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wow.i rember that 98 season.everybody was talking about sammy and mac
Quote from: meat on 01/11/10, 02:38:17 PM
wow.i rember that 98 season.everybody was talking about sammy and mac
So true, I had forgotten about that.
Thanks!
Quote from: Attezz on 01/11/10, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: meat on 01/11/10, 02:38:17 PM
wow.i rember that 98 season.everybody was talking about sammy and mac
So true, I had forgotten about that.
Thanks!
I lol'ed.
I would guess that this substantially improves his Hall of Fame chances.
He had to say SOMETHING before spring training if he's serious about taking the hitting coach job.
Better to say nothing and admit it 5 years later or lie on the stand like everyone else did?
Of cours, should have just told the truth from the beginning... But whatever, I don't give a shit about steroids
Looks like he's had some plastic surgery/resurfacing.
Costas inteview on MLB Networrk live now
i hope eats shit and dies a slow shit eating death
says god given ability is what put up the numbers
hand/eye coordination
bats speed
studying pitchers
says records his would have happened without the drugs
Quote from: Gantry on 01/11/10, 05:11:59 PM
Better to say nothing and admit it 5 years later or lie on the stand like everyone else did?
I've been saying this for quite some time. I kind of admire the way he handled the congressional hearing. He didn't lie and therefore commit a felony. I don't think simply admitting he did it was a good option, either, because 1) nobody else there was and he'd be as solid as Canseco was with the game, and 2) maybe he could have gotten into trouble.
Quote from: bonny on 01/11/10, 07:01:13 PM
says god given ability is what put up the numbers
hand/eye coordination
bats speed
studying pitchers
says records his would have happened without the drugs
I wonder just how many home runs were added because of roids. Obviously, the guy could hit homers before he took them. He'd probably still be a 500 HR hitter, but to say that he'd have hit 70 in a season without them is sorta delusional.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/11/10, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gantry on 01/11/10, 05:11:59 PM
Better to say nothing and admit it 5 years later or lie on the stand like everyone else did?
I've been saying this for quite some time. I kind of admire the way he handled the congressional hearing. He didn't lie and therefore commit a felony. I don't think simply admitting he did it was a good option, either, because 1) nobody else there was and he'd be as solid as Canseco was with the game, and 2) maybe he could have gotten into trouble.
Exactly.
He's never lied on the stand.
Regardless, I'm sure there are enough people who are totally unwilling to vote for him to where he'll never get in, at least until the players vote.
I bet Pujols would vote for him.
Ya know, to try to set a precedent for after he retires.
Quote from: Nacho on 01/11/10, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/11/10, 07:01:13 PM
says god given ability is what put up the numbers
hand/eye coordination
bats speed
studying pitchers
says records his would have happened without the drugs
I wonder just how many home runs were added because of roids. Obviously, the guy could hit homers before he took them. He'd probably still be a 500 HR hitter, but to say that he'd have hit 70 in a season without them is sorta delusional.
He kept saying he only did drugs to stay healthy, not for a perforance boost. Talked about the grind of the 162 game schedule. That the man upstairs gave him the gifts to hit all them HRs. Costas never dug at him deep enough on the drugs helping his numbers.
Sounds like McGwire's career would have been coming to a close around 94-95 without the drugs. The interview really does not make him look that great. The drugs helped do all of the record breaking stuff. Stupid to say it didnt.
He also admitted that the drugs may have led to his breakdown. (back, knees)
Quote from: bonny on 01/11/10, 08:07:49 PM
He also admitted that the drugs may have led to his breakdown. (back, knees)
do you mean backne?
I think what's being overlooked here is that doing drugs can help you accomplish great things.
He had to take the steroids, he couldn't let the atari version makers down after they predicted he'd hit 62.
I'm going to start doing drugs to stay in better shape. Starting with meth...
Quote from: Gantry on 01/11/10, 09:52:18 PM
I'm going to start doing drugs to stay in better shape. Starting with meth...
At least your teeth won't be affected.
I call the big one bitey...
McGwire only dug a deeper hole with his bullshit today.
If he's going to admit to this shit, just admit to it and be done. All he had to do was say, "I used steroids." When Costas gets into the "why" aspect, Mac should have been honest and said "to hit a bunch of homers." End of story.
Instead, he cried like a bitch, made some bullshit story about not using roids for strength purposes, and said he could have hit 70 homers without the juice and gives God credit for his talent. What a fucking moron.
Without the juice, McGwire is (at best) Ron Kittle.
My apoloties to the Kittle family.
Quote from: ryno on 01/11/10, 10:53:36 PM
Without the juice, McGwire is (at best) Ron Kittle.
Then what does that make Sammy Sosa?
Quote from: Nacho on 01/11/10, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: ryno on 01/11/10, 10:53:36 PM
Without the juice, McGwire is (at best) Ron Kittle.
Then what does that make Sammy Sosa?
DominiKittle
Quote from: bonny on 01/11/10, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: Nacho on 01/11/10, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/11/10, 07:01:13 PM
says god given ability is what put up the numbers
hand/eye coordination
bats speed
studying pitchers
says records his would have happened without the drugs
I wonder just how many home runs were added because of roids. Obviously, the guy could hit homers before he took them. He'd probably still be a 500 HR hitter, but to say that he'd have hit 70 in a season without them is sorta delusional.
He kept saying he only did drugs to stay healthy, not for a perforance boost. Talked about the grind of the 162 game schedule. That the man upstairs gave him the gifts to hit all them HRs. Costas never dug at him deep enough on the drugs helping his numbers.
Sounds like McGwire's career would have been coming to a close around 94-95 without the drugs. The interview really does not make him look that great. The drugs helped do all of the record breaking stuff. Stupid to say it didnt.
Right. I did not understand that at all. he kept saying that he didn't take them for strength, but to stay healthy. By definition, doesn't that mean that he took them to make his body stronger than it would have been without them? To think that it did not improve his overall strength, but just his back is unrealistic
I always thought McGwire's thing was taking stuff for recovery. I'm sure he never complained about the strength aspect, but he was a gym rat and one of the big benefits here is the ability to work out every day and need significantly less recovery tiem in between workouts / games.
When you think about it, he pretty much started the steroid crap when he was giving an interview at his locker and the reporter asked him about his andro.
Relievers always take steroids for recovery, and rarely for strength purposes. It's not too tough to fathom that McGwire did the same.
I am so surprised. It's not like 90% of baseball wasn't doing something illegal.
I just do not care anymore. And I am sure there will be a day where people don't understand what all the controversy over steroids was about.
Agree with Ryno though. He should have just said he took roids to keep himself in better shape, prolong his carreer, and to hit more home runs. End of story.
I hate the whole crying bullshit.
I don't really agree with his comment that steroids also led to his knee and back injuries.
That was probably since he was able to do about 10 more years of 600 pound squats in the gym.
Mac was big into olympic power lifts in the gym, and that shit is not good for anyone's joints.
Quote from: Stock on 01/12/10, 08:11:26 AM
I don't really agree with his comment that steroids also led to his knee and back injuries.
That was probably since he was able to do about 10 more years of 600 pound squats in the gym.
Mac was big into olympic power lifts in the gym, and that shit is not good for anyone's joints.
I still don't get the genuine shock and the fact that people are so appalled about this. I don't blame anyone for doing steroids. People do anything for an edge. Why would athletes be any different. More HR's means bigger contract and more endorsements. I'd say it was a good risk to take
He's still my favorite player of all time.
Quote from: Mike D. on 01/12/10, 08:19:38 AM
I want McGwire's shrunken steroid cock in my pooper
You can read my mind.
Quote from: BDawk on 01/12/10, 08:17:17 AM
Quote from: Stock on 01/12/10, 08:11:26 AM
I don't really agree with his comment that steroids also led to his knee and back injuries.
That was probably since he was able to do about 10 more years of 600 pound squats in the gym.
Mac was big into olympic power lifts in the gym, and that shit is not good for anyone's joints.
I still don't get the genuine shock and the fact that people are so appalled about this. I don't blame anyone for doing steroids. People do anything for an edge. Why would athletes be any different. More HR's means bigger contract and more endorsements. I'd say it was a good risk to take
It's even crazier the way people get so angry about HGH - it doesn't even have much for negative side effects that have been discovered (although the benefits aren't as clear-cut, either).
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/12/10, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: BDawk on 01/12/10, 08:17:17 AM
Quote from: Stock on 01/12/10, 08:11:26 AM
I don't really agree with his comment that steroids also led to his knee and back injuries.
That was probably since he was able to do about 10 more years of 600 pound squats in the gym.
Mac was big into olympic power lifts in the gym, and that shit is not good for anyone's joints.
I still don't get the genuine shock and the fact that people are so appalled about this. I don't blame anyone for doing steroids. People do anything for an edge. Why would athletes be any different. More HR's means bigger contract and more endorsements. I'd say it was a good risk to take
It's even crazier the way people get so angry about HGH - it doesn't even have much for negative side effects that have been discovered (although the benefits aren't as clear-cut, either).
Its because these guys are using drugs that are illegal, or getting perscription drugs illegally. (HGH from a dentist under the table etc)
With this admission, it only bolsters my belief that Fred McGriff was one of the best legit power hitters of his era. From 88 - 94, McGriff was the most consistent/dominant power hitter in his league that has not been linked in any way to steroids:
88 - 2nd in the league with 34 only behind Canseco
89 - 1st in the league with 36
90 - 4th in the league behind Fielder, McGwire, and Canseco
91 - Tied for 4th with Dawson behind HoJo, Matt Williams, and Ron Gant
92 - 1st in the league with 35
93 - 4th in the league behind Bonds, David Justice and Williams
94 - 4th in the league behind Williams, Jeff Bagwell, and Bonds,
This leaves Cecil Fielder, Howard Johnson, Jeff Bagwell, and Ron Gant as the only people at any time over that 7 year stretch, not linked to steroids, to hit more home runs than McGriff in the league that he was in. None did it more than once
From 95 - 02, McGriff continues to hit homers at an average pace of 27 per season, but it is only a blip on the radar because people are hitting home runs like it is nothing. 03/04 don't really count because he was holding on for 500 by then. By the time 95 rolls around, the list of people who hit more home runs than McGriff in his league on a consistent basis is a list peppered by those who have been busted for roids or are extremely suspect:
Gary Sheffield - busted
Todd Hundley - busted
Ken Caminiti - busted
Sammy Sosa - we all know
Mo Vaughn - busted
Mike Piazza - implicated
Steve Finley - probable
Bernard Gilkey - probable
Benito Santiago - busted
Rafael Palmeiro - busted
Manny Ramirez - busted
Shawn Green - probable
Alex Rodriguez - busted
Juan Gonzalez - implicated
Dean Palmer - probable
Joey/Albert Belle - probable
John Jaha - probable
Ivan Rodriguez - busted
Jason Giambi - busted
Dante Bichette - probable
Some of the guys that are listed as probable may have been busted or implicated, but I tried to to reach
Man, Big Mac is really getting a new one torn all over the place. I can't take it anymore...no ESPN for the rest of the week.
I think Tim Kurkjians stance on this is actually a good one. Vote 'em all in, let history sort it out. Maybe put a note on the plaque "Steroid Era" or make sure it's mentioned in the Hall of Fame somewhere. Attach a story to the player, so people can keep it in perspective.
Quote from: Mike D. on 01/12/10, 09:18:34 AM
I think Tim Kurkjians stance on this is actually a good one. Vote 'em all in, let history sort it out. Maybe put a note on the plaque "Steroid Era" or make sure it's mentioned in the Hall of Fame somewhere. Attach a story to the player, so people can keep it in perspective.
I can't say that I disagree with this in general, but there are a few players that make this tough. McGwire and Sosa being two of them. Without all the home runs, they are not HOF worthy. Without the steroids, do they hit enough HR's to be HOF worthy? It is possible that McGwire could have been out of the game around the same time as Don Mattingly for very similar reasons. If you put in a guy like McGwire, all that says to me is that Mattingly should have taken steroids. He could have been healthier, bulked up his stats, and made a case for the HOF. This is just one of those things that can never be a clear cut issue and someone will be upset no matter what conclusion is drawn
Yeah, but they did hit all those homers. So your argument is null and void.
I agree that Mattingly should have taken steroids.
I don't think that it makes the argument null and void. I think that steroids make the argument futile either way. There is no way to prove that the guys could have hit those homers without steroids. Likewise, there is no way to prove that they could not have done it. The Catch 22 is that you vote in a bunch of admitted cheaters and you are basically rewarding them for cheating. You don't vote them in and you are ignoring history as though it did not happen. Either way is stupid, imo, so like WarGames the only winning move is not to play. So where does that leave us? I don't know! I would probably default for voting them all in as it is a part of the game's history, but I am also for Joe Jackson and Pete Rose being in. There just is no winning argument that I can find.
No, you're wrong.
Quote from: Mike D. on 01/12/10, 09:48:23 AM
No, you're wrong.
Clearly, that's what I've been trying to tell you this whole time. You never listen anymore
Gaylord Perry cheated, and he's in the Hall of Fame.
He's mostly in the HOF for being successful despite being named Gaylord
Quote from: edfan on 01/12/10, 09:44:07 AM
I don't think that it makes the argument null and void. I think that steroids make the argument futile either way. There is no way to prove that the guys could have hit those homers without steroids. Likewise, there is no way to prove that they could not have done it. The Catch 22 is that you vote in a bunch of admitted cheaters and you are basically rewarding them for cheating. You don't vote them in and you are ignoring history as though it did not happen. Either way is stupid, imo, so like WarGames the only winning move is not to play. So where does that leave us? I don't know! I would probably default for voting them all in as it is a part of the game's history, but I am also for Joe Jackson and Pete Rose being in. There just is no winning argument that I can find.
You could always vote in the guys like McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds who stood out even in an era in which everyone was putting up big numbers, and not vote in the guys that put up big (but no huge) numbers since they weren't anything special for their era (Palmeiro, Pudge, Giambi, etc.).
Where does that leave McGriff then? Probably outside looking in.
Quote from: edfan on 01/12/10, 09:09:44 AM
Joey/Albert Belle - probable
Some of the guys that are listed as probable may have been busted or implicated, but I tried to to reach
Dont think Belle's name has ever been mentioned in any reports. He was just angry, black and the best clean AL hitter of the 90's not named Frank Thomas.
He did have corked bats, but that's probably not as big a deal as steroids.
Quote from: fathedX on 01/12/10, 11:00:27 AM
Where does that leave McGriff then? Probably outside looking in.
I was talking about those linked to steroids. Those who aren't would be held to the same standards as those in the non-steroid era.
Quote from: fathedX on 01/12/10, 11:00:27 AM
Where does that leave McGriff then? Probably outside looking in.
Probably wishing he used the good steroids instead of the cheap stuff from Mexico.
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: edfan on 01/12/10, 09:09:44 AM
Joey/Albert Belle - probable
Some of the guys that are listed as probable may have been busted or implicated, but I tried to to reach
Dont think Belle's name has ever been mentioned in any reports. He was just angry, black and the best clean AL hitter of the 90's not named Frank Thomas.
True. And it is probably not fair for me to speculate. He just goes on that list of, "If I found out that guy did steroids, I would not be surprised at all."
Kind of like Eric Davis.
I would not be surprised if it ever came out that he did steroids. He was never huge, but if you look at him in the early Reds days compared with when he was with the Orioles/Cards then you can tell that he packed on some muscle. I would like to think that if he had taken steroids, then he would have played more or a bit longer.
Quote from: edfan on 01/12/10, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: edfan on 01/12/10, 09:09:44 AM
Joey/Albert Belle - probable
Some of the guys that are listed as probable may have been busted or implicated, but I tried to to reach
Dont think Belle's name has ever been mentioned in any reports. He was just angry, black and the best clean AL hitter of the 90's not named Frank Thomas.
True. And it is probably not fair for me to speculate. He just goes on that list of, "If I found out that guy did steroids, I would not be surprised at all."
I never buy this argument, but hear it all the time.
There is not one baseball player ever that is too holy to try something illegal, IMO.
You also can't use the argument, "He probably didn't take steroids since he was not huge." or vice versa.
Not all steroids have the same affect on the body (or even in different bodies). There are skinny as fuck marathon runners that have used steroids for better cardio.
Like MikeD said, these players put up the numbers. Their numbers had an impact on other players' numbers and teams' standings. IMO, you have no choice to put these players in the hall if their stats are worthy. It should be up to each individual to decide who deserves or does not deserve to be there because of their own code of ethics.
Probably all a moot point, as the HOF (just like pretty much any award that is decided by voters) is just a political sham.
This is why I calculate my own college football rankings, and make my own MMA rankings.
The only thing that matters to me is what is in my own head. I don't give a shit what any dickhead voter says, Mac and Pete Rose are HOF'ers.
Quote from: Stock on 01/12/10, 03:33:09 PM
There is not one baseball player ever that is too holy to try something illegal, IMO.
Dale Murphy?
Quote from: Gantry on 01/12/10, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: Stock on 01/12/10, 03:33:09 PM
There is not one baseball player ever that is too holy to try something illegal, IMO.
Dale Murphy?
David DeJesus?
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 03:08:14 PM
Kind of like Eric Davis.
Eric Davis, who never weighed over 200 pounds in his playing career?
That was just cause of the cancer.
Quote from: Attezz on 01/12/10, 05:31:18 PM
That was just cause of the cancer.
ass injections from Strawberry
Vance Law did not take roids!
He opted for magic underpants as his performance enhancing substance.
Quote from: Barton on 01/12/10, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 03:08:14 PM
Kind of like Eric Davis.
Eric Davis, who never weighed over 200 pounds in his playing career?
i don't think nomar was over 200 pounds
Quote from: Barton on 01/12/10, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 03:08:14 PM
Kind of like Eric Davis.
Eric Davis, who never weighed over 200 pounds in his playing career?
Sean Sherk was 155 pounds. Hermes Franca was 155 pounds and had no muscle.
You cannot assume someone was not taking steroids just because how they look. See other posts in this thread about Marathon runners.
Quote from: Stock on 01/13/10, 07:13:03 AM
Quote from: Barton on 01/12/10, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 03:08:14 PM
Kind of like Eric Davis.
Eric Davis, who never weighed over 200 pounds in his playing career?
Sean Sherk was 155 pounds. Hermes Franca was 155 pounds and had no muscle.
You cannot assume someone was not taking steroids just because how they look. See other posts in this thread about Marathon runners.
Paging Dr. Stock, paging Dr. Stock.
The family dog Frosty took steroids, she weighed 10 pounds...
Quote from: Stock on 01/13/10, 07:13:03 AM
Quote from: Barton on 01/12/10, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: bonny on 01/12/10, 03:08:14 PM
Kind of like Eric Davis.
Eric Davis, who never weighed over 200 pounds in his playing career?
Sean Sherk was 155 pounds. Hermes Franca was 155 pounds and had no muscle.
You cannot assume someone was not taking steroids just because how they look. See other posts in this thread about Marathon runners.
OK, let me rephrase. Eric Davis, who never showed a bulk gain in weight during his entire playing career?
So of yous really have no clue when someone is being a smartass.
I honestly thought you were being serious. I have always said that I wouldn't be surprised if Davis and Strawberry got thrown into all the steroid mix. I hope that they didn't take them, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Quote from: edfan on 01/13/10, 09:18:00 AM
I honestly thought you were being serious. I have always said that I wouldn't be surprised if Davis and Strawberry got thrown into all the steroid mix. I hope that they didn't take them, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Straw took everything else, why would he draw the line at steroids?
because the line was made out of cocaine?
Quote from: Big Hath on 01/13/10, 11:18:06 AM
because the line was made out of cocaine?
Oh Em Gee! You are now numero uno on my list of funny things!!!!1
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I think the most interesting thing to come out of this McGwire debacle is his contradictions with the Canseco stories...
He's admitted to juicing, so why wouldn't he agree with Canseco's story if it were true? I don't think he has anything to gain or lose by agreeing with it, which makes me believe that Canseco is full of shit, which I guess isn't a big revelation. But is does cast doubt on all of the others things he's said.
Also, in regards to the "some players just take them to heal" thing, Ken Caminiti admitted to doing steroids, and said he started taking them just so he could heal faster, but kept taking them for the extra power. It's a fine line there.
I think McGwire was lying about steroids never being talked about in the locker room. That would only lead to more questions about who talked about it so he lied.
Once again, people hate Canseco, but he's been proven right time after time
Quote from: BDawk on 01/13/10, 08:15:00 PM
I think McGwire was lying about steroids never being talked about in the locker room. That would only lead to more questions about who talked about it so he lied.
Once again, people hate Canseco, but he's been proven right time after time
That's a good point. I guess saying that does prevent all of the "who else" questions.
Still not sure why he couldn't own up to having Canseco inject him though...
I was a big fan of McGwire when he was with the Cardinals and I think he was/is a pretty good guy despite it all, but he is really fucking up this whole admission process. Like people here have said, it is pretty ridiculous for him to claim that the steroids didn't help him hit home runs when by his own admission they help his body to heal, which keeps him on the field. The fact that there was such a spike in power in the steroid era should be pretty clear evidence that they help you hit home runs. That, and he is continually playing the "I'm just a nice guy who is here to say he is sorry (and by the way, it wasn't a big deal and didn't help me much) and did I mention how nice and sorry I am?" card.
he doesn't want to agree with Canseco's story because he's a fucking pussy. He wants to be the guy who respects the game, gets his talent from god, takes roids, but only in low doses and such. People are seeing right through his bullshit crying episode.
He could save himself a bunch of shit if he'd just say he took them, they made him stronger, he wishes he hadn't done it, and that's it.
McGwire robbed Sosa of so much glory
"I would just like to say that Mark McGwire is the man" --- Sammy Sosa
he's a goddamned moron, too.
Quote from: BDawk on 01/13/10, 08:15:00 PM
I think McGwire was lying about steroids never being talked about in the locker room. That would only lead to more questions about who talked about it so he lied.
Once again, people hate Canseco, but he's been proven right time after time
I pretty much agree with everything Canseco has said regarding steroids.
However, I do understand his reluctance to talk a lot more about what really happened. Unlike Canseco he probably does not feel it is his place to out the entire league and ex-teammates, and even get his family involved in media vultures. This way, he can get his issues out in the open, but he is not going to screw anyone over in the process. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
I did love when they interviewed Canseco and he ripped on Mac for crying like a baby. That was just hillarious. "There's no crying in baseball. You know that, Mac."
Quote from: Nacho on 01/13/10, 08:21:30 PM
I was a big fan of McGwire when he was with the Cardinals and I think he was/is a pretty good guy despite it all, but he is really fucking up this whole admission process. Like people here have said, it is pretty ridiculous for him to claim that the steroids didn't help him hit home runs when by his own admission they help his body to heal, which keeps him on the field.
I think that is exactly what Mac said. He felt that steroids did not directly help him hit a home run. However, he admits that steroids helped him stay on the field and extend his career. I think most intelligent people can figure out what he is saying. However, the tag line from ESPN will be, "Steroids did not help me hit a lot of home runs."
Quote from: Stock on 01/14/10, 06:26:18 AM
Quote from: Nacho on 01/13/10, 08:21:30 PM
I was a big fan of McGwire when he was with the Cardinals and I think he was/is a pretty good guy despite it all, but he is really fucking up this whole admission process. Like people here have said, it is pretty ridiculous for him to claim that the steroids didn't help him hit home runs when by his own admission they help his body to heal, which keeps him on the field.
I think that is exactly what Mac said. He felt that steroids did not directly help him hit a home run. However, he admits that steroids helped him stay on the field and extend his career. I think most intelligent people can figure out what he is saying. However, the tag line from ESPN will be, "Steroids did not help me hit a lot of home runs."
I understand that the implication is that they indirectly helped him hit home runs, but he isn't even being forthright about that. He seems to be adamant that steroids didn't give him an advantage while suggesting implicitly that they did. I think I'm more willing than other to give those who have admitted to using steroids the benefit of the doubt, but be honest about the fact that the numbers across baseball spiked quite a bit during that era, and it is unlikely that he'd have broken the record BY NINE HOME RUNS without the benefits of steroids, whether direct or indirect.
He's drawing a fine line...Mac is saying that steroids didn't help him with the hand-eye coordination that it takes to hit a baseball. And he's right. But what he's obviously leaving out is, if you have said hand-eye coordination, then the balls that you do hit can be hit harder because you're much stronger from steroids.
Jose butchered his interview on MLB Network tuesday night. He is so stupid.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/14/10, 10:30:48 AM
But what he's obviously leaving out is, if you have said hand-eye coordination, then the balls that you do hit can be hit harder because you're much stronger from steroids.
But he didn't take them for the strength aspect!
My point exactly. He leaves that part out and just says that it helped him get on the field--not with his God given ability to hit a baseball.
Frank Fucking Thomas
if he really had faith in God, he would have prayed for healing
also, the greatness of Jose Canseco cannot be under appreciated here. The guy is fkn great.