Is there a list of players who, at the end of 1987, weren't on the teams that they represent on RBI?
I know Reggie Jackson was with the A's in 1987, Don Baylor was with the Twins, Ray Knight was with Baltimore, etc. Is there a list somewhere? If not, just post other examples.
Remember that the teams were split between the 86 (Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Astros) and 87 (Twins, Tigers, Giants, Cardinals) playoff teams. So for the former you should probably use 86 instead of 87. Don't know if that's precisely how they rostered it but that is definitely how those teams were chosen.
Quote from: Gantry on 01/05/18, 07:49:36 AM
Remember that the teams were split between the 86 (Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Astros) and 87 (Twins, Tigers, Giants, Cardinals) playoff teams. So for the former you should probably use 86 instead of 87. Don't know if that's precisely how they rostered it but that is definitely how those teams were chosen.
Yeah, I know, but would still be interested in a list. Besides Baylor, is there any other player that could have been on two teams in the game? 86 Red Sox and 87 Twins.
Well make the list and I'll put it in the wiki, HOW ABOUT THAT
Ellis Burks wasn't on the '86 Red Sox - '87 was his rookie year.
Lots of these on the All-Star teams, although those were deliberately hacked together to avoid having duplicate players, so not sure if they count.
Quote from: BeefMaster on 01/05/18, 08:41:49 AM
Ellis Burks wasn't on the '86 Red Sox - '87 was his rookie year.
Lots of these on the All-Star teams, although those were deliberately hacked together to avoid having duplicate players, so not sure if they count.
What year was Tim Burks on the team?
It's Shooty's list but I would say not to count All Star teams since they were as you said randomly cobbled together.
I think "players who have the wrong year's stats (or the wrong stats)" is also an interesting corollary to this. Besides Burks, Reggie Jackson and Tony Armas are the most obvious examples, and there are also some smaller things like them pushing Tim Laudner's batting average over the Mendoza line, presumably to look nicer, and some pitchers' ERAs being changed because they only supported numbers up to 3.55.
IIRC if the ERA was highly over 3.55 they subtracted said number from their actual ERA. That's how some people like Don Sutton have crazy low ERAs
I think it was 2.55 that they subtracted, because the lowest possible ERA was 1.00 (they basically just added 100 to the integer value and put in a decimal point), but I am pretty sure you're right that they did any manual adjustments like they did with batters.
Ah yes, good call
Quote from: Gantry on 01/05/18, 08:46:33 AM
It's Shooty's list but I would say not to count All Star teams since they were as you said randomly cobbled together.
I would only count All Star players if they are representing the wrong league.
There should be a special mention for Pedrique who was probably not good enough to make a minor league all-star game
he didn't even start in half the pirates games in 87
That really was a weird addition, remember researching awhile back and Hubie Brooks made 3298749387 times more sense.
Again, don't forget the "one from every team" concept. Pedrique did hit over .300 and they needed a Pirate and there was no dominant NL SS. And the Expos already had Raines and Galarraga. And Tim Burke!
Is every team represented though?
We went through all this before.
All 12 NL teams are represented.
12 of the 14 AL teams are represented.
Max of 3 players per team.
Like I remember anything that happened since I started drinking.
Interesting, who are the unrepresented AL teams? We should find proper replacements.
Here was my shot at explaining it. Although the first person I put on my teams (Rickey Henderson), I got the team wrong (Oak instead of NYY)
https://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=2789.msg33995#msg33995
Wow, that's some good stuff right there, don't remember any of it.
Quote from: Shooty on 01/08/18, 08:36:30 AM
Again, don't forget the "one from every team" concept. Pedrique did hit over .300 and they needed a Pirate and there was no dominant NL SS. And the Expos already had Raines and Galarraga. And Tim Burke!
they could have put in barry bonds
Not that Pedrique makes sense, but Bonds didn't make sense at that point either. He'd only played two seasons and his stats weren't very remarkable
Quote from: TempoGL on 01/08/18, 05:51:31 PM
Not that Pedrique makes sense, but Bonds didn't make sense at that point either. He'd only played two seasons and his stats weren't very remarkable
looking at the stats, i see pedrique has the team's highest batting average. since the programmers admittedly didn't know much about baseball, it makes more sense. look up he stats & go straight to batting average. they probably figured it was a stroke of luck that here was one short stop who fit that bill (maybe there are others?)
tho bonds did have 25 hr/30 sbs and 30 doubles which is pretty nice
But like 73837283 guys hit 25 homers in 1987
Quote from: TempoGL on 01/08/18, 09:47:44 PM
But like 73837283 guys hit 25 homers in 1987
3 guys went 30-30 in the NL, and barry was next closest. you're making him sound below average
...but like I think you already said, they needed a shortstop. Bonds was a guy who was two years in the league and played OF. He had no real cache or star power at the time. If you're trying to make an argument for a logical Pirate to be included over Pedrique, Bonds makes sense...but it's not like he's a slam dunk omission.
i literally said it two posts ago