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Title: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/28/09, 12:29:23 PM
http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=813
Dude  has SF/Boston tied for 11th all time. Does not really seem to know what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/28/09, 12:49:18 PM
Giants are not top 2. Det most dominant team on rom not named all-stars.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: TbT on 01/28/09, 01:34:51 PM
Utah was not the baddest squad in bases loaded...Jersey was.  they had the most retarded murderers row.  Seem to remember Hawaii was pretty stacked as well.

Blades of steel from what i remember had no differences in player attributes from team to team.  gee, nice pick butt hole.

Tecmo SB lions?  I doubt they are even considered a top 5-7 team in most "experts" circles.  I dont play TSB, but i do know of at least 5 teams better than detroit without putting much thought into it.

I'll throw my 0.02 in and mention the Japan version of Tecmo Bowl (1990) SF 49ers.  This units offense is much improved over the 1989 american version of SF.

And just for the fuck of it has a defense on par with, if not better than NYG's LT/Banks combo.  That SF squad is down right unfair to the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Shooty on 01/28/09, 01:38:54 PM
Will Clark was the best hitter in RBI?

Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: ultimate7 on 01/28/09, 01:57:12 PM
He's an idiot.  He couldn't beat the CPU in Bill Walsh against FSU?  Clemens and Clark, I think he played each game once
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Reds on 01/28/09, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Tornado Bird:  Terminated on 01/28/09, 01:34:51 PM

And just for the fuck of it has a defense on par with, if not better than NYG's LT/Banks combo.  That SF squad is down right unfair to the rest of the game.


I played some tecmo this weekend, and I had forgotten how bigger running backs in that game could break the Giants tackles.  Quite disappointing....
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/28/09, 02:18:52 PM
You could go 81-1 with any team on NHL 2002.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: TbT on 01/28/09, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Reds on 01/28/09, 02:04:35 PM
I played some tecmo this weekend, and I had forgotten how bigger running backs in that game could break the Giants tackles.  Quite disappointing....

By bigger do you mean Mack, Bo, and Walker?  They can't break tackles against human defenders.  Unless those humans have big fat slow thumbs.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Gantry on 01/28/09, 04:25:18 PM
I was just thinking that, you sure you also pressing the buttons Reds?  Or is that a "hit the buttons to run faster" myth in Tecmo? 
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Gantry on 01/28/09, 04:32:51 PM
OK I signed up to set the SF record straight.  I think if he listed Boston alone it's debatable but you can still see it.  San Fran on the other hand can't compare.  Does anyone consider them a top3 team in any format?  Maybe one or two folks would put them 3rd in anything goes...
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Reds on 01/28/09, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: Tornado Bird:  Terminated on 01/28/09, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Reds on 01/28/09, 02:04:35 PM
I played some tecmo this weekend, and I had forgotten how bigger running backs in that game could break the Giants tackles.  Quite disappointing....

By bigger do you mean Mack, Bo, and Walker?  They can't break tackles against human defenders.  Unless those humans have big fat slow thumbs.

I dunno.  Anytime I'm in a one on one situation where I got a guy wrapped up with LT or Banks they can never take the guy down and get thrown.  I suppose I have big fat slow thumbs.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Attezz on 01/28/09, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Gantry on 01/28/09, 04:32:51 PM
OK I signed up to set the SF record straight.  I think if he listed Boston alone it's debatable but you can still see it.  San Fran on the other hand can't compare.  Does anyone consider them a top3 team in any format?  Maybe one or two folks would put them 3rd in anything goes...

I went ahead and signed up as well.

Your comment may have been a tad nicer than mine.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/28/09, 09:33:13 PM
so fiery
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: ryno on 01/28/09, 10:08:58 PM
I think Philly was the best team on Bases Loaded.  Jersey had Paste and Bay -- Past of the .467 average (or something crazy like that ) but he wasn't as good as his stats indicated.

Philly had solid hitters, good power, and a good pitching staff.


Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/28/09, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: ryno on 01/28/09, 10:08:58 PM
I think Philly was the best team on Bases Loaded.  Jersey had Paste and Bay -- Past of the .467 average (or something crazy like that ) but he wasn't as good as his stats indicated.


Paste also had 60 homers, I think, but he could be neutralized - he was one of the guys who would charge the mound and get ejected if you hit him.

Quote from: Tornado Bird:  Terminated on 01/28/09, 01:34:51 PM
Tecmo SB lions?  I doubt they are even considered a top 5-7 team in most "experts" circles.  I dont play TSB, but i do know of at least 5 teams better than detroit without putting much thought into it.

Easily better than the Lions:
Giants (assuming you can change the playbook)
49ers
Bills
Chiefs
Bears
Eagles

Arguably better:
Vikings (awesome defense, poor offense)
Raiders (best defenders in inconvenient spots)
Bengals
Chargers
Oilers

Barry was awesome, but the QB and receivers were mediocre, and the defense was only decent (fast LOLB with no hitting power, above-average SS, one above-average ILB, good NT).  Also, Barry wasn't even the best RB in the game - Bo was faster, and I think he even had more hitting power.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/28/09, 11:54:29 PM
Also, his analysis of Griffey is way off - Junior did not hit a homer every time up, and I don't know that he was even any better than Barry Bonds (or whatever the guy's fake name was) in that game.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: nomaaa on 01/29/09, 02:07:05 AM
i think every single last one of these is fucking stupid.

i saw blades of steel and closed the link
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: Gantry on 01/29/09, 09:57:25 AM
Quote from: ryno on 01/28/09, 10:08:58 PM
I think Philly was the best team on Bases Loaded.  Jersey had Paste and Bay -- Past of the .467 average (or something crazy like that ) but he wasn't as good as his stats indicated.

I completely disagree, Paste was a fkn hammer.  If you didn't hit him, he's going deep every game...
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: TempoGL on 01/29/09, 10:25:51 AM
I hate lists like these, they are the list equivalent of Family Guy.  Rather than putting thought into it, I think he just picked 25 sports games he liked and named random teams, so people could read the list and say "OH I REMEMBER KEN GRIFFEY BASEBALL ON SNES DSLFHLSDFUOSDFSDOIFSDFS!!!!!"

I read his previous list, and he claims that the one game he lost as the Red Wings was because his girlfriend came over and he had to simulate.  First of all, I call shenanigans and bet anything that this guy is a virgin.  Secondly, it's called TURN OFF THE PLAYSTATION.  No cosmic force is mandating that you simulate to finish, just turn it off and start over again.

This reminds me of that thread that I made about Larry King making up a story about Bob Gibson just so he'd have something to say on the baseball documentary that he was puzzlingly interviewed for.

EDIT: Just saw attabobble's comment..AWESOME...good to see we are on the same exact page.  i heart that.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tornado Bird:  Terminated on 01/28/09, 01:34:51 PM
Utah was not the baddest squad in bases loaded...Jersey was.  they had the most retarded murderers row.  Seem to remember Hawaii was pretty stacked as well.

Blades of steel from what i remember had no differences in player attributes from team to team.  gee, nice pick butt hole.

Tecmo SB lions?  I doubt they are even considered a top 5-7 team in most "experts" circles.  I dont play TSB, but i do know of at least 5 teams better than detroit without putting much thought into it.

I'll throw my 0.02 in and mention the Japan version of Tecmo Bowl (1990) SF 49ers.  This units offense is much improved over the 1989 american version of SF.

And just for the fuck of it has a defense on par with, if not better than NYG's LT/Banks combo.  That SF squad is down right unfair to the rest of the game.


This is a rating system used over at Tecmo Players Circuit. It is based on ratings in TSBmanager.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/op4j9g.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports articl
Post by: TempoGL on 01/29/09, 01:43:43 PM
what do the numbers mean, MR RBI?
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports articl
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: Strassy on 01/29/09, 01:43:43 PM
what do the numbers mean, MR RBI?
This link explains the whole system and how it works.

http://www.sois.com/tpc/soispoll4.php
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: ultimate7 on 01/29/09, 01:47:38 PM
How does that pt ADJ work?  I guarantee I can be competitive with Phx (assuming playbook changes) against all but the top few teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: ultimate7 on 01/29/09, 01:47:38 PM
How does that pt ADJ work?  I guarantee I can be competitive with Phx (assuming playbook changes) against all but the top few teams.
Yes indeed. I agree look at which team I've used the most on rom. Playbook change is allowed. You can use even team roms also which is not factored on the point system.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports articl
Post by: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports articl
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.

I want numbers, not speculation.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.

I want numbers, not speculation.
13 con/882 pow
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/29/09, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.

I want numbers, not speculation.
13 con/882 pow
Thats great.
Where does he rank?
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:08:23 PM
On the TSB ratings, I am surprised that Houston is so high and Atlanta and Phoenix are so low.  I wholeheartedly agree with the bottom three - they're easily the worst, and the teams I pick when I want a challenge.  I think NE is better than Seattle - they at least have a couple of good defensive players (Agnew, Lippett, maybe Tippett if he's in good or better condition).
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.

I want numbers, not speculation.
13 con/882 pow
Thats great.
Where does he rank?
I don't have the facts for this to be honest.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:08:23 PM
On the TSB ratings, I am surprised that Houston is so high and Atlanta and Phoenix are so low.  I wholeheartedly agree with the bottom three - they're easily the worst, and the teams I pick when I want a challenge.  I think NE is better than Seattle - they at least have a couple of good defensive players (Agnew, Lippett, maybe Tippett if he's in good or better condition).
Oilers have a sick offense. It is impossible to constantly stop them as CC's and JJ's happen all the time. They also have one of the best DB's in the game Dick Dick who covers the whole field.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/29/09, 01:50:20 PM
Where does Will Clark rank in RBI numbers wise? (con/pow)
I doubt he makes top 20 in each.

I want numbers, not speculation.
13 con/882 pow
Thats great.
Where does he rank?

19th in contact (tied with Walling), 25th in power (tied with Lemon).
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:08:23 PM
On the TSB ratings, I am surprised that Houston is so high and Atlanta and Phoenix are so low.  I wholeheartedly agree with the bottom three - they're easily the worst, and the teams I pick when I want a challenge.  I think NE is better than Seattle - they at least have a couple of good defensive players (Agnew, Lippett, maybe Tippett if he's in good or better condition).
Oilers have a sick offense. It is impossible to constantly stop them as CC's and JJ's happen all the time. They also have one of the best DB's in the game Dick Dick who covers the whole field.

What are CCs and JJs?

Johnson's good, but it's not like he's Rod Woodson or anything.  Plus, I like to use LBs rather than DBs, and their LBs (except Childress, who is in the least convenient LB spot) are absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: fknmclane on 01/29/09, 02:34:00 PM
Fkn Childress gets the shit kicked out of him, the bottom LB gets blown up more often than not.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: MRRBI on 01/29/09, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 02:08:23 PM
On the TSB ratings, I am surprised that Houston is so high and Atlanta and Phoenix are so low.  I wholeheartedly agree with the bottom three - they're easily the worst, and the teams I pick when I want a challenge.  I think NE is better than Seattle - they at least have a couple of good defensive players (Agnew, Lippett, maybe Tippett if he's in good or better condition).
Oilers have a sick offense. It is impossible to constantly stop them as CC's and JJ's happen all the time. They also have one of the best DB's in the game Dick Dick who covers the whole field.

What are CCs and JJs?

Johnson's good, but it's not like he's Rod Woodson or anything.  Plus, I like to use LBs rather than DBs, and their LBs (except Childress, who is in the least convenient LB spot) are absolutely horrible.

CC=Covered Catches

JJ=Jumping Jackass
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 04:51:10 PM
I find that Cleveland consistently pulls off the most of those annoying covered catches, with the Rams being close behind.  I haven't noticed it as much with Houston, but maybe it happens more in Man vs. Man games - I usually play the computer.

The "jumping jackass" I assume is when the receiver is covered on a fly pattern but makes the leaping catch on the overthrown ball.  Moon has really high passing speed... I usually think of that as a bad thing for those plays (Dave Kreig, with the worst passing speed in the game, has always been really good at those for me), but I could be wrong about that.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: MR R.B.I. on 01/29/09, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/29/09, 04:51:10 PM
I find that Cleveland consistently pulls off the most of those annoying covered catches, with the Rams being close behind.  I haven't noticed it as much with Houston, but maybe it happens more in Man vs. Man games - I usually play the computer.

The "jumping jackass" I assume is when the receiver is covered on a fly pattern but makes the leaping catch on the overthrown ball.  Moon has really high passing speed... I usually think of that as a bad thing for those plays (Dave Kreig, with the worst passing speed in the game, has always been really good at those for me), but I could be wrong about that.
Kreig is a beast with that slow PS. I have my own league/site you should check out one day. I run a sweet league with stat extractor and player performance gains etc.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: ryno on 01/29/09, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: Gantry on 01/29/09, 09:57:25 AM
Quote from: ryno on 01/28/09, 10:08:58 PM
I think Philly was the best team on Bases Loaded.  Jersey had Paste and Bay -- Past of the .467 average (or something crazy like that ) but he wasn't as good as his stats indicated.

I completely disagree, Paste was a fkn hammer.  If you didn't hit him, he's going deep every game...


I rarely homered with him.  He'd hit the ball hard.   The guys who's stance was similar to Bay's were always money. . .. kind of an upright stance with a slight bend at the knee.  Agua for Utah had this same stance.

Freida had the "paste" stance and was a masher.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: bonny on 01/29/09, 07:18:39 PM
Baker for Kansas was no joke either.  They had nice pitching too.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports articl
Post by: Darky on 02/07/09, 01:17:18 PM
I agree with the dude's assessment of SF and BO in RBI.

He's way off the mark with the Lions in TSB...their defense sucks. I have ran that rom many times, and they do not win consistently.
Title: Re: Top 25 Most Dominant Teams in Sports Gaming History -Operation Sports article
Post by: ultimate7 on 02/08/09, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: DÄrky on 02/07/09, 01:17:18 PM
I agree with the dude's assessment of SF and BO in RBI.


OK, you agree they are the 2 best teams, I don't think that in and of itself is that strange.  But do you really believe that they are dominant over the other teams in the game?