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Cast your votes!    Who is the best firstbaseman in RBI?

This is a tough one, folks.

Donnie Baseball gets my vote.  He's not the slowest guy around, has tons of thunder in the bat, and is a lefty.

McGwire hits a lot of "at 'em" balls.  When he's hot, there's few better, but I've not had as much luck with him as I have Mattingly.

Darrell Evans in a landslide.... 

Shitpaw (in one of his previous incarnations) did a poll for each position, you can see the results of those puhls in the Online Poll portion of Best Players By Position on the Rankings Page:

http://dee-nee.com/rbi/rankings.shtml

DaEvns gets a slight edge over Mac since he's a lefty.  If my memory serves me, I do better with Evans than McGwire anyway.

If we are playing straight pitch (batting practice stlye), I might go with skinny Mac.

Evans is the man!

Darrell Evans is the clear choice here. Second most power in the game...that is all.

Quote from: fightonusc on 05/11/05, 02:25:49 PM
Darrell Evans is the clear choice here. Second most power in the game...that is all.

I put Darrell Evans as 3rd best 1b--McGwire and Mattingly ahead of him.

Are you guys serious?  No way in hell Mattingly is better than Evans, come on people!  We're talking about nearly a 100 point power difference...

McGwire I can see, he's powerful and has the PH bonus.  I didn't even notice him on there because I consider him a "bench" player and not a 1B.

Agreed. McGwire is a PH in the game and not a 1B.

Evans, no one comes close

I'm going to go against the grain here and vote for Darrell Evans.

Darrell Evans without question.  I am a bit surprised that nobody has given any love to Wally Joyner. 

If we want to get technical there are truly no positions in RBI, as the "fielders" are all the same.  Positions are strictly made up for the instruction manual...

JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans.  I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

Mattingly is alot better than Evans, in my dumb opinion.

Mattingly is faster and has better contact.  Both players have great power. . . . Evans' homers might travel farther but that's only good for sex appeal. . . . which evans needs a lot of. . . . . not that i'm saying Mattingly is sexy.

It's Ryno's puhl, if he wants to include McGwire, I've got no problem with that.  By the way I voted for WClark, mostly due to contact (just for Gantry, I really don't know off hand that Clark has better contact than Evans, I think I just use SF more than Det)

Does the contact penalty reduce power by just the contact rating, or a multiple of it?  If it removes just the contact value, Evans is still way more powerful than Mattingly even with the penalty.

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

It sure does, you homer (smiley) - you didn't really say anything that makes him better.  But he does play better for you, which is the most important thing...  So I'll let it slide...

I cast my vote for Will Clark.  I don't know what his power numbers are or what his contact rating is or whatever.  But he's a fucking rock in the 5 spot for SF.

Every ball I hit with him is absolutely killed and he's consistent which is something I cannot say for DaEvans. That slow bastard is too hot or cold for my tastes. He definitely hits the longest bombs and when he is on, watch out.

I'm the lone vote for Jack Clark...He's obviously not better than a bunch of them (but if that was the case, why let the fans vote??)...And he doesn't produce well enough for me as Mattingly does for JoeD...However, in that lineup, Anything Goes style, with him being pitched around, there is NOTHING (in RBI, or life) that is more satisfying than hitting a bomb with him.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

Far be it for me to continue an RBI thread off track...But the Yankees are embarking on a 46 game winning streak...

Tino himself, a 45 game HR streak...Tino of course took over the Don Mattingly who is the starting 1st baseman on the all star team (or some other way to relate this post to RBI)

Jack Clark is better than Darrell Evans

Quote from: Attezzobal on 05/11/05, 09:07:59 PM
Far be it for me to continue an RBI thread off track...But the Yankees are embarking on a 46 game winning streak...

Tino himself, a 45 game HR streak...Tino of course took over the Don Mattingly who is the starting 1st baseman on the all star team (or some other way to relate this post to RBI)

Jack Clark is better than Darrell Evans

I oft refer to Jack Clark as "Jack Meoff"

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 05:57:15 PM
It sure does, you homer (smiley) - you didn't really say anything that makes him better. But he does play better for you, which is the most important thing... So I'll let it slide...

I said he more often times gets the advantage in pitcher match ups...that can be the difference maker right there.

Evans scares me every time he's at bat.  hes scarry like a naked homeless man pulling one off out in the street, then decides he wants to run and tackle you.
and thats scarry!

Quote from: TecmoBowlTerror on 05/12/05, 08:57:11 AM
Evans scares me every time he's at bat.  hes scarry like a naked homeless man pulling one off out in the street, then decides he wants to run and tackle you.
and thats scarry!

good analogy

QuoteI said he more often times gets the advantage in pitcher match ups...that can be the difference maker right there.

Exactly, I agree...   You didn't give any reasons why he was better overall, but how he was better for you.  The pitching matchups give Mattingly the edge, making him a better player for you.   The puhls are personal, so I accept your answer...

We straight homie?

Quote from: Ryno on 05/11/05, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

................ Only a Red Sox fan would understand *shakes head in disapointment*

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:13:33 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/11/05, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

................ Only a Red Sox fan would understand *shakes head in disapointment*

I'm a cubs fan, so I'm an expert at sucking  :-X

Quote from: Ryno on 05/12/05, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:13:33 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/11/05, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

................ Only a Red Sox fan would understand *shakes head in disapointment*

I'm a cubs fan, so I'm an expert at sucking  :-X

I wanted a cubs redsox world seriers last year

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:18:40 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/12/05, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:13:33 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/11/05, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

................ Only a Red Sox fan would understand *shakes head in disapointment*

I'm a cubs fan, so I'm an expert at sucking  :-X

I wanted a cubs redsox world seriers last year

I wanted a NOT Cubs and NOT Redsox world series last year.

Quote from: Gantry on 05/12/05, 09:12:08 AM

QuoteI said he more often times gets the advantage in pitcher match ups...that can be the difference maker right there.

Exactly, I agree... You didn't give any reasons why he was better overall, but how he was better for you. The pitching matchups give Mattingly the edge, making him a better player for you. The puhls are personal, so I accept your answer...

We straight homie?

No, we're still gay because I don't get what you're saying.  Mattingly is better "overall" than Evans IMO because Mattingly gets to bat with a better match up more often.  It's the same as if I'd say, "Evans is better overall because his power is better." 

They're both facts that contribute to the player's success in the game.

Also, I am not a straight statistics scouter (as stock clearly is)...nothing wrong with that, but I personally do not scout/evaluate solely/mostly on power/contact/speed ratings.

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/12/05, 10:24:24 AM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:18:40 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/12/05, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/12/05, 10:13:33 AM

Quote from: Ryno on 05/11/05, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: PHole717 on 05/11/05, 08:41:41 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/11/05, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 05/11/05, 04:18:54 PM
JoeD, after your impressively well-thought out prose on putting Dave Henderson in from the beginning, I simply have to hear your theory on how Mattingly is better than Evans. I'm calling it "amateur" - booyah!

And if you say contact, I'm going to vomit on my keyboard....

I should like to answer "contact" just for the simple fact that you'll vomit on your keyboard. 

Actually, my answer is probably more that:

1) Mattingly was always my favorite player as a kid
2) the Yankees (my favorite team since childhood--when I started playing RBI) are only represented by a few players
3) I get more/better production out of Mattingly than Darrell.  I'm positive that I really do.  Perhaps this is a function of my foundness for Mattingly--eventually that shit feeds on itself (much like your success with Spilman, Wilfong, etc and your failures with Lake, etc).

I do acknowledge that Evans' power minus contact is still greater than Mattingly's power, so it can't be the contact rating.  I do know that Mattingly is a heck of a lot faster, but he's not exactly Vince Coleman, so that difference is only very subtle. 

I suppose it mostly comes down to the fact that when I play with Dt, my oponent usually throws a rightie pitcher at me.  When I play with Am, my opponent usually throws a lefty pitcher at me.  I much prefer to bat the same hand as the pitcher, so naturally, Mattingly enjoys the "match up" advantage much more than Evans does.

Does that restore your faith in my knowledge of the game that is RBI?

Yankees suck.

posts such as this take about as much thought as the "cubs suck" posts posted by pieces of human shit all over this fucking world.


But you are right, the yankees do suck.

................ Only a Red Sox fan would understand *shakes head in disapointment*

I'm a cubs fan, so I'm an expert at sucking  :-X

I wanted a cubs redsox world seriers last year

I wanted a NOT Cubs and NOT Redsox world series last year.

Well you had the redsox because they Own everything. Or Owned I should say, because they aren't doing as well this year.

We are not disagreeing about anything here, so I'm graciously bowing out.  It's all semantics about the term "overall" at this point...

Yeah but we're still gay, right?  just not together (at least until tourney time).

Absolutely...