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Title: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/10/05, 03:46:32 PM
Crappy or not?
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/10/05, 10:06:56 PM
Crappy for curve.  Not enough movement in my opinion.  But they all can't be John Tudor.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/10/05, 10:23:13 PM
Totally not.  He's the only lefty on that staff....he's one of the best RP in the business...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/10/05, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/10/05, 10:23:13 PM
Totally not.  He's the only lefty on that staff....he's one of the best RP in the business...

You can pitch to me using Willie any day.    ;D
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/10/05, 10:50:42 PM
and I would...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: fknmclane on 01/10/05, 11:53:59 PM
I've always gotten good results with Willie's changeup for some reason.  His rating isn't that great, but the lefties seem to pitch better for me.  ;)

And yes, there is only ONE Johnny Tudor.  And he is the fucking man.

Side note: for some reason, when I was really young, I used to think Larry Herndon and Willie Hernandez were the same player, like it was an ironman player.  Very strange.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Gantry on 01/10/05, 11:55:59 PM
Willie is the most feared reliever in dee-nee straight pitch RBI.  Nobody comes close, maybe Garrelts...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/11/05, 01:18:36 PM
I am a curve only guy, so I was asking about curve.  Sometimes he is effective for me, but most of the time not.  He may be the most inconsistent reliever in the business.  Sometimes he's lights out, but sometimes he can't get an out.

Every team has a tragic flaw.  Bullpen is a big prob for DET.

Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/11/05, 02:02:46 PM
Agreed--as far as King goes, for sure.  But I think Hernandez is the best pitcher on the Detroit staff--easily.  I think a big problem for Det (in curve, anyway) is the fact that both of their starters are righties.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/11/05, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/11/05, 02:02:46 PM
Agreed--as far as King goes, for sure.  But I think Hernandez is the best pitcher on the Detroit staff--easily.  I think a big problem for Det (in curve, anyway) is the fact that both of their starters are righties.
I disagree.   I think Doyle has a great curveball.  I strike a ton of dudes out with him.  His stamina isn't great though.  Morris has a decent fastball too.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: JoeDirt on 01/11/05, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/11/05, 02:41:58 PM
I disagree.   I think Doyle has a great curveball.  I strike a ton of dudes out with him.  His stamina isn't great though.  Morris has a decent fastball too.

Yeah, I agree--Doyle has good movement and is a good pitcher--for being a righty and not throwing all that hard.  I generally think lefty pitchers are better, though, because IMO it's easier to pitch against the opposite hand as the pitcher...and since most hitters are righties, a lefty pitcher is more valuable.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/11/05, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on 01/11/05, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/11/05, 02:41:58 PM
I disagree.   I think Doyle has a great curveball.  I strike a ton of dudes out with him.  His stamina isn't great though.  Morris has a decent fastball too.

Yeah, I agree--Doyle has good movement and is a good pitcher--for being a righty and not throwing all that hard.  I generally think lefty pitchers are better, though, because IMO it's easier to pitch against the opposite hand as the pitcher...and since most hitters are righties, a lefty pitcher is more valuable.
I agree it's better to pitch against opposite handed hitters.  i'd like to see a breakdown of lefty/ righty hitters.  also... are all switch hitters lefties?  e.g. coleman and ozzie are really switch but computer has them as lefty.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/11/05, 03:43:31 PM
I think most, if not all real-life switch hitters are lefties in RBI.    Mookie, HoJo, and Backman, for example, were all switch hitters and are lefties in the game. 

There may be some exceptions, but i've always assumed that to be true.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: ultimate7 on 01/11/05, 03:48:23 PM
Most Left Handed hitters are left handed in the game, however there are exceptions to this too.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/12/05, 12:52:09 AM
I had to check it out to be sure.  There are surprisingly no exceptions to the rule.  All switch hitters are lefties in RBI.  For a moment, i thought i had found one in Jose Uribe, but then realized that the lineup on San Francisco's page (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/sanfran.shtml) is incorrect in saying he's a righty.

Spike Owen
Gary Pettis
Kevin Bass
Bill Doran
Alan Ashby
Roy Smalley
Gene Larkin
Mookie Wilson
Wally Backman
Howard Johnson
Lee Mazzilli
Jose Uribe
Chili Davis
Vince Coleman
Ozzie Smith
Tom Herr
Willie McGee
Terry Pendleton
Jose Oquendo
Tim Raines

EDIT:  my reference (http://www.baseballreference.com)
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Gantry on 01/12/05, 12:56:56 AM
Well done Nails!  I changed Uribe to a lefty (shit I never keep him in long enough to remember which way he bats) and I think the data about switch hitters deservers a FAQ Entry (http://dee-nee.com/rbi/faq.shtml). 

You sure you got all the switch hitters in RBI?
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/12/05, 01:06:20 AM
99.9% sure.  I looked up every player to be sure, so unless baseballreference.com is wrong, or I made a mistake at this late hour...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Gantry on 01/12/05, 01:15:18 AM
It's been added:

http://dee-nee.com/rbi/faq.shtml#SWITCH

Thanks again Nails
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Nails on 01/12/05, 08:07:24 AM
Kick ass.  I'm glad to have helped contribute.  Good write up by the way.
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Gantry on 01/12/05, 10:53:47 AM
Any sort of useful RBI research will be rewarded on the site, so never hesitate to do some investigating.  I sorely need to clean up the FAQ...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: ericdavisfan on 01/13/05, 12:11:06 PM
I frequently start Willie, just so I'm not tempted to put him in during the late innings.  He always sucks it up for me in the 8th/9th
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: GreatScott on 01/13/05, 12:20:16 PM
He has been a great waiver wire pick up for me in the RBI Fantasy League.  When Willie steps in to close... GAME OVER. 
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Gantry on 01/13/05, 12:36:07 PM
Great pickup, would hvae been an early pick in a dee-nee fantasy rbi league...
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: ericdavisfan on 01/13/05, 02:34:12 PM
I think that is one of my favorite things about RBI.  Everyone can have their favorite guy.  He is equal across the board, but seems to perform differently for everyone.  I'll always be a huge Chet Lemon fan, but I know people that take him out routinely
Title: Re: Willie Hernandez
Post by: Big Apple RBI Champ on 01/13/05, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: ericdavisfan on 01/13/05, 02:34:12 PM
I think that is one of my favorite things about RBI.  Everyone can have their favorite guy.  He is equal across the board, but seems to perform differently for everyone.  I'll always be a huge Chet Lemon fan, but I know people that take him out routinely

see nokes hater thread for discussion of chet.  i agree with you big time.