Beta version released...
Download the game from the following link:
2011 ROM (batters done, need feedback on batting orders, pitchers need a once-over to reflect injuries/trades)
http://rbi30.sweethoss.com/create.php?romid=3&type=original
2011 Roster sheet:
http://rbi30.sweethoss.com/roster.php?romid=3
The question was already posed, "how do you want to handle late trades?" I generally tend to lean towards late trades being reflected, even if it doesn't reflect an entire season worth of play...new arrivals to the team could move to the bench if needed...might improve some of the bench guys from last season, as most of them were pretty anemic in terms of power...
Atlanta Braves
SP Tim Hudson
SP Tommy Hanson
SU Peter Moylan
CL Billy Wagner
LineUp
1 Omar Infante
2 Jason Heyward
3 Derek Lee
4 Brian McCann
5 Martin Prado
6 Alex Gonzalez
7 Matt Diaz
8 Melky Cabrera
Bench
1 Brooks Conrad
2 Eric Hinske
3 MaTroy Glaus
4 Chipper Jones
Perfect, thanks Kongo...any of these lineups will help me by saving me loads of time as well as serving the purpose of pleasing the fans of the teams.
I'd agree with you that late trades should be reflected (so you can do playoffs and whatnot)... but what do you think about season-ending injuries? I'm particularly wondering how to handle Morneau - he was the best hitter in the league until the All-Star break and hasn't played since - do you put him on the Twins, reflecting his partial season, or leave him off? If nothing else, I guess, you could put him on the bench to imagine what could have been.
Twins' Lineup with Morneau:
Span
Hudson
Mauer
Morneau
Kubel (DH)
Cuddyer
Young
Valencia
Hardy
Without Morneau, Kubel and Cuddyer move up one spot, and Thome slides into the DH role batting sixth (not sure if DHs are an option here or not).
Bench:
Punto
Butera (replace him with Thome if including Morneau)
Repko (replace him with the DH in a no-DH lineup)
Casilla
Pitchers:
Liriano
Pavano
Crain
Capps
Crain could be replaced by Fuentes if you want a lefty in the 'pen, although he hasn't been with the Twins very long.
I think if he made it half the season, he probably deserves a roster spot...
Chicago Cubs
Pitching
SP - Ryan Dempster
SP - Randy Wells
SU - Sean Marshall
SU - Carlos Marmol
Batting
1) Kosuke Fukudome
2) Starlin Castro
3) Marlon Byrd
4) Aramis Ramirez
5) Xavier Nady
6) Alfonso Soriano
7) Geovany Soto
8) Tyler Colvin
9) Blake Dewitt
Bench
1) Koyie Hill
2) Jeff Baker
3) Darwin Barney
4) Carlos Zambrano (why not?)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAA/2010-batting-orders.shtml
angels: key problems are kendry morales's season ending injury at the end of may and acquiring dan haren late in the year. though the two starting P's should probably be weaver and santana anyway. they also traded away their closer fuentes because he sucks, although rodney is not much better. they had a million lineups this year. at the beginning of the year they tried to have aybar lead off and gave brandon wood a chance at 3b. neither worked out in that role. they eventually picked up callaspo to play third. peter bourjos came up late in the year and they moved torii to RF.
DH
01 EAybar (SS)
02 Kendrk (2B)
03 BAbreu (RF)
04 Hunter (CF)
05 Matsui (DH)
06 Napoli (1B)
07 JRivra (LF)
08 Calspo (3B)
09 Mathis (C)
Bench:
B1 MIztrs (IF)
B2 Borjos (OF)
B3 Willts (OF)
B4 Wood (IF)
Pitching
SP1 JWeavr
SP2 ESntna
RP1 Rodney or Jepsen
RP2 Fuents or Rodney
I'm assuming you know who is a lefty and switch hitter. Fuentes throws sidearm.
No DH: (this lineup would reflect more how the year started)
01 EAybar (SS)
02 Kendrk (2B)
03 BAbreu (RF)
04 Hunter (CF)
05 KMrles (1B)
06 JRivra (LF)
07 Mathis (C) or Napoli for more power (flip-flop spot w/rivera)
08 Wood (3B)
09 pitcher
Great stuff fellas, keep 'em comin'...
Quote from: TβG on 10/05/10, 05:13:05 PM
they also traded away their closer fuentes because he sucks, although rodney is not much better.
Fuentes may not have been much of a closer, but he has been a phenomenal (and extremely overpaid) lefty specialist.
Thanks for the feedback, I got all of these lineups in place...on to the rest now...
The National League West Champion San Francisco Giants
1. Andres Torres
2. Freddy Sanchez
3. Aubrey Huff
4. Buster Posey
5. Pat Burrell
6. Jose Guillen
7. Juan Uribe
8. Pablo Sandoval
Bench - Aaron Rowand
Bench - Travis Ishikawa
Bench - Nate Schierholtz
Bench - Edgar Renteria
SP - Tim Lincecum
SP - Matt Cain
SP - Sergio Romo
SP - Brian Wilson
I used a DH so if pitchers are batting then put Colvin in at 1st PH and get rid of Barney. I still say keep Z as a PH with an inflated power number.
Colorado Rockies
SP - Jimenez
SP - De La Rosa
SU - Betancourt
CL - Street
1 - Fowler
2 - Smith
3 - Gonzalez
4 - Tulowitzki
5 - Helton
6 - Olivo
7 - Stewart
8 - Barmes
B1 - Mora
B2 - Spilborghs
B3 - Giambi
B4 - Iannetta
The last bench spot doesn't matter much but Young, Hawpe (traded in August), or Herrera would also be acceptable.
Thanks guys, got 7 lineups set with your help...still working on how I'm going to revamp my pitcher ratings to make them more representative of their ability to strike people out.
Gantry, if you really want Zambrano in the official lineup, that's fine...
Phillies
SP: Roy Halladay
SP: Cole Hamels
SU: Ryan Madson
CL: Brad Lidge
1 Shane Victorino
2 Placido Polanco
3 Chase Utley
4 Ryan Howard
5 Jayson Werth
6 Raul Ibanez
7 Jimmy Rollins
8 Carlos Ruiz (you may call him Chooch)
B1 Wilson Valdez
B2 Brian Sweeney
B3 Dom Brown
B4 Ben Francisco
Normally, I'd have Rollins leading off but it looks like Victorino will lead off going into the posteseason. Also, tough call going Hamels over Oswalt, but Hamels was here all season and he makes a good lefty-righty combo
I doubt anyone else will give them a bone so here are the KC Royals
SP Bruce Chen
SP Zach Grienke
RP Dusty Hughes
CP Joakim Soria
1 Scott Podsednik
2 David DeJesus
3 Billy Butler
4 Jose Guillen
5 Wilson Betemit
6 Yuniesky Betancourt
7 Mike Aviles
8 Mitch Maier
B1 Jason Kendall
B2 Alex Gordon
B3 Kila Ka'aihue
B4 Willie Bloomquist
My buddy was gonna, be he's an idiot. Thanks...
Uh oh, Guillen isn't on the Royals anymore...might have to re-think the Royals...
Podsednik is on the dodgers too...no sweat though, my friend gave me his fanadvice for the KCR lineup...
LA Dodgers: I didn't see many games this year, but hopefully this will help unless a real fan wants to give their input. Things to consider: Manny only played 66 games, do you want him on the bench? Scott Podsednik was a late pickup and only played in 39 games. Garrett Anderson wasn't much of an impact hitting .181, but you might want some lefty power coming off the bench, Gibbons had more starts(lefty)?? I don't think you can really put together an accurate lineup with the different acquisitions, but this would probably be someting good for RBI (below).
No DH:
01 Podsnk
02 M.Kemp
03 Ethier
04 JLoney
05 CBlake
06 Furcal
07 DeWitt
08 RMartn
Bench:
B1 Carrol
B2 Thriot or Barjas if you want a 2nd catcher
B3 RJhnsn
B4 Gibbns or GAndsn
Pitchers:
SP1 Kersaw
SP2 Kuroda or Billinglsey (looks like Kuroda had more control: so/bb)
RP1 HC Kuo
RP2 Broxtn
Texas Rangers: i hate these guys, but they're good. lots of power and speed throughout their lineup. key acquisitions in bengie molina and cliff lee are big reasons why they made the post-season.
no DH:
01 Andrus (SS)
02 MYoung (3B)
03 Hamltn (CF)
04 VGuero (RF)
05 N.Cruz (LF)
06 Kinslr (2B)
07 Morlnd (1B)
08 BMolna (C)
DH:
3 Hamilton (CF)
4 Guerrero (DH)
5 N.Cruz (LF)
6 Kinsler (2B)
7 Francour (RF)
Bnch:
B1 DMrphy
B2 JCantu (Righty, platoon with Moreland)
B3 JFrncr
B4 ABlnco or JBorbn (borbon is a speed guy, mostly played CF)
*edit pictchers:
C.Lee
CLewis (CJ Wilson is another lefty, so i chose the other guy since cliff lee is already there)
DOlivr
NFeliz
Houston Astros:
Lineup:
1. Michael Bourn(CF)
2. Jeff Keppinger(2B)
3. Hunter Pence (RF)
4. Carlos Lee (1B)
5. Chris Johnson (3B)
6. Jason Michaels(LF)
7. Humberto Quintero(C)
8. Tommy Manzilla(SS)
Pitchers:
1. Brett Myers(SP)
2. Wandy Rodriquez(SP)
3. Brandon Lyon(RP)
4. Wilton Lopez(RP)
Bench
1. Lance Berkman(Traded, but still more starts at 1B then anyone else)
2. Jason Castro
3. Angel Sanchez
3. Geoff Blum
18 teams left to go...I opted not to include Berkman on the 'Stros because of his trade to the Spankees.
Posting the Yankees roster. Sorry for any delay guys.
New York Yankees
Lineup:
1. D. Jeter ss
2. N. Swisher rf
3. M. Teixeira 1b
4. A. Rodriguez 3b
5. R. Cano 2b
6. J. Posada c
7. C. Granderson cf
8. B. Gardner lf
Bench:
M. Thames
Lance Berkman
Greg Golson
Austin Kearns
SP/SU/CL
Starting Pitchers:
Phil Hughes
C.C Sabathia
Setup:
Kerry Wood
Closer:
Mariano Rivera
Mariners:
SP: Felix Hernandez
SP: Doug Fister
SU: Brandon League
CL: David Aardsma
1 Ichiro, RF
2 Chone Figgins, 2B
3 Russell Branyan, DH/1B
4 Franklin Gutierrez, CF
5 Jose Lopez, 3B
6 Justin Smoak, 1B
7 Michael Saunders, LF
8 Adam Moore, C
B1 Jack Wilson, SS
B2 Milton Bradley, DH/LF
B3 Casey Kotchman, 1B
B4 Rob Johnson, C
Lineups are flying in. I appreciate the help. Plus it's reconnected me with some of you fellas I hadn't talked to in a while. Time to get the RPC firing again once this is completed.
I also think with more guys around than last time, we need to reprise the online championship series.
posted earlier, deleted on accident
Cincinnati Reds
Lineup:
1. Brandon Phillips(2B)
2. Orlando Cabrera(SS)
3. Joey Votto(1B)
4. Scott Rolen(3B)
5. Jay Bruce(RF)
6. Johnny Gomes(LF)
7. Drew Stubbs (CF)
8. Ramon Hernandez(C)
Pitchers:
Bronson Arroyo
Johnny Cueto
Arthur Rhodes
Nick Masset
Becnh:
Ryan Hanigan
Paul Janish
Miguel Cairo
Laynce Nix
Tampa Rays:
Without DH:
1. John jaso
2. Ben Zobrist (Could easily argue for B.J. Upton here, lefty though plus 11 more starts at 2)
3. Carl Crawford
4. Evan Longoria
5. Carlos Pena
6. BJ Upton
7. Sean Rodriguez
8. Jason Bartlett
Bench:
Reid Brignac
Willy Aybar
Matt Joyce
Dan Johnson
With DH I'd put in Joyce at #6, slide every one down one, and put Kelly Shopach on the bench.
Gonna help out a bit and do some extra teams.
Oakland Athletics Lineup:
R. Davis cf
M. Ellis 2b
K. Suzuki c
K. Kouzmanoff
C. Carter lf
J. Donaldson 1b
J. Hermida rf
C. Pennington ss
Pitching:
Dallas Braden
Brett Anderson
Setup:
Justin James
Closer:
Andrew Bailey
Bench:
Coco Crisp
Matt Carson
Cliff Pennington
Steve Tolleson
Hope this is right for the team.
Next team is: Cleveland Indians
Lineup:
M. Brantley cf
J. Nix 3b
S. Duncan lf
J. Brown 1b
T. Crowe rf
L. Carlin c
L. Valbuena 2b
D. Sutton ss
Bench:
T. Hafner
Shin-Soo Choo
Matt Laporta
Shelley Duncan
Starters:
Fausto Carmona
Josh Tomlin
Setup:
Vinnie Pestano
Closer:
Chris Perez
Actually, Cordero is the closer for the Reds...
Cardinals
1 Felipe Lopez (S)
2 Jon Jay (L)
3 Albert Pujols (R)
4 Matt Holliday (R)
5 Colby Rasmus (L)
6 Yadier Molina (R)
7 Skip Schumaker (L)
8 Brendan Ryan (R)
B1 David Freese (R)
B2 Randy Winn (S)
B3 Aaron Miles (S)
B4 Allen Craig (R)
P1 Adam Wainwright (R)
P2 Chris Carpenter (R)
P3 Kyle McClellan (R)
P4 Ryan Franklin (R)
Didn't look through the thread to see if Ryan Ludwick was on another team, though.
He's on the Dads now...thakns for the update...
Biggio, you have some guys listed twice in your lineups...might want to check some of thsoe, although I was able to work around them.
This is awesome, not many teams left to go...
Nationals
SP: Stephen Strasburg
SP: Livan Hernandez
SU: Tyler Clippard
CL: Drew Storen
1 Nyjer Morgan, CF
2 Ian Desmond, SS
3 Ryan Zimmerman, 3B
4 Adam Dunn, 1B
5 Josh Willingham, LF
6 Roger Bernadina, CF/RF
7 Mike Morse, RF
8 Adam Kennedy, 2B
B1 Willie Harris, LF
B2 Ivan Rodriguez, C
B3 Wilson Ramos, C
B4 Alberto Gonzalez
New York Mets:
Lineup:
J. Reyes ss
J. Arias 2b
J. Feliciano rf
D. Wright 3b
I. Davis 1b
A. Pagan cf
L. Duda lf
J. Thole c
Bench:
Chris Carter
Carlos Beltran
Louis Castillo
Nick Evans
SP/RP/CL
Starters:
R.A. Dickey
Dillon Gee
Relief:
Parnell Bobby
Closer:
Takahashi, Hisanori
Toronto Blue Jays
Lineup:
D. Wise cf
J. McDonald ss
L. Overbay 1b
A. Lind lf
E. Encarnacion
J.P. Arencibia
J. Hoffpauir 2b
M. McCoy rf
Bench:
J.Bautista
J.Molina
John McDonald
Vernon Wells
SP/RP/CL
Starters:
Brett Cecil
Ricky Romero
RP:
Scott Downs
CL:
Gregg Kevin
Quote from: Turd on 10/07/10, 12:07:57 PM
Biggio, you have some guys listed twice in your lineups...might want to check some of thsoe, although I was able to work around them.
Did a quick search through my posts, didn't find any(unless you mean my footnote that you Could put Upton at the 2 spot, just ignore that, put Zobrist there and BJ at 6)
I know Cordeo's the closer, but I picked the two best relievers, not the closer. Cordeo lost 5 times and had 7 blown saves, plus I wanted to give the Reds a lefty pitcher, otherwise they have none. Not to mention that Cordeo had a walk for every two innings he pitched and a mediocre strikeout rate.
EDIT: If you disagree, just put Cordeo in and take out Masset.
Quote from: Biggio on 10/06/10, 11:00:55 PM
posted earlier, deleted on accident
Cincinnati Reds
Lineup:
1. Brandon Phillips(2B)
2. Orlando Cabrera(SS)
3. Joey Votto(1B)
4. Scott Rolen(3B)
5. Jay Bruce(RF)
6. Johnny Gomes(LF)
7. Drew Stubbs (CF)
8. Ramon Hernandez(C)
Pitchers:
Bronson Arroyo
Johnny Cueto
Arthur Rhodes
Nick Masset / Coco Cordero is the closer (40 saves) :P
Becnh:
Ryan Hanigan
Paul Janish
Miguel Cairo
Laynce Nix / Maybe Chris Heisey (8 homers) played more than Nix ::)
Rest of line-up looks good.
Tampa Rays:
Without DH:
1. John jaso
2. Ben Zobrist (Could easily argue for B.J. Upton here, lefty though plus 11 more starts at 2)
3. Carl Crawford
4. Evan Longoria
5. Carlos Pena
6. BJ Upton
7. Sean Rodriguez
8. Jason Bartlett
Bench:
Reid Brignac
Willy Aybar
Matt Joyce
Dan Johnson
With DH I'd put in Joyce at #6, slide every one down one, and put Kelly Shopach on the bench.
Quote from: redfanrod on 10/07/10, 05:44:17 PM
Quote from: Biggio on 10/06/10, 11:00:55 PM
posted earlier, deleted on accident
Cincinnati Reds
Lineup:
1. Brandon Phillips(2B)
2. Orlando Cabrera(SS)
3. Joey Votto(1B)
4. Scott Rolen(3B)
5. Jay Bruce(RF)
6. Johnny Gomes(LF)
7. Drew Stubbs (CF) -- also, I recall Stubbs' speed was way to low. He's as fast as anyone in NL. :-*
8. Ramon Hernandez(C)
Pitchers:
Bronson Arroyo
Johnny Cueto
Arthur Rhodes
Coco Cordero is the closer (40 saves) :P
Bench:
Ryan Hanigan
Paul Janish
Miguel Cairo
Chris Heisey (8 homers) played more than Nix ::)
Rest of line-up looks good.
Tampa Rays:
Without DH:
1. John jaso
2. Ben Zobrist (Could easily argue for B.J. Upton here, lefty though plus 11 more starts at 2)
3. Carl Crawford
4. Evan Longoria
5. Carlos Pena
6. BJ Upton
7. Sean Rodriguez
8. Jason Bartlett
Bench:
Reid Brignac
Willy Aybar
Matt Joyce
Dan Johnson
With DH I'd put in Joyce at #6, slide every one down one, and put Kelly Shopach on the bench.
Thanks for your work on this stuff. I still mod it to my Dreamcast and have a great time with updated rosters...
Completely understand, redfanrod, I was going to give Heisey the od myself, but Nix is a lefty, which is pretty big in RBI. Only 2 of them seemed low for the team with the most runs in the NL, but I shall defer to your judgement. See previous posts on Cordero.
San Diego Padres
1. Chris Denorfia(CF)
2. David Eckstein(2B)
3. Miguel Tejada(SS)
4. Adrian Gonzalez(1B)
5. Chase Headley(3B)
6. Will Venable(RF)
7. Yorvit Torrealba(C)
8. Scott Hairiston(LF
Bench:
Jerry Hairiston
Ryan Ludwick
Tony Gwyn
Nick Hundley
Pitchers:
Clayton Richard
Matt Latos
Heath Bell
Luke Gregorson
My bad Biggio, it was MortalPortal who put Duncan in twice on the Indians...
As for Cordero, I put the closer in on every team...top 2 SPs, setup man, closer...closers are usually the more well-known players in the bullpen so I like to include them...
If a team's fan has some better advice on who to put in a lineup, I'm all ears...these guys are just doing me a favor by filling in, but if you make a case for why a player should be on the team, we'll listen. It's turning into a bit of a community effort anyways, at least in terms of who to include...
We're almost there...well be ready to start rating very soon...
I'm a bit confused as to why you'd put Jose Bautista on the bench...that really doesn't make any sense...
According to:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2010-batting-orders.shtml
He's been a starter all year, and his 54 homers would also beg to differ...
Ugh, third lineup with a player on the bench and as a starter (mcdonald)...I gotta talk to this cat on IM, see what's up...
Who the fuck are the Dads?
The Padres, you amateur...
Those Mets and Blue Jays lineups look just awful.
Also, I changed my St. Louis lineup to put Lopez in the leadoff spot and Schumaker at #7, I think that's more accurate.
Chicago White Sox
1. Juan Pierre LF
2. Omar Vizquel 3B
3. Paul Konerko 1B
4. Alex Rios CF
5. Carlos Quentin RF
6. Alexei Ramirez SS
7. AJ Pierzynski C
8. Mark Kotsay DH (i hate typing that)
9. Gordon Beckham 2B
Bench
Manny Ramirez
Andruw Jones
Mark Teahen
Dayan Viciedo
Pitcher
John Danks
Mark Buehrle
JJ Putz
Bobby Jenks
I noticed earlier that the lineup was kinda bad at parts, was a bit beat down though.
Without DH:
2. Yunel Escobar
3. Jose Bautsita
4. Vernon Wells
5. Lyle Overbay
6. Aaron Hill
7. John Buck (C)
8. Edwin Encarnacion
With DH insert Lind into the 5 spot
Bench:
Travis Snider
Jose Molina
John Mcdonald
Dewayne Wise
Pitchers:
Ricky Romero
Shaun Marcum(started more, had better stats, plus if Cecil were here 2 starters that are lefty)
Kevin Gregg
Shaun Camp
Quote from: Gerlost on 10/07/10, 10:09:15 AM
Cardinals
1 Felipe Lopez (S)
2 Jon Jay (L)
3 Albert Pujols (R)
4 Matt Holliday (R)
5 Colby Rasmus (L)
6 Yadier Molina (R)
7 Skip Schumaker (L)
8 Brendan Ryan (R)
B1 David Freese (R)
B2 Randy Winn (S)
B3 Aaron Miles (S)
B4 Allen Craig (R)
P1 Adam Wainwright (R)
P2 Chris Carpenter (R)
P3 Kyle McClellan (R)
P4 Ryan Franklin (R)
Didn't look through the thread to see if Ryan Ludwick was on another team, though.
I agree with Gerlost on the lineup but personally would rather see Motte as the P3 . McClellan is good and also a local but Motte is a hard throwing young arm.
Marlins
1 Chris Coghlan (L)
2 Gaby Sanchez (R)
3 Hanley Ramirez (R)
4 Jorge Cantu (R)
5 Dan Uggla (R)
6 Cody Ross (R)
7 Mike Stanton (R)
8 Ronny Paulino (R)
B1 Wes Helms (R)
B2 Cameron Maybin (R)
B3 Logan Morrison (L)
B4 Emilio Bonifacio (S)
P1 Josh Johnson (R)
P2 Anibal Sanchez (R)
P3 Clay Hensley (R)
P4 Leo Nunez (R)
Pirates
1 Andrew McCutchen (R)
2 Jose Tabata (R)
3 Neil Walker (S)
4 Garrett Jones (R)
5 Pedro Alvarez (L)
6 Ryan Doumit (S)
7 Lastings Milledge (R)
8 Ronny Cedeno (R)
B1 Andy LaRoche (R)
B2 Delwyn Young (S)
B3 Ryan Church (L)
B4 Bobby Crosby (R)
P1 Paul Maholm (L)
P2 Zach Duke (L)
P3 Evan Meek (R)
P4 Joel Hanrahan (R)
I have no idea if either of these rosters have players that are already listed on other teams...
Quote from: YCBMB on 10/08/10, 05:09:54 PM
I agree with Gerlost on the lineup but personally would rather see Motte as the P3 . McClellan is good and also a local but Motte is a hard throwing young arm.
Motte's actually 2 years older than McClellan...
Excellent, I'll add these to the ROM and then get onward with the rating process...
Quote from: Gerlost on 10/08/10, 12:28:44 PM
Those Mets and Blue Jays lineups look just awful.
Meaning, the colors? The lineup he put together? The players in general? If they need fixing and you have some advice, I'm all ears...
I updated STL with your changes as well, thanks for that...
I gotta chime in. The A's lineup is a lil inaccurate.
Oughta be
1)Coco Crisp
2)Daric Barton
3)Ryan Sweeney
4)Jack Cust
5)Kurt Suzuki
6)Kouzmanoff
7)Mark Ellis
8)Cliff Pennington
Bench
Rajai Davis
Chris Carter
Adam Rosales
Landon Powell
Pitchers
Trevor Cahill
Gio Gonzalez
Jerry Blevins
Andrew Bailey
I was waiting for ya hoots. Thanks.
Kahouty, unless you can talk me out of it, I'm going with Brett Anderson as one of the SP's. The guy is too good to leave out, in my opinion, even if he was out for part of the season due to injury...
Thanks Gerlost, but the Marlins (haven't checked the pirates) is out of date, as Cantu was traded to Texas...and my fallback mlbdepthcharts.com for some reason doesn't have their lineup in right now, which is very weird for them. They are usually really on top of things.
I gotta figure these out...
Also noticed that TBG both DeWitt and Theriot on the Dodgers. Theriot was traded from the Cubs to the Dodgers for DeWitt.
Yeah, I saw thistoo. You will all have a chance to look these over when they are done.
Got all the lineups in...time to organize this thing and import it into my editor. Biggio (who helped me rate the Tecmo Bowl ROM) is gonna team up with me again to help make this thing even better...stay tuned!
Yeah Turd I agree Anderson is a stud, but look at Gios stats. It hurt to put Gio down as the number two guy, but how can you leave him out? Remember the A's finished deadlocked at .500... 81-81. And Gio still managed to win 15 games. Oh and, there we exactly five pitchers in the AL that had more strikeouts AND a lower era than Gio.
In order, Jered Weaver/Felix Hernandez/CC Sabathia/David Price/Cliff Lee/Gio Gonzalez
Gio - 15-9 3.23 era 200 ip 171 ks
Anderson - 7-6 2.80 era 112 ip 75 ks
How many staffs in the league would choose the 112 innings pitched vs the 200? Gio 15th in the league in k's also, among the likes of King Felix, Verlander, Liriano, Sabathia, Price, Cliff Lee. I mean, I agree...given 200 innings Anderson would be similar, possibly better...but, he didn't pitch 200 innings.
Fair enough, I just really like Anderson. But, you're the team expert.
Just a heads up, we've got the ratings imported into my online editor and have begun the work on rating the ROM. I'll keep you all posted as it progresses...thanks for all the input on lineups and whatnot, saved us boatloads of time.
the way he's been playing, I would rather see Cody Ross than guillen
I'm starting out putting pitcher ratings in place (the base ones that aren't subjective, like pitch speed). I've got 7 clubs done...when I'm finished, all I'll have left to do for pitchers is curve values. I'm purposely saving them for last because I feel they should be done together to keep some consistency going if possible. I'm using curve value as the basis for how good a pitcher is, regardless of their actual arsenal of pitches. It's how I rated them last year, and it's my preferred style.
I'm late to the party, but here are a few quick notes on the White Sox. This would be a more accurate (and less optimal) batting order for most of the season:
1 Pierre LF
2 Vizquel 3B
3 Rios CF
4 Konerko 1B
5 Kotsay DH
6 Quentin RF
7 Pierzynski C
8 Ramirez SS
9 Beckham 2B
The bench is okay, though Ramon Castro's another option instead of Viciedo. If you want a no-DH lineup, I'd just drop Kotsay and move everyone up.
I would prefer Danks and Floyd as the starters, though Buehrle's a fan favorite. And you need Matt Thornton in the bullpen. By far the best White Sox reliever for the last several years, and probably the best lefty reliever in baseball. Go with Thornton and Jenks since you want to include the closer.
Completely agree on all counts, Ventura. Floyd is defiantly the better pitcher overall, plus gives the Sox a righty and a lefty, same goes for Thorton. Seriously considering putting in Ramon Castro and take out Manny Ramirez, the worst of the righties on the bench, and hardly had any ABs with Chicago anyway.
finally got a day off...gonna mess with the ROM a bit...got 4 pitchers left to rate speed for, then it's on to curve values. Then, we can release a beta or something...
any update on this?
I'll be honest, I haven't spent an evening at my computer in a long time...other life stuff taking precedence. Same for WarrenMoonBomb...we're planning on getting back on track after Thanksgiving to finish the ROM. We absolutely will be finishing the ROM, there's no question about that, we just needed a little break, that's all.
Really what's left before we released it to the wolves for suggestions and whatnot is pitcher curve ratings...stay tuned.
Not sure if I mentioned this or not, but a month or so ago, I received a hack that basically allows you to have every team have whatever uniform they want, and then the game automatically applies the home whites to the home team. No more weird color combos or whatever. Now we can have St. Louis and Cincinatti have their same uniform without conflict...same thing with all the teams that share a blue...
Wow, very cool...
wow... i think i like that. so it just does a color combo switch? or just automatically gives a home team white as their uniform?
any word on the base stealing hack?
I like it too...gives it a little more of a modern feel, if only just a little. I always hated having to struggle with uniform colors. We have this hack for the 32 Team Tecmo Bowl ROM and while there wasn't enough space for 30 extra uniforms, it was able to be done where it would just apply a hard-coded color to home or away jerseys.
I can customize this either way. I can set all the uniforms to be colored/away (gray for most, colored for some, like Houston) and then have the hack automatically just make pants/jersey white, keeping the cap, or I can switch this up and give all the teams their home whites and automatically apply the grays to away teams (gray, white, or any color I desire).
Remind me of what the base stealing hack is, and I'll bring it up in our next conversation.
After some initial discussions and studying original ROM, playtesting, etc, we got ATL and ARI finished for pitching. 28 more teams to go. Editing resumes after thanksgiving. Have an awesome turkey day people...
the base stealing hack idea was to allow the editor to denote a minimum speed for the computer stealing 2nd. right now guys with minimum 142 can steal when computer controlled.
i think you or some other people looked into it and it looked harder than it first appeared.
Just a quick update, got some more playtesting an pitchers rated this evening...no deadline/ETA yet, but this ROM should topple last year's.
Can't wait! I'm excited to play this! I was very impressed with the 2010 ROM.
Are you still planning on posting the 30-team editor? Or did I miss it?
I posted it, but I'm working on some tweaks for it. Glad ya liked the 2010 ROM. Hope to see you around o play some RPC games. 2011 ROM will be done, it's just slow moving as were at te least fun part (pitcher ratings). Were moving along, though.
I have a guy looking into this and implementing the switch hitter hack...this thing just keeps getting better...
Quote from: TβG on 11/25/10, 12:18:37 AM
the base stealing hack idea was to allow the editor to denote a minimum speed for the computer stealing 2nd. right now guys with minimum 142 can steal when computer controlled.
i think you or some other people looked into it and it looked harder than it first appeared.
I haven't done any online play because right now my primary computer is a Mac, and it looked like that was an obstacle. The Juiced version gave a more interesting computer opponent. Hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to play online in time.
I do have access to an old PC, but it's getting old and slow, and the sound doesn't work. So maybe I'll just try playing silently, or maybe I'll see about getting that fixed.
10 team's pitching staff completed...20 more to go. Tedious work to say the least.
Our pitching rating system kind of sucked after we reviewed our progress, so we revamped a bit and started over. This sounds like it put us back, but we're actually further ahead than we were because not pitchers are being rated relative to their talent level as opposed to being rated on an island. So, the result should be easier editing for us with a better at a glance view, and more parity among pitchers.
I think we'll set a goal to have this thing beta released early January. If we get aggressive, maybe sooner, but the holidays kill that, usually.
A ceiling has no wall?
Explain.
A revamped editing setup, some extra hours editing by warrenmoonbomb and a final editing/playtesting session tonight between the two of us, and SP's are completed.
Remaining work:
Relievers
Final tweaks
man i can't wait to put this on my psp and sd media launcher.
Version 1 beta has been released.
Edited by:
Warrenmoonbomb
TecmoTurd
First off, thanks to WMB. The guy is a rockstar. After collaborating, I don't think I'd ever rate another ROM without a partner...it was so much more enjoyable this way.
Features:
Uniform hack - All teams were given an away/colored uniform. The home team will automatically have their jersey/pants color replaced with white while keeping the hat color the same.
Dirth paths - For a more modern feel, the dirt paths have been drawn onto the field. I wanted this in the 2010 release, but I didn't make it in time.
The steal hack - this hasn't been changed, but it potentially could if we find a good number. We also might not change it in the spirit of keeping the original flavor.
This is an early beta, released to get feedback from people. It's rated in the spirit of the original with an attempt at modernizing it a little. We already know the rosters might not be 100% up-to-date. If you notice an incorrect player on a team, please bring it to our attention. If you have a suggestion or a gripe, let us know and we'll discuss it. We put a lot of time into this, and we' like to make it better if at all possible.
One item for debate was whether or not to include Cliff Lee on the Rangers or Phillies. One argument was to keep him on the Rangers because this ROM represents 2010, while the other argument favored accuracy. We could see both points, but thought we'd leave it up to the community to see what they had to say, so we'd appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Attached in the first post are 3 things. The original 2011 ROM, a juiced version, and the roster sheet. Please download and give us your feedback. Thanks for participating in the early roster discussions, and we look forward to your feedback.
Very excited to try this out. Nice work, sir.
Sirs, warrenmoonbmb helped out a freakin ton. Looking forward to your feedback.
downloaded.
i like that uniform hack. the game plays well.
will the online editor be available for this rom too?
There is no online editor, other than the collaborator...the downloadable editor is already available...
Just played a quick game, Cubs against LA. Everything played just fine. Was pretty shocked Tyler Colvin had 20 HRs, but baseball reference says you are right - 20 dingers and 100 Ks in 350 ABs, hmmm...
Quote from: Turd on 12/15/10, 11:35:12 PM
The steal hack - this hasn't been changed, but it potentially could if we find a good number. We also might not change it in the spirit of keeping the original flavor.
I'd say keep it the way it is for a ROM like this...
QuoteOne item for debate was whether or not to include Cliff Lee on the Rangers or Phillies. One argument was to keep him on the Rangers because this ROM represents 2010, while the other argument favored accuracy. We could see both points, but thought we'd leave it up to the community to see what they had to say, so we'd appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
I guess you have to decide if you want it to be "end of the year 2010" or "opening day 2011" ROM. Think that decision is ultimately up to you. I'd say the former, otherwise you'd have to incorporate all the other free agent signings, retirements, etc. Unless I'm completely missing the boat here...
Great job turd and moon...
PS - Uniform switch is a fantastic idea, great job...
Quote from: Gantry on 12/17/10, 12:07:11 AM
QuoteOne item for debate was whether or not to include Cliff Lee on the Rangers or Phillies. One argument was to keep him on the Rangers because this ROM represents 2010, while the other argument favored accuracy. We could see both points, but thought we'd leave it up to the community to see what they had to say, so we'd appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
I guess you have to decide if you want it to be "end of the year 2010" or "opening day 2011" ROM. Think that decision is ultimately up to you. I'd say the former, otherwise you'd have to incorporate all the other free agent signings, retirements, etc. Unless I'm completely missing the boat here...
I'm with Gantry - if you switch Lee to the Phillies, then you will have a bunch of other roster moves to make as well, and there are also still a ton of free agents who haven't signed yet. I say use it as a 2010 ROM and move things around slightly for a 2011 ROM in February - you can use all the same ratings, just switch around rosters and add a few new players.
Great feedback guys. I was ready to argue hard against keeping Clifford on the Rangers, but I started to come around, and you guys solidified that even more.
The only thing I'm concerned with still is the pitching. I'm sure some more tweaks will come, but overall, I'm happy with our efforts. I love the uniform hack as well.
We played a game last night HOU vs. MIL and I won with a Casey McGehee homer in the 10th inning to make it 1-0. Glad to be done editing the meat of this thing and actually playing it.
(I even got a game of Tecmo in last night for the first time in a long time). Good stuff...
What's the deal with the pitchers' ERAs? Tigers are all 3.37 (JV's ERA last year). BTW, love what you're doing with this game, great stuff.
Not sure how that happend, but I'll remove the link from the first post. From now on, use the links on this page:
http://www.rbibaseball.us/games/
This will also be the latest version of the game whenever we make updates.
did the online collaborator spit out a rom? i can't remember. could you put the speed hack in there so we could download a rom with all these new options that are available? field, uniforms, etc? just wondering if that's possible.
Yeah, the online collaborator spits out a ROM and a roster sheet. I'll put together a hackified ROM tomorrow evening. What speed do you want it set to?
Is there a way to add a feature where you can choose the steal speed setting in the rom? (For instance, if the menu comes up you can choose if you want that to happen at 120 or 140)
Not easily. I can show you an easy way to change it though if you so desire.
Turd, where is the downloadable editor available? I've been looking for a link and can't find it. I'll probably find it right after I post this...
You've got PM...
Is there a 30 rom editor available. If so, could you send me the link??
Thanks a lot
Luke
Turd,
Not sure if this has been asked in this thread (I certainly haven't seen it), but, is there an editor available for this? Can you post a link?
Thanks!
Haha...the editor has some bugs and some new features I was adding, I just haven't gotten around to finishing yet. In the meantime, if you have some things you want tweaked, PM them to me and I'll look into making them for you.
Started a little work on the 2011 Preseason release (moving Lee to the Phils, etc). The guy who was assisting in getting a bunch of awesome hacks has reappeared as of recent. He's agreed to pick up where he left off on those hacks. No idea when this all happens, so until then I'm pretending like it isn't going to. I'll keep ya'll posted, but for now, this next update is just a roster update.
don't tease me.....
I know, it's a bit early to post considering they aren't done yet, but the fact that the project is at least confirmed to be back in action this week, my hopes are high that the remaining nuances of the game are to be fixed (at least the ones I deemed necessary).
Twins lineup is likely to look like this:
Span
Nishioka
Mauer
Morneau
Young
Thome (DH)
Cuddyer
Valencia
Casilla
Is the DH hack present in this? If so, the bench is Kubel, Tolbert, Repko, Butera; otherwise, drop Butera for Thome (leaves them without a backup catcher, but Butera is a worthless hitter, and positions don't matter anyway).
Pitching staff should be Liriano, Pavano, Capps, Nathan.
We were going to use mlbdepthcharts as a base for lineups, but if the team experts have preference/advanced knowledge, we'll listn to that as well.
As for the DH hack being in, no hacks are in right now, but it's one of the hacks being looked at...running into logistical issues on how to actually do it.
It was basically going to determine whether or not to use the DH based on if the home/away team was NL/AL, but not quite sure how to make it happen without being able to specify what position the DH bats.
Is there an updated link for the 2010 ROM?
I'll post it later today. We hvent made any headway on the 2011 as we've been busy as he'll of late.
I threw two links in the top post...
Thanks, Turd. What program do I use to open the file??
Quote from: SamC on 03/14/11, 06:32:00 PM
Thanks, Turd. What program do I use to open the file??
Windows.
Download nestopia 1.39
www.rbibaseball.us has it in the download section.
I started tweaking lineups and bench guy power today, got about 24 teams left...after that, just gonna make a sweep through for any last refinements, then I'll post and you can give me your feedback...
Made it up to the 'Stros...moving along nicely...
Phew. Batters are done. I followed my own lineups, so if anyone has tweaks to this, or error corrections, let me know. I'm considering these beta ratings, so feedback me please.
Pitchers aren't solidified yet, only batters. Link is in top thread.
I'll attach the roster dump tomorrow if I get time.
Roster sheet attached to top post
For the lazy folks, here's the sheet with the batting info/orders:
http://rbi30.sweethoss.com/roster.php?romid=3
Give Turd some feedback, will ya? Will change forum news
Thanks, Gantry...hope to finalize things within the week, thought I'd drop the mostly finished product on opening day...
Go Brewers...
Why does Pujols have such a high contact rating? Just trying to make him less godlike?
3 Double Plays last night can't help his rating
You know, it's an extension of a debate on had on his rating last year...with the 954 power rating, he was automatic homer (which, even with a 25 contact rating, he's still homerific). Even at his min power, he's apt to get on base...
There were some guys who hit well but not for power that I gave a lower, midline power rating and a very low contact rating so that they consistently hit at the same level all the time...
Re-Poop complained about Pujols last year hitting too many homeruns, and I could never get through to him that the guy is a machine and deserves Dawson like power...pitchers should be scared to pitch to him.
He also has a retarded kid.
I think that should factor into his douche rating.
So you told me to remind you in this thread to put Granderson in for the Yankees in the Beta Rom
12 more pitching rotation/bullpens to tweak, then on to implementing people's suggestions for lineups (very few this year). Then we can lock it in...
Should probably be Lester and Bucholz pitching for Sox. Beckett is the #3/#4 this year.
Also, JD Drew should get the nod ahead of Mike Cameron. Cameron should take Darnell McDonalds spot on the bench. And Cameron, Drew, Lowrie and Scutaro are all faster than Youkilis.
Do you really prefer having JD Drew in right?
Yeah. Especially over an 80 year old Mike Cameron. Cameron and Drew are platooning, but it's pretty much determined that Drew will get the lions share of innings and at-bats.
Actually, someone on the Tecmo forum suggested this same thing for the sox. Thanks for the feedback.
P.S. Youk's speed rating should be 127 in my setup...I rate speed based on SBs and triples...
Still, it shouldn't be as high as it is, must have missed that...
Quote from: Mike D. on 04/02/11, 06:38:48 PM
Yeah. Especially over an 80 year old Mike Cameron. Cameron and Drew are platooning, but it's pretty much determined that Drew will get the lions share of innings and at-bats.
Mike Cameron isn't anywhere near 80 years old, please get your fact straight...
Pitchers are done. Really close now, just need to whip through the lineups and make sure I didn't make any glaring errors...
Be sure and post the final stats, hopefully now that the season is underway people will have a better grasp on their team lineups and abilities
Actually, that link in the top post is "live," meaning that whenever I make edits to the teams, it gets reflected in the roster sheet...I'm still using my web-based editor that we all used for the 1987 ROM.
Not getting much feedback, so I think I'll officialize it soon, with a possible update mid-season...
sorry i didn't respond earlier. scioscia does use some different lineups, but i think this reflects the best options:
Team Data for Angels:
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 MIztrs LHB .250 3 24 742 125
02 EAybar LHB .253 5 23 754 135 <put kendrick here
03 Abreu LHB .255 20 23 838 133
04 Hunter RHB .281 23 19 876 125
05 Wells RHB .273 31 20 899 126
06 Kndrck RHB .279 10 19 801 131 <trumbo here
07 Trumbo RHB .670 0 32 765 121 < callaspo here
08 Mathis RHB .195 3 32 741 123
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09 Borjos RHB .204 6 31 759 134 < bourjos is the everyday center fielder, but the weakest hitter, if DH
10 Claspo LHB .265 10 21 781 125
11 Wilson RHB .229 4 27 780 121
12 Wood RHB .146 4 40 747 121 < Kendrys Morales is expected to be back before the ASB (i hope in May)
<-Ability-> <--Speed-->
No Name R/L ERA Snk CL CR Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
=============================================================
13 Weaver RHP 3.01 8 8 8 73 82 92 40 115 140
14 Sntana RHP 3.92 6 5 7 78 85 92 40 115 140
15 Jepsen RHP 3.97 8 5 6 81 90 96 15 115 140
16 Rodney RHP 4.24 6 5 6 78 90 95 15 115 140 <Walden has already taken over for rodney who sucks
Perfect! thanks my good man. I'm thinking of something for next year that will help make this whole thing easier...I'll give people access to the editor somehow to either note or actually make lineup changes there (without actually changing the ratings, cause that's my job), discuss the current lineup by posting comments, and whateer else I can think of. I just implemented drag and drop lineup ordering, and it's SOOOOO much nicer than the old way I did it...
the white sox don't have a third baseman in their lineup. this order is close to accurate (given the lack of DH)
Pierre LF
Ramirez SS
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Rios CF
Pierzynski C
Beckham 2B
Morel 3B
Fixed, thanks...
Hi there
I have been gone for a while. Do you know if you could put Lance Berkman on the Cardinals and drop Brenden Ryan?
Also is the 30 team editor available for everyone? If so, where can I find it?
Luke
Are you suggesting Berkman for the official ROM? I can make that happen...editor isn't really available, I just edit it using my web-based one, but it only edits my official ROM, it doesn't work for multiple ROMs...
I'm finalizing this probably end of this weekend...been working a little on a league site...
I've decided that I don't want to put in too much effort to run a fancy league, as much as I think it'd be fun, it's wasteful to spend that much time when I can't guarantee people will play their games, so we're going to play meatspin style.
Not the transvestite swirling its junk around, but the meatspin the tecmo league, where the schedule was put out, and anyone could play any game on that schedule, so you weren't waiting for slackers. People with the most games in at the end move to the post-season...
Is this final yet?
I'd like to run the stats through my program and summarize and/guess which teams will be the best.
Is the rom on nightwulf's editor?
If so, I can download from there. What's the rom name?
It's pretty final...I'l make tweaks maybe midseason...it's not on nightwulf's editor, his editor is only for the 10-team ROM. You can download it from http://www.rbibaseball.us
Please post your results!
Have only looked at offenses so far.
Here is what the "average rankings" look like from top to bottom (no PH bonus considerations).
Team FCT Power Cnt AvgPowr Spd Lefties
Reds: 2 1 29 1 15 29
Yankees: 4 4 13 3 12 1
Red Sox: 3 5 26 6 5 4
Rangers: 1 2 30 2 1 16
Braves: 7 7 20 7 30 4
Giants: 5 3 18 4 23 23
Brewers: 6 6 10 5 24 26
Orioles: 9 9 20 12 17 12
Indians: 8 8 7 9 6 4
Twins: 12 13 28 14 19 12
Cubs: 18 15 8 13 26 16
WhiteSox: 10 12 23 11 11 16
Rockies: 14 16 15 17 12 4
Diamondbacks: 13 14 14 15 14 12
Tigers: 11 9 27 10 24 12
Athletics: 15 17 17 16 7 4
Blue Jays: 17 11 1 8 27 29
Mets: 20 22 23 21 4 16
Phillies: 16 18 19 18 15 1
Pirates: 19 20 11 20 17 4
Cardinals: 21 19 16 19 21 26
Marlins: 24 25 25 26 9 16
Dodgers: 25 24 4 23 22 23
Nationals: 23 21 22 22 28 16
Rays: 22 23 3 24 2 4
Angels: 26 26 2 25 9 23
Mariners: 27 28 5 29 3 4
Astros: 29 27 8 27 20 26
Padres: 28 29 6 28 8 16
Royals: 30 30 12 30 29 1
This is how I would rank the teams from top to bottom.
This takes into consideration several factors such as bench utilization and PH bonuses among usage. Gives a slight advantage to lefties (rbi hole + quicker run times to first + dbl play avoidance), and assumes a 60% contact factor (which may be low for ATG), meaning 60% of fair balls not hit on the sweet spot.
Team FCT Power Cnt AvgPowr Spd
Reds: 1.0637 852.8 20.2 839.3 128.0
Yankees: 1.0620 851.7 23.1 837.2 128.2
Red Sox: 1.0609 845.1 21.0 829.3 129.5
Rangers: 1.0608 846.7 18.9 832.7 132.3
Braves: 1.0504 842.4 21.7 829.4 124.4
Giants: 1.0499 844.7 21.4 830.1 126.0
Brewers: 1.0482 845.3 22.7 832.5 125.8
Orioles: 1.0479 840.4 21.2 823.6 127.1
Indians: 1.0475 836.8 23.8 824.0 129.2
Twins: 1.0425 833.3 20.3 818.7 126.9
Cubs: 1.0421 839.7 24.4 826.9 125.0
WhiteSox: 1.0416 838.0 21.3 823.2 128.6
Rockies: 1.0388 831.3 24.0 815.0 128.3
Diamondbacks: 1.0383 831.4 22.6 817.1 128.2
Tigers: 1.0380 834.5 19.8 819.8 125.6
Athletics: 1.0352 825.5 23.5 812.9 129.1
Blue Jays: 1.0342 839.3 28.0 828.0 125.6
Mets: 1.0290 821.6 21.4 809.7 130.3
Phillies: 1.0279 824.0 21.7 811.0 127.9
Pirates: 1.0271 823.5 24.3 808.9 127.7
Cardinals: 1.0262 825.3 23.3 811.6 126.4
Marlins: 1.0228 818.3 21.6 804.8 128.8
Dodgers: 1.0199 820.7 26.4 808.5 126.9
Nationals: 1.0166 818.2 22.5 804.1 125.4
Rays: 1.0151 810.1 27.2 797.1 131.4
Angels: 1.0089 812.8 26.5 800.7 127.8
Mariners: 0.9998 798.3 24.5 783.9 130.5
Astros: 0.9955 801.7 24.3 787.8 126.9
Padres: 0.9937 797.6 24.6 784.7 129.0
Royals: 0.9845 792.9 24.2 776.9 125.4
In the attached file, I have ranked all 360 batters from 1 - 360 in overall offensive performance.
I did not take PH bonus considerations in these rankings.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing, my good man...
After playing a bunch of games on my replay season, I think I might ahve to do an increase on pitcher speeds across the board, as the pitches seem too slow. Anyone else who played it notice this, or am I just being too picky with my ratings?
I decided to change my plan a bit this year and actually assign each team an error rating. I also tweaked a few uniforms, and added a version number so that people know what version they are using. So, with that said, version 1.1 is available on rbibaseball.us. Enjoy...
Also added juiced download version as well...