1 Starting pitcher (best of series) in national tourney

[TbT]

Dirt bag Joe and myself have discussed this a little.  What are your thoughts on this?

I suppose under the Beales/Cotut format it would work out alright in a 16 man tourney.  Best of 3 and 5 series play using the same team for each series you play.  Clemens in game 1 and Hurst in game 2 is what im referencing here.

The only draw back i could see is with team selectrion.  You could get stuck with a team you really hate for a 3 game set.  Or in the case of Dirt's team selection process at the most recent tourney where Min vs NY match-ups ran amok.

By that admission though it is RBI and the teams are all different for a reason.  If you hate using Cal, tough shit.  Sack up and play the 3 game series with em.

PS. your mom says hi, and told me to give you her panties back.  I did wash em though.

[TbT]

STOP LURKING DIRT!

[JoeDirt]

Like I said via PM, I have significantly more experience under the 1 SP format, but personally prefer the 2 SP format.

I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit.  I also personally think that 1 SP requires less skill because when you're batting, you can easily wait out the P staff and hammer 60 mph pitches.  And when you're pitching 60 mph, there isn't much skill involved...eventually, you get to the point where you chuck it up there and hope for the best...

[Attezz]

I'm obviously in the boat that 1SP is the way the game was intended.

I'd disagree with any rule making it mandatory to only use 1SP, and instead for just use the 'no reset' rule, and no exception for long extra inning games and the like.

I think team selection could be cured by just splitting them up into three groups (AL/Bos/Det...Ca/SF/NL....Min/NYM/StL/Hou) and using something similar to the poker chip thing, and then you choose between a set.

This could also cause problems, so say TBT and I are playing, and we get the second group, he wants Ca, I feel that I match up better with a lower tier team (St. Louis), so I should be allowed to dip below that group for my team selection, but not above.

Obviously the rankings for these groups will be a bit of a process to come up with, but it would certainly make the RBI board a bit more active, and would probably be some fun.

[JoeDirt]

An interesting idea...I'd have a hard time with Na being grouped with Ca and Sf, though...

[Attezz]

Cool, I'll make a couple threads...

[BeefMaster]

I always thought NL was better than AL, but I played slurve, not AG, so I don't really know how the pitching staffs match up.

[Attezz]

Polls are up, fortunately it's late at night so only Joey D, and possibly TBG and Beefmaster saw how retarded I was bringing it up, sorry if you responded in any of the original 8 threads posted, but they were all deleted (I finally figured out that posting the polls worked in internet explorer).

[fknmclane]

I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit.

Ca pitching is brutal even if they had six starting pitchers.  Would you really be that upset if Man Perm was taken out of the game?

[broiler]

1 starting pitcher
2 ducks
3 squawking geese

[JoeDirt]

I think with 1 SP, you're weakening Sf and Ca quite a bit.

Ca pitching is brutal even if they had six starting pitchers.  Would you really be that upset if Man Perm was taken out of the game?

Only because that leaves you with Corbett and Moore.  They are best used when they only have to go less than 3 innings combined...

[Gantry]

That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench.  Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier.  You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right? 

[TbT]

I always thought NL was better than AL, but I played slurve, not AG, so I don't really know how the pitching staffs match up.

I've yet to view the votes so far but NL/AL is a interesting discussion.

NL packs the wallop like no other in RBI on offense, but I have never been that enamoured by Fernando.  Fernando just doesnt throw hard, and once he starts to lose it he's not that difficult to read.  From there they have Bedrock outta the pen whos pretty solid and thats about it.  Many times Ive seen Fernando go 4+ innings, bedrock goes for a few more, and then its up to franco for 1+ inning.  Not an ideal situation

While I wont say AL is better than NL in either variation, they decidedly close the gap in 1SP games.  I have a buddy who has no problem starting either Key or Saberhagen in a best of 3.  When you use NL its practically a no-brainer to run Fernando out there over Buttcliffe.

I guess you dont need to be lights out pitching to AL's 6-7-8-9 batters though.  

[TbT]

That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench.  Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier.  You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right? 

did you mean bullpen?

This is why i believe im better at 1SP games...im more of a contact pitcher.  Striking out my opponent 12+times a game is not my thing.  Id rather nibble and get quick ground/fly outs and conserve pitches.  This leads to allowing an extra long ball or 2 here and there, but your starter goes the neccesary 6+ innings.  And with the 1SP games i can usually bank on my offense putting up a few more runs as well.  With any luck my crap pitcher has to go less than 1 inning.

I believe that if my main competition was polled they'd all say im pretty predictable on the mound in terms of going after guys with power up to say 875 or so.

[TbT]

This thread is also the reason why a guy like charlie kerfeld, and jessie orosco becomes muy importante. 

Gimme NY/HOU and most likely those 2 are taking the ball on the hill to start the game.  More often than not they can sneak thru that 3rd inning depending on match-ups (teams bottom 3rd of the order).  Then you bring in your starter in the 4th and let him roll.

Kerfeld routinely goes thru the line up once then stays in till lindeman.  If lindeman is the 3rd out then Clark gets the obligatory BB, and kerfeld goes on probation thru the rest of the inning.  Its not a regular occurance but ive had kerfeld go about 5 innings many times against the weak hitting bottom 3rd of the cards.  Bring in nolan/scott in the 4th or 5th and he can cruise the rest of the way.

[ultimate7]

This thread has gotten my interest in playing up, who wants to play some 1SP this weekend, I don't have much going on

[JoeDirt]

That's a good point that 1SP puts even more pressure on your bench.  Possibly a reason to move Cali to the lower tier, and maybe even take Dt off the top tier.  You pretty much HAVE to use Eric King for 2 innings right? 

IMO, the goal in 1 SP is to get 6 out of your starter...then 2 out of your best RP, and one out of your worst RP. 

But if you can at least get 5 solid out of your starter, then you can go 2.2 out of a plus RP (like Orosco, Bedrock, Willie, etc) and 1.1 out of the "closer."

[fightonusc]

1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.

[JoeDirt]

1 SP also encourages pitchers to work shorter innings - i.e., throw less for strikeouts and more to induce early AB pop outs and foul outs. I think that's a more skillful way to have to pitch, and brings an element of strategy into play that just isn't there with 2 SP.

I don't agree with anything that fighton says here...

[ultimate7]

1 SP certainly forces you to be a better fielder and gives you more chances to field, chase down balls in the gap at the wall, etc.  IMO a well played 2 SP game with top-mid tier teams will be 2-1.  Whereas a 1 SP will be 5-4 or 6-5.