Here, so you can get up to speed:
Quote from: Re-Peat on 05/21/09, 03:51:59 PM
Brunansky plays IF now?
Quote from: Dårky on 05/21/09, 05:01:22 PM
No, not according to the draft sheet. I just looked at it.
This just may result in a forfeiture of some of their games. I guess TBT was not aware of the exact position of his players when he gave me the lineup at the beginning of the season and I made the mistake of not double checking. Honest mistakes.
His current line-up needs to be changed in accordance with the rules (3 of, 4 inf, 1 c).
The Artichokes have had 4 OF's in their starting line-up all year.
The Arthichoks have been using an illegal line-up all year according to the rules.
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=22551.0
It was not intentional. We need to discuss and decide a solution for this unfortunate accident. Yes it sucks, but the Artichokes had an illegal line-up and I was just wanted to hear your thoughts about this.
Here is the current illegal line-up right now:
CDavis OF
Gladdn OF
DaEvns IF
Brnsky OF
Lindmn OF
Pndltn IF
Lmbrdz IF
Lake C
Bergmn IF
Franco IF
Hrndn OF
Oqendo IF
Looks like that they are at .500 and it's an honest mistake. Forfeit their games? Come on, just change the lineup and move on...
Nice integrity of the league, dipshit.
I'll wait for everybody to voice their opinion before a solution is agreed upon.
Take Gladdn out of the lineup, and are the Artichokes at the same record? Better record? Or worse? They are neck and neck with the Chocolate Rain. nomaa's views on this will have a heavy influence.
Week 19 is suspended as well as the season indefinitely until this situation is resolved...meaning everybody in the league voice their views so we can decide.
If there is any conflict in resolving this, a vote will take place if it comes down to that.
I also need to wait for TBT to give me his new and legal line-up before week 19. The current illegal line-up shall not be accepted and needs to be changed in accordance with the rules ASAP.
Quote from: Gantry on 05/21/09, 05:22:25 PM
Looks like that they are at .500 and it's an honest mistake. Forfeit their games? Come on, just change the lineup and move on...
I did not say all of their games if you look at the post I quoted. I said some. It was only a suggestion. I'm just trying to manage this delicate situation as fair as possible. I want everybody to say something about this so everybody is happy with the decision...
My suggestion for worse case scenario for the Artichokes, is that they forfeit 1 game against every opponent in the league. They have beaten everybody once.
My suggestion for best case scenario for the Artichokes is that no games are forfeited and their line-up is simply changed.
Another suggestion is that they forfeit their league games.
Or they forfeit only one game, say to Chocolate Rain.
Worst. Commissioner. Ever.
This is a travshockery.
The Artichokes should have to forfeit Bruno to the Rebel Alliance, who will then get to start him as their catcher.
That seems like the most fair solution to me...
since i apparently have a say in this for some reason, i need someone to outline exactly what this means, who fucked up, and what's going to happen if i make one decision or the other.
"Darky, you're doing a heckuva job."
~~Doverbi league standings~~
Galactic Empire (13-5) (9-2)
Unholy Legions of Doom (11-7) (7-4)
Fighting Artichokes (9-9) (3-8)
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Chocolate Rain (8-10) (5-7)
Rebel Alliance (6-12) (4-7)
You can suggest we ignore it, in which place he maintains his 1 game lead over you.
You can suggest his games are all forfeited until now, in which case you basically lock up a playoff spot.
You can suggest replaying all his games (or perhaps only his wins! >_>) and see if that changes things.
You can have sex with Darky and instantly get into the playoffs.
Move on. Gantry makes a great point.
Darky is a dip shit, but I don't think there was any intentional bull shit going on.
The only thing he's guilty of is screwing with each and everyone of my games.
Ha, i blame Attezz! I went with whatever line-up he'd posted when the team was still his. All I for some reason I remember Gladden as a 3rd baseman(?)
Remove gladden and put in franco in his place in the batting order.
Quote from: nomaaa on 05/21/09, 06:43:08 PM
since i apparently have a say in this for some reason, i need someone to outline exactly what this means, who fucked up, and what's going to happen if i make one decision or the other.
Your views on this will be discussed with everybody. Your views on this do not decide what happens. Only contributes as to how we should proceed.
I take fault for not checking to see the line-up that TBT gave me before week 1 was in accordance with the rules. TBT was filling in for Attez after Attez quit the league, and apparently TBT was not aware of the players exact positions when he submitted the line-up. Honest mistakes. The biggest was mine for not double checking all the starting line-ups to see if they are legal.
However, Attez submitted this lineup below, and he too made an honest mistake. I don't think he would try and cheat by submitting an illegal lineup, but it's not impossible.
http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=22489.340
In case you don't check the link, here is the lineup he gave me without clarifying the players positions to me:
Gladden
Davis
Brunansky
Evans
Lindeman
Pendleton
Lombardozzi
Lake
B:Bergmann
Franco
Herndon
Oquendo
Pitching
Hernandez
Gooden
MScott
Reardon
Here are the bench player's ratings. The IF's are the ones who would have vacated either Gladdn or Bruno's place in the order:
Bergmn IF: Contact 23, Power 789, Speed 120
Franco IF: Contact 11, Power 741, Speed 140
Hrndn OF: Contact 10. Power 759, Speed 122
Oqendo IF: Contact 21, Power 759, Speed 126
Here are the likely players who would not be starting (Bruno and CDavis are the other OF starters):
Gladdn OF: Contact 20, Power 759, Speed 140
Lindmn OF: Contact 38, Power 861, Speed 124
I'm definitely up for giving TBT the benfit of the doubt. If you put bruno in for gladden and then Franco in for Bruno you can even argue that the lineup is better...
I think TBT should only be forced to change his lineup and move on.
Darky, on the other hand, is hereby sentenced to live in an arctic socialist European country whose bars are full of the most hideous creatures on the planet.
Another idea might be to suspend Bruno for the remainder of the season for fudging his eligibility.
Quote from: Dårky on 05/21/09, 07:12:44 PM
Franco IF: Contact 11, Power 741, Speed 120
Swing and a miss...
Strike two for Darky.
damn i thought franco had wheels...i was about to make the argument that gladden and franco were a push....guess i was wrong again.
fuck it, gimme bergman in the 2nd spot of the line-up instead of franco.
Lindeman is practically the team MVP this season..he must stay.
Quote from: Tornado Bird: Terminated on 05/21/09, 07:16:57 PM
damn i thought franco had wheels...i was about to make the argument that gladden and franco were a push....guess i was wrong again.
fuck it, gimme bergman in the 2nd spot of the line-up instead of franco.
Lindeman is practically the team MVP this season..he must stay.
Franco's speed is 140. He has 20 less power than gladden, but also 10 less contact. I would go with Franco over Gladden anyday myself.
Quote from: Tornado Bird: Terminated on 05/21/09, 07:16:57 PM
damn i thought franco had wheels...i was about to make the argument that gladden and franco were a push....guess i was wrong again.
fuck it, gimme bergman in the 2nd spot of the line-up instead of franco.
Lindeman is practically the team MVP this season..he must stay.
Franco does, I just edited the post. I made a mistake. My bad. His speed is 140, not 120.
Quote from: Dårky on 05/21/09, 07:18:38 PM
Franco does, I just edited the post. I made a mistake. My bad. His speed is 140, not 120.
Quote from: Dårky on 05/21/09, 07:12:44 PM
Franco IF: Contact 11, Power 741, Speed 144
And Darky goes down swinging.
i thouight that sounded fishy...i KNEW franco was speedy. fuck it gladden and franco are a push.
i say it doesnt make a damn bit of difference. if the league overturns my wins, then so be it but I dont think the difference between gladden and franco would cause a damn bit of difference in the standings other than a game or 2 to the good or the bad.
carry on. nothing to see here folks.
I'd also like to propose that TBT be forced to wear a Hawkeye jersey to his next tailgating event in Ames, and post pics.
and scratch that bergman talk...gimme franco batting 2nd and make gladden the 1st pinch hitter.
Quote from: Re-Peat on 05/21/09, 07:22:34 PM
I'd also like to propose that TBT be forced to wear a Hawkeye jersey to his next tailgating event in Ames, and post pics.
and I'd like to propose that your face and a motherfucking shovel meet at a rapid rate of speed.
I think we should just change the lineup and move on. No malice anywhere around. Of course, I say that with there being no problems to speak of for my team. I can understand if people would be bothered by it who are in the playoff hunt.
Okay. I think I see how this is going. I'll just make the switch and we will carry on with the season.
So far, nobody has talked of a forfeiture of games, and nomaaa appears to be easy about it. It really does not matter to me. Franco and Gladden do seem like a push.
Right now the decision is to not do anything but change the lineup. The Artichokes record remains as it is.
If there are any objections, you have 2 days to make an appeal.
Thank you
The Dark Side, FRBI V Commissioner and President of the Galactic Senate.
I propose we force a lock out and no RBI world series this year....then to resurrect the leagues approval rating with the fans in subsequent seasons the commish bumps up power ratings to ridiculous levels....
dip shit
Quote from: Tornado Bird: Terminated on 05/21/09, 07:31:30 PM
I propose we force a lock out and no RBI world series this year....then to resurrect the leagues approval rating with the fans in subsequent seasons the commish bumps up power ratings to ridiculous levels....
This.
I wanna see pitchers not guide tired until 300 pitches in.... which would be in the 2nd inninng after 40 homers.
All their wins should be forfeited or replayed
Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/21/09, 08:35:52 PM
All their wins should be forfeited or replayed
Are you appealing all their wins? Nobody else has an issue thus far.
However, you may appeal your loss to the Artichokes and request the game be replayed.
A vote would have to take place for this to occur. At least three FRBI V members have to vote in order for the vote to come to the Senate. The more FRBI V members who vote, the better of course.
If ultimate think their wins should be replayed, I don't fault him for it. At least the games against his team should be replayed.
I'm 100% in favour of someone agreeing that the artichokes would b efucking undefeated if Hernandez was allowed o start.
Quote from: Nacho on 05/21/09, 10:49:13 PM
If ultimate think their wins should be replayed, I don't fault him for it. At least the games against his team should be replayed.
If Ultimate specifies he wants this, then the vote would go 3-0. I'd vote to allow the game to be replayed.
I'm also considering putting up the game that I lost to the Artichokes in week 15 to protest in order to be replayed. Attez submitted a faulty line-up from the get go and the league is weak on quality support since I am running everything. I shall sit on it and decide tomorrow.
I'm fine with just changing the lineup and moving on.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 05/22/09, 08:18:09 AM
I'm fine with just changing the lineup and moving on.
Same.
I have no issues with my loss. I'm not going to protest the game in which I lost to the Artichokes. We could have very well lost that game with Franco in there. Franco and Gladden are not really difference makers. They both are bottom tier players.
Ultimate has not said anything yet in particular about his loss to the Artichokes, but he did post that he thinks all the games that the Artichokes won should be forfeited or replayed without really stating a case as to why. Until that is done, forfeiture of Artichoke games will not happen. And replaying all the games they won is very unlikely to happen. If he does raise an issue, there will be a vote. From the tune in this thread, it sounds like the majority wants to just move on.
If Ultimate does protest his loss to the Artichokes and wants a replay, then I can see maybe TBG, Alec, nomaa, Nacho/Mike D protesting their losses to the Artichokes as well. That would be a headache for me and the league.
I think the best thing to do is continue on and not replay any games. The Artichokes did lose last night with Franco in the line-up. He had two hits, prolly what Gladden would have had.
This is the final day for anyone to officially appeal. The case closes midnight today, dee nee time.
As long as the other teams in my division that I'm chasing also lost to them, then I'm happy moving on.
I think the artichokes should have to replay any teams in my division (other than mine) that they lost to.
after reading the whole thread, i have come to the conclusion that the artichokes forfeit all of their wins to make sure the season doesn't become a sham. to make up for the mix up, however, all of his losses should be made into wins, to be sure that he isn't completely fucked. as part 3 of my decree, the galactic empire will forfeit all of their wins, as well as their losses, to assure the rest of the league nothing fishy was going on.
Here's the final ruling and a vote is required to put the ruling in action. My decision is based upon the technicality of it all and the best solution I can come with, is that in the event that the Artichokes are up by one game over the Chocolate Rain at the end of the season, that there be a one game playoff to decide the 3rd and final playoff spot.
The Chocolate Rain won the season series 2-1 over the Fighting Artichokes. So a tie between the two teams at the end of the season would result in the Chocolate Rain winning the tiebreaker based on head-to-head. Should the Artichokes finish the season 2 games ahead of the Chocolate Rain, then there shall be no special one-game playoff.
Vote
Yes- one game playoff in the event that the Artichokes are up one game on the Chocolate Rain at the end of the season
No
A vote is required by each owner and co-owner.
I vote yes to the possible proposed 1 game playoff.
I think that's as good a solution as any other.
Yes
Wait, why aren't we using a potato sack race to settle this?
And yes, that's fine.
yes
yes.
if not, i like sack races held on consecutive sundays
Quote from: nomaaa on 05/23/09, 03:21:53 PM
if not, i like sack races held on consecutive sundays
Such a well cut jib...
I vote yes as well and that makes 7 votes in favor of the 'yes scenario' which is clearly a majority vote.
The ruling is now in effect and final.
Somewhere, Attez is furiously sweating.
I don't fucking give a shit about my former team, I love this stuff and only read any of these threads when it's clear that you're fucking up as always.
This is exactly the reason I wanted to get out of the league.
Sure guy...grow up already. You got out of the league because you thought your team would suck with the current and default pitching rotation. You second guessed yourself and wanted to administer the rules and made threats. Childish behaviour/behavior.
I'm running the most exciting league ever. More games in a short amount of time. No mistakes really that have caused resentment or have compromised the integrity of the league. FRBI has gone youtube and there is a commissioner who is passionate about the league and who looks out for the best interest for the league.
Mistakes have been resolved through communication with the other owners.
Quote from: Dårky on 05/23/09, 07:27:32 PM
I vote yes as well and that makes 7 votes in favor of the 'yes scenario' which is clearly a majority vote.
The ruling is now in effect and final.