. Many times Ive seen Fernando go 4+ innings, bedrock goes for a few more, and then its up to franco for 1+ inning. Not an ideal situation
While I wont say AL is better than NL in either variation, they decidedly close the gap in 1SP games. I have a buddy who has no problem starting either Key or Saberhagen in a best of 3. When you use NL its practically a no-brainer to run Fernando out there over Buttcliffe.
I guess you dont need to be lights out pitching to AL's 6-7-8-9 batters though.
Quote from: Gantry on 11/28/07, 06:52:43 PM
That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench. Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier. You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right?
did you mean bullpen?
This is why i believe im better at 1SP games...im more of a contact pitcher. Striking out my opponent 12+times a game is not my thing. Id rather nibble and get quick ground/fly outs and conserve pitches. This leads to allowing an extra long ball or 2 here and there, but your starter goes the neccesary 6+ innings. And with the 1SP games i can usually bank on my offense putting up a few more runs as well. With any luck my crap pitcher has to go less than 1 inning.
I believe that if my main competition was polled they'd all say im pretty predictable on the mound in terms of going after guys with power up to say 875 or so.
This thread is also the reason why a guy like charlie kerfeld, and jessie orosco becomes muy importante.
Gimme NY/HOU and most likely those 2 are taking the ball on the hill to start the game. More often than not they can sneak thru that 3rd inning depending on match-ups (teams bottom 3rd of the order). Then you bring in your starter in the 4th and let him roll.
Kerfeld routinely goes thru the line up once then stays in till lindeman. If lindeman is the 3rd out then Clark gets the obligatory BB, and kerfeld goes on probation thru the rest of the inning. Its not a regular occurance but ive had kerfeld go about 5 innings many times against the weak hitting bottom 3rd of the cards. Bring in nolan/scott in the 4th or 5th and he can cruise the rest of the way.
This thread has gotten my interest in playing up, who wants to play some 1SP this weekend, I don't have much going on
Quote from: Gantry on 11/28/07, 06:52:43 PM
That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench. Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier. You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right?
IMO, the goal in 1 SP is to get 6 out of your starter...then 2 out of your best RP, and one out of your worst RP.
But if you can at least get 5 solid out of your starter, then you can go 2.2 out of a plus RP (like Orosco, Bedrock, Willie, etc) and 1.1 out of the "closer."
1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.
Quote from: fightonusc on 11/29/07, 01:33:18 PM
1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.
I don't agree with anything that fighton says here...
1 SP certainly forces you to be a better fielder and gives you more chances to field, chase down balls in the gap at the wall, etc. IMO a well played 2 SP game with top-mid tier teams will be 2-1. Whereas a 1 SP will be 5-4 or 6-5.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/29/07, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: fightonusc on 11/29/07, 01:33:18 PM
1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.
I don't agree with anything that fighton says here...
How does 1 SP NOT force you to try and work shorter innings rather than go 5+ pitches per AB for each out via K? I don't see how that wouldn't be the logical conclusion?
Quote from: fightonusc on 11/29/07, 03:08:29 PM
How does 1 SP NOT force you to try and work shorter innings rather than go 5+ pitches per AB for each out via K? I don't see how that wouldn't be the logical conclusion?
Maybe dirt bag is fuckin with us here? Theres the strategy of choosing your battles wisely. With no one on in a tight game early on vs Boston for instance im going after Jim Rice in hopes of returing him and then tip toeing around Baylor. You can not dick around with Boston's offense when facing them in 1SP. You just have to pick your poison and go with it.
Im not condoning pitching to Rice all that much, but im more likely to challenge him with an inside pitch or 2 for a surprise element.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't have said that I don't agree with anything fighton said. What I should have said is that I don't agree with this (the main point he was making):
Quote from: fightonusc on 11/29/07, 03:08:29 PM
1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.
I personally do not pitch any differently in 1 SP or 2 SP. I'm sure that is not the norm, though, so I'm not even factoring that in.
I'd submit that 2 SP requires more skill because mistakes become more magnified. If I make one mistake pitch that gets crushed in 2 SP, that mistake is proportionally greater than the same mistake in a 1 SP game (ie, there's more offense in 1 SP so one mistake isn't as significant)...
You must throw like 800 pitches a game in 1SP if your strategy is the same.
I don't change up my strategy for 2SP, but that's also because it's stupid and I never play that way, because it's not the way the game is meant to be played.
I pretty much only pitch to contact (penalty) when I use 1SP, get a couple strikes and make them swing, a good pitcher won't allow their starter to throw more than 13 pitches an inning, max, and it'll eventually choke the hitters out.
Think of it like a long spell in a good test match, you gotta smoke them out by giving them rubbish to hit, and fooling them and jamming them, and eventually they'll get frustrated and you can breeze through the middle innings
Also, two more things
1) If I ever play a series against you, Joey, I'm gonna be so classless (with my play, not like trash talking or anything), no infield fly, no allowing you to intentionally walk, and other stuff that is probably also classless that I can't exactly think of right now (like, maybe, taking your controller out as you try to retrieve a ball hit to the wall in the top of the 5th as I extend my lead to an insurmountable 18...or something).
2) You may contact Octo on behalf of myself, and tell him that I'm okay to play a few games of RBI possibly this weekend or the weekend of the 15th (but just RBI, to start)
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/29/07, 10:03:08 PM
You must throw like 800 pitches a game in 1SP if your strategy is the same.
You just assume that my 1 SP pitching strategy is what most 2 SP pitching strategies are, then...interesting...
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/29/07, 10:03:08 PM
1) If I ever play a series against you, Joey, I'm gonna be so classless (with my play, not like trash talking or anything), no infield fly, no allowing you to intentionally walk, and other stuff that is probably also classless that I can't exactly think of right now (like, maybe, taking your controller out as you try to retrieve a ball hit to the wall in the top of the 5th as I extend my lead to an insurmountable 18...or something).
I wouldn't have it any other way. That's the way I'm used to playing (save for the controller take out). You might want to throw in a few fake B button pushes when you have me in a run down, too...'cause I'll be doing that. And while you're at it, make sure if you throw a knuckle to push up ever so gently because I'll be trying to listen for it.
* The above is not the case if I agree to play by other rules before the game begins (ie, infield fly, etc)...
Quote from: Attezzobal on 11/29/07, 10:03:08 PM
2) You may contact Octo on behalf of myself, and tell him that I'm okay to play a few games of RBI possibly this weekend or the weekend of the 15th (but just RBI, to start)
I may? Thank you!
(I will)
2b) There was really no purpose for the above cricket reference, in fact, it doesn't even make any sense if you really think about it, I'm just really psyched up for the Sri Lanka/England series to start, since Murali's going for his 709th wicket, and, ya know, the possibility that bombs may go off in Kolombo during a test is also pretty exciting.
OK, Boston was probably not the best analogy for me to use earlier due to the madness of thier line-up. Lemme try to further clarify.
In 1 SP I like to exclusively stay outside. Predictable for the most part, and my regular opponents know this. On a great/good day this works fine in 1SP if you are hitting your spots. I change up my approach a bit for the 900+ power guys and obviously wanna strike them out.
My opponent could take, take, take all day but he'd be missing out on too many hittable strikes on the outside. With that said on occasion(due to the inflated offense in 1SP) Im more likely to take some chances and bust a guy like Burks/Rice inside. I'll seelct a feast of famine point in the game and attack a hitter just to change things up. I dont care to do this in 2 SP cause those balls have a propensity for ending up in the parking lot if they lock in on an inside pitch. Mostly dictated by fear i guess but id rather play a safer game of 2SP and see what happens.
However based off my record and a few games that I got hammered in during the national tourney, perhaps i need to re-think my strategy for 2SP. Bottom line, im comfortable doing what i do in 1SP. The thought of doing that more so in 2SP makes my butt hairs curl.