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Title: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 06:24:24 PM
I have some info back from the man...

in hex, x2126 (same spot in 30 team ROM as well as 10 team), that's the minimum speed you need for the CPU to steal.

This value by default is 144 (90 in hex).  So, we can adjust this number lower to adjust the minimum speed a CPU baserunner needs to steal a base.

For the record, he said that basically the formula says:

if speed >= 144 and the generated random number matches some criteria (50% chance), the player will steal.  So, anyone over 143 has a 50% chance of stealing second.

How does that grab you?

Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 06:32:03 PM
Didn't you pat attention to this year's FRBI season?
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:15:29 PM
What are you talking about? Tbg asked me to find this for him.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 07:27:27 PM
Good work Turd.

My point was that this little cute project wasn't groundbreaking. There are 4 guys in the game who'll steal bases in watch mode. Parameters weren't needed to tell us that, but it was good to confirm this.

And I'm still pissed about your team upsetting the Empire you lucky fuck. I'll be sure to cheat next time around.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:15:29 PM
What are you talking about? Tbg asked me to find this for him.

TBG should know better btw. Can't believe he's trying to cheat and reform the matrix. The OC should feel lucky the Empire did not clash with those homos. We swept those homos last year during the regular season.

And Nacho put a sorry ass team together. Sally Cunts...LOL
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:38:42 PM
Actually, the confirming if the threshold wasn't the inspiration, jts just part of it. The meaning of this was to find how to change the minimum speed needed to steal. Don't you remember that conversation from last season?
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:38:42 PM
Actually, the confirming if the threshold wasn't the inspiration, jts just part of it. The meaning of this was to find how to change the minimum speed needed to steal. Don't you remember that conversation from last season?

Yes, I do recall that conversation. If you can alter and manipulate this, that is actually pretty cool. However, don't expect my league to accept such moderations to the matrix...
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:49:50 PM
I don't expect that. He might though. I really don't care, I just wanted to know for my own reference. I like knowing stuff about the game.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 07:49:50 PM
I don't expect that. He might though. I really don't care, I just wanted to know for my own reference. I like knowing stuff about the game.

Don't think you're going to quit on my league. I WANT REVENGE!!!111 WIKILEAKS TOLD ME YOU CHEATED!!!! THE EMPIRE WILL REIGN!!!!
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Gantry on 12/01/10, 08:04:05 PM
Ignore Darky Turd, when he drinks he feels compelled to run around the forums and antagonize people.  It's a quality find...
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 08:27:34 PM
Haha, I'm not threatened by him, he's harmless. This thread was for Tbg and other people who care, not darky. I'm probably not going to be in the frbi next season.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 08:27:34 PM
Haha, I'm not threatened by him, he's harmless. This thread was for Tbg and other people who care, not darky. I'm probably not going to be in the frbi next season.

You have no choice. The Galactic Senate will not tolerate such pussy bailouts. YOU WILL BE IN THE UPCOMING FRBI SEASON. C'mon man, you don't make the championship and then just quit. I thought you were a man of integrity? Don't pull this shit on me man. More importantly, don't fail the FRBI League.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 09:55:51 PM
Actually, I'm out because it just wasn't that fun. You're mostly a good guy, but I don't like the dictatorship kind of thing (see previous posts regarding the dismissal of using a steal threshold change), and more importantly, I'd rather play. 
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 09:59:11 PM
Woops, fixed an error in the top post, locatin is x2126 (change x90 to a different number, such as x78 for 120 speed)
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 10:03:18 PM
Darky, use an updated ROM and then we'll talk :)

I just tried this out setting it to 120. Worked great.  Guys were attempting steals left and right...
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: ultimate7 on 12/01/10, 10:28:21 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 06:24:24 PM
if speed >= 144 and the generated random number matches some criteria (50% chance), the player will steal.  So, anyone over 143 has a 50% chance of stealing second.


This should say there is a 50% chance they attempt to steal 2nd.  And it is interesting that it doesn't matter if it is 144 or 148 still 50%.  For Watch season we should lower to 140.  I don't think CPU ever has a caught stealing.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/01/10, 10:35:26 PM
Correct, if their speed is 144 or higher, there is a 50% chance they'll take off running for second base.  If they are less than 144, they won't even attempt it. 

It'd be real easy to play around with the numbers to determine a good minimum threshold...

Darknuggets already said he wouldn't change the game though, so there you have it.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/01/10, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 09:55:51 PM
Actually, I'm out because it just wasn't that fun. You're mostly a good guy, but I don't like the dictatorship kind of thing (see previous posts regarding the dismissal of using a steal threshold change), and more importantly, I'd rather play.  

As you wish. The FRBI league does not conform or reform to your "needs", or anyone else's. The game is preserved as it's meant to be (nothing has changed since Fighton was the commissioner). The brand name is established, unlike the other cute and failed projects that have come and gone. The FRBI league is the most prestigious fantasy league in existence on the internet---bar none. Your presence is not needed, and your spot will be replaced in a heartbeat.

I hereby permanently ban you from the FRBI League on the basis of your disrespect to the sacred trademark and force that holds this forum together. You may watch and follow the league at your liberty. Enjoy the bratwurst while watching the games.  

And let it be known that the upcoming draft will be conducted as it always has. There will be no changes---such as keepers or any erroneous ideas. You don't like it, then don't participate in the league---every team owner is replaceable. The tradition and integrity of the FRBI League will not be compromised due to "your cute ideas of reform".
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: TβG on 12/02/10, 12:37:20 AM
thanks for looking into that and developing a hack.  i haven't looked back in the league thread to see the discussion, but i think 140 was a good competitive number for the amount of players that were available at that speed.  i think it was 11 or 12 guys.

darky, open your mind and roll with the changes.  this is the age of aquarius for rbi.  think about it, maaaan.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/02/10, 04:48:14 AM
Darky, thanks for making the decision even easier. I should have known itd be a waste of time when right off the bat my team was disallowed from having a name with poop in it because someone elses team already referenced poop. And, further confirmed by how embarrassed I was for you when I heard how serious you took our playoff games (listen to YouTube videos for proof). Good day sir.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/02/10, 07:28:36 AM
Owned.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/02/10, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: Turd on 12/02/10, 04:48:14 AM
Darky, thanks for making the decision even easier. I should have known itd be a waste of time when right off the bat my team was disallowed from having a name with poop in it because someone elses team already referenced poop. And, further confirmed by how embarrassed I was for you when I heard how serious you took our playoff games (listen to YouTube videos for proof). Good day sir.

There is nothing wrong about being extremely competitive. If you viewed my competitiveness as an embarrassment, that's your problem. I'm not here on this planet to act how you think I should act. Losing is not tolerated in my world, if it is for you, then that is not my concern---unless you are on my team.

Also, the Poopydicks is a trademark name in the FRBI League. Another team name containing the word "poop" would not only be one too many, but also violate their trademark name. I do find humor in the fact that you took it really personal.

The Galactic Senate made this clear from the beginning, and no rookie and newcomer to the FRBI League is higher or greater than the league and Galactic Senate. This isn't your buddy-buddy league where anything goes and things automatically change because you have "cute" ideas. You immediately came into my league with suggestions and demands and showing disrespect to the Commissioner. You may have had things your way in other "cute" and unprofessional leagues, but the Galactic Senate serves a purpose in that the structure and tradition of the FRBI League is not altered or compromised. This is neither a Democracy or Republic, the Force is the law, and nobody is above the Force.

Our youtube videos have a solid fan base, and more than 20 million views has been registered in every game of the last season. The FRBI League is its own entity, I just push buttons to keep it going forward as its popularity expands.  ;)

I also used proper discretion right before the draft last season. According to Wikileaks, you and TBG exchanged PM's about who you were going to take in the first round. A clear violation of our ethical policies. However, I turned a blind eye to this since the OC Legions of Doom have a lot of clout in the league. As a result, the upcoming draft slots will be released an hour before the draft begins this season. This will end the annual back room deals that goes on before the draft, and at the same time, make the draft more honest and high pressured.

May the Force bless you citizens of the Galactic Empire.





Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/02/10, 10:17:47 AM
Laughable.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/02/10, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: Turd on 12/02/10, 10:17:47 AM
Words.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Reds on 12/02/10, 10:37:18 AM
Its funny that literally everyone that has interaction with him thinks hes a douche.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/02/10, 10:46:26 AM
What's not funny is that everyone who has an interaction with your mom thinks she needs to douche.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Reds on 12/02/10, 10:49:15 AM
oof
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/02/10, 10:49:50 AM
Because she has a dirty vagina.

























:(
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Shooty on 12/02/10, 11:22:52 AM
Could someone else please organize another Fantasy RBI league and exclude Darky from joining.  I enjoyed particiapting before, but now I just can't.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/02/10, 12:09:20 PM
I'd join an updated FRBI league if hitler isn't in charge.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/02/10, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Shooty on 12/02/10, 11:22:52 AM
Could someone else please organize another Fantasy RBI league and exclude Darky from joining.  I enjoyed particiapting before, but now I just can't.

I run a top notch and fast paced league. 24 games plus the playoffs completed in 4 months. Available stats, post-game round ups for each game with pics and boxscores, and of course youtube videos. If somebody has the time and energy to do all that in 4 months, they can put up their league against mine, and see it fail. Nobody has complained about how my league operates.

Fighton ran the league well, but he didn't have the time to really run the league since the last season he was commissioner went over a calendar year. Running a league takes a LOT OF TIME. I doubt somebody could match the time and effort in how I run the league, as well as the skill it takes to write post-game write ups. That is why I am the Commissioner because I have the time and the passion. Fighton handed over to me, and used wise discretion in doing so.

I don't see how you hating me prevents you from participating in the league. I run the league as objectively as possible, and NOT one complaint has ever manifested in how I run the league.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/02/10, 12:18:42 PM
I'll give you props for most of what you said, it's more your personality that stinks like the underside of a bum's scrotum, that's where the complaints are coming from.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Shooty on 12/02/10, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dårky on 12/02/10, 12:14:01 PM
I run the league as objectively as possible, and NOT one complaint has ever manifested in how I run the league.

Attezz...please get to work on refuting this claim.  THX!
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/02/10, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: Turd on 12/02/10, 12:18:42 PM
I'll give you props for most of what you said, it's more your personality that stinks like the underside of a bum's scrotum, that's where the complaints are coming from.

Did my personality present a problem during the season? I don't think it did. When there were problems, everybody voted to fix the problem. I was very diplomatic and democratic in that sense. I don't run the league with an iron fist, nor do I make a mockery out of it.

Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/02/10, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Shooty on 12/02/10, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dårky on 12/02/10, 12:14:01 PM
I run the league as objectively as possible, and NOT one complaint has ever manifested in how I run the league.

Attezz...please get to work on refuting this claim.  THX!

Timestamps.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Darky on 12/02/10, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: TβG on 12/02/10, 12:37:20 AM
darky, open your mind and roll with the changes.  this is the age of aquarius for rbi.  think about it, maaaan.

I'll bring it up, it does sound like it can add an exciting dimension to the game---though runners never get thrown out in watch mode. And if we were to set the limit to 140, they'd never get thrown out. Regardless, it still would make the draft more interesting, and seeing what kind of impact the speedsters can have on the game over the course of a season. 

Quote from: Turd on 12/01/10, 10:03:18 PM
Darky, use an updated ROM and then we'll talk :)

I just tried this out setting it to 120. Worked great.  Guys were attempting steals left and right...

Is this for the 10 team classic ROM?
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: TβG on 12/03/10, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Dårky on 12/02/10, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: TβG on 12/02/10, 12:37:20 AM
darky, open your mind and roll with the changes.  this is the age of aquarius for rbi.  think about it, maaaan.

I'll bring it up, it does sound like it can add an exciting dimension to the game---though runners never get thrown out in watch mode. And if we were to set the limit to 140, they'd never get thrown out. Regardless, it still would make the draft more interesting, and seeing what kind of impact the speedsters can have on the game over the course of a season. 

I'm glad to hear you'll think about it.  I think it will make the draft fresh again and potentially change player values (at least those within the base-stealing parameters).

This may cause me to look at my spreadsheet again.  I haven't seen it in months!
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: ultimate7 on 12/03/10, 10:37:26 PM
I might go to 138, add Strawberry and others, plus probably a small possibility of getting caught
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/03/10, 11:05:10 PM
It works on both original and 30 team. Same location.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Attezz on 12/04/10, 10:49:35 AM
Is this a 50% that they'll attempt to steal on every pitch or per at bat?
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: ultimate7 on 12/04/10, 04:00:04 PM
each pitch
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: Turd on 12/04/10, 06:19:15 PM
Correct. That part isn't being hacked.  The only thing this does is lower the speed requirement for a batter being able to steal.  After they pass that requirement, every pitch there's a 50% chance they'll steal.
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: TβG on 12/07/10, 12:33:11 AM
the original rbi default stealing speed rating threshold is 144 = 4 players.

i copied this info below from a table i created in my spreadsheet.  not sure if it will make sense.  13 players are 140 and above.  20 players are at 138 and above.

my table:

148-144 will steal bases computer-controlled.                  
134 and above is considered "plus" speed.                  
53 Players have above average speed (130+).                  
TOTAL   53   Above Avg   29   23   1   
Speed   # of plyrs   Percentile   OF   IF   C   
148   1   99%   1   0   0   
146   2   98%   2   0   0   
144   1   97.5%   0   1   0   
142   4   95%   4   0   0   
140   5   90%   4   1   0   140+=13
138   7   85%   5   2   0   
136   5   80%   3   2   0   
134   9   75%   3   5   1
132   6   70%   2   4   0
130   13   66-57%   5   8   0
128   9   55-50%   3   6   0
126   9   45%   3   5   1
124   26   40-33%   8   16   2
122   8   10%   5   2   1
120   11   5%   0   4   7
118   4   2%   1   2   1
16 catgrs   120   Top -Btm   49   58   13
TOTAL   67   Below Avg   20   35   12
               
Mean(Avg)   128.87            
Median   128            
Mode   124            
Title: Re: Steal probability and speed threshold
Post by: TβG on 04/25/12, 12:52:23 AM
this