Hey, amigos. I had to take a short leave of absence from the forums to accomodate my 6-day work week for a while. Anyway, I'm back and I'm going to start some hardcore recruiting/planning for the 4th COTUT in June '06.
I'm considering a slight format change in the COTUT. We're going to continue as planned with the 16 player, $100 entry fee tournament. In addition to this tournament, I'd like to add another 16 player tournament with a decreased entry fee of $25 per person. I think this would allow for a slight separation between the highly competitive players and those looking for more friendly matchups.
Your thoughts/opinions are greatly appreciated.
I think an El Cheapo tournament is a great idea.
good werk beales...your bound to find a diamond in the rough with this lower fee tourney. there could be a guy or 2 that comes out of that and decides further down the line that they want to be in the cotut in following years.
Lips was the 2005 D.I.T.R. in my mind. For a straight pitch guy he was damn competative. the RBI gods musta smiled on him for his ATG work to get Gantry up to speed, only to have Gantry have to pull out and Lips take over.
Damn you Lips...you nixxed my chances at making a really impressive showing at the tourney. ;)
I thought I nixed your chances to make an impressive showing at the tourney? BOOYAH!
Quote from: fknmclane on 10/09/05, 10:55:30 AM
I thought I nixed your chances to make an impressive showing at the tourney? BOOYAH!
well you too, but if i beat Lips i advance to the 3rd round in the winners bracket. to me that woulda been an impressive run in unknown waters.
i look forward to us playing again.....it was as fun as the games nate and i play.
I think this is a winning idea, Beales!
I like it also, I don't think I'd donate the $100, but I'd certainly play in the $25. Good call
Beales, welcome back to the land of Dih-Nih!
I think you would definitely get people to play in the smaller entry tourney.
Quote from: TBT on 10/09/05, 10:49:51 AM
Lips was the 2005 D.I.T.R. in my mind. For a straight pitch guy he was damn competative. the RBI gods musta smiled on him for his ATG work to get Gantry up to speed, only to have Gantry have to pull out and Lips take over.
Damn you Lips...you nixxed my chances at making a really impressive showing at the tourney. ;)
TBT, thanks for the kind words. We really had a great fkn series. A lot of screaming and shouting and rawness (uhhhh...what?), and you thinking the game/series was over in the top of the ninth of Game 2 when I took the lead...only for you to come back in the bottom and win. A lot of ups and downs. Very fun.
Welcome back Beales, and an early kudos for doing all the work for the COTUT. The only downside I see to this format is getting the 16 folks to pay $100. I think most of the dee-nee members outside of Dirt/Riley would prefer the $25 tourney, you think you can get 16 at $100? And if so, are you going to get 16 top-flight guys?
Lips, that was funny looking back at me thinking it was over.......i was pretty crushed by that homer you hit, and the dread set in. thanks to Downing for giving me new life. BTW thats the way RBI should be..lots of screaming, yelling, and excitement.
The 100 dollar one has its upside for the DeeNee'ers. Quicker elimination makes for more drinking at the pool,parking lot, golf course, crawl space, etc, etc...
COTUT comes but one every two years and if its also gonna be the official DeeNee fast as well then i could easily pony up the hundred if they needed a few extra competitors.
is the cotut and dee-nee fest one and the same this year?
Quote from: Gantry on 10/10/05, 12:47:01 PM
You think you can get 16 at $100? And if so, are you going to get 16 top-flight guys?
According to the current lineup (www.rbibaseballcotut.com/2006.html) we already have 11 players signed up for the $100 tournament. And that list
doesn't include those contingencies from Texas and Massachusetts. Of course, we'd have to offer those who have already paid the option to drop down into the $25 tourney. But I don't see many players taking that route.
So to answer your question... yes, I think we'd easily get 16 'AAA' players to join for $100. And I have no doubt we'd find 16 players for the 'AA' tourney.
Quote from: malnuboy on 10/10/05, 04:01:30 PM
The 100 dollar one has its upside for the DeeNee'ers. Quicker elimination makes for more drinking at the pool,parking lot, golf course, crawl space, etc, etc...
On the flip-side, placing in the $25 tourney will earn you enough money to buy a few rounds and/or $25 shouldn't be enough of a loss to discourage you from drinking throughout the tournament.
Quote from: Ryno on 10/10/05, 07:41:22 PM
is the cotut and dee-nee fest one and the same this year?
I have to catch up on what's being planned for Dee-Nee Fest. But the sole purposes of adding the 'AA' tourney to the COTUT were to bring everyone together for the same weekend and have everyone play some Ribbie (whether competitively or more friendly). I think they should be separate... unless Gantry wants to take over the 'AA' tourney. If so, then we could hold these two tournaments during the same weekend at the same hotel, resulting in a weekend long RBI-palooza.
I have no desire to drop down to the lower fee tourney. Bring on the Pro's!
Bumpst.
So who's already confirmed?
1. Mike Beales (Illinois)
2. Jeff Bandur (Illinois)
3. Marshall Dostal (California)
4. Ed Ramirez (Massachusetts)
5. Michael Gosk (California)
6. Joe Cordiano (Ohio)
7. Mike Riley (Ohio)
8. Chad Kuker (Iowa)
9. Brian Lincoln (Iowa)
10. Brad Bell (Iowa)
11. Colin Foster (Illinois)
12. Scott Noble (Mississippi)
13. Seth Silverblatt (Mississippi)
14. Tyler Masterson (Illinois)
15. Carl Taft (Illinois)
16. Ronnie Cook (Massachusetts)
So are we bumpsting this to 24-32 players? Great job getting it filled in record time!
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/14/05, 09:26:11 AM
So are we bumpsting this to 24-32 players? Great job getting it filled in record time!
That would become even more of a nightmare to run, but having a seperate cheap tourney still seems like a good idea.
A 24 player roster would meet the demand, but byes would have to be incorporated somehow. I'm not sure if we could find 16 additional players to join a $100 tourney. It's up in the air right now...
I have to talk to Gantry and see what his plans are for a tourney next summer. I don't want to interfere with anything he's planning.
Could we not examine the possibility of 4 6 team round robin mini tourneys, with the top two of each competing in a round 2, 8 man tourney, conventional cotut style?
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/14/05, 11:56:38 AM
Could we not examine the possibility of 4 6 team round robin mini tourneys, with the top two of each competing in a round 2, 8 man tourney, conventional cotut style?
The main problem with pool play when you are paying to say 4 spots, is you could be the 3rd best player at the tourney, get put into a pool with #1 and #2, and not advance, which would suck.
That's one possibility. Another I was thinking of would be to just simply set up 24 players as usual, 12 in each bracket. There wouldn't be any byes until the third round of the championship bracket (top/winner's bracket). In the third round, there would be three players left. A 'strength of victory' average could be calculated for each of those players' first two series. Whoever has the highest average would automatically receive the bye for that round.
We could base the average off numerous stats... avg margin of victory, avg margin of series victory, or even more detailed stats such as hits and strike outs. My roomate and I created an average like that a couple years ago. I believe we based it off of hits, strikeouts, and runs (with each accounting for a particular percentage of the equation).
Ultimate brings up a strong point. With the above mentioned setup, nobody with hardcore skills would be eliminated that quickly. At worst, they'd drop to the consolation bracket and still have a chance to win it all.
Well, that is why I said to have the top two from each mini-tourney advance...'cause under the current 16 player set up, the 3rd best player still doesn't necessarily get 3rd place...he could face player #1 in rd 1 and have player 1 beat player 2 in round 2...making player 2 and 3 play in loser's bracket...
But anyway, it's good that we're discussing the possibilities...it's definitely a start.
Off of the top of my head, I think I'd be opposed to an average system (not that I have a say in the matter--this is simply for purposes of a healthy discussion and meant to ultimately create the best possible COTUT--you know I'm already a huge fan of your work in this field). I say that just because in RBI, much like in baseball--it isn't really germane as to how many hits you have...only runs. Plus, those who take take take are penalized...despite the strategy being a recommended one my most RBI experts.
From my perspective, the "B" tourney would simply be a way to get more folks playing RBI. I hope to plan the next Dee-Nee gathering at the same time as your COTUT. It will be mass chaos but I think that is the best way to get as many folks in chicago as we can. I think most dee-nee members want to play RBI and meet up with everyone else.
Folks like mclane, fighton, flood (if he can get up) etc will love to get some RBI in while we meet up with everyone else, just like in Columbus. We're too cheap and lack the skills for the big tourney, but still want to meet up with hardcore RBI'ers and dee-nee regulars...
That probably didn't make any sense, but I think I need to start planning things a bit better...
Yeah, that is true, too. That's why I had the different levels of entry fee in the OH tourney--but a "B" tourney probably makes more sense 'cause you don't have any "A" tourney players getting the luck of the draw in playing B type players.
The only hiccup with that is if there are any A players who still want to play....they now have no choice but to join tourney B and easily run the table.
I do know of four A players that had the intention of joining (Attezz, Octo, Steve Katz, and Josh Payne)...
well like I said before if this little shin-dig is indeed the DEENEE fest as well then I'm in!
B-team ofcourse.
I think I could compete with the big buys but there are a few things standing in the way, namely the fact that it is already full, that I have a bit of what could be characterized as an "alcohol problem" and that I'm a cheap bastard.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 11/14/05, 02:34:44 PM
Well, that is why I said to have the top two from each mini-tourney advance...'cause under the current 16 player set up, the 3rd best player still doesn't necessarily get 3rd place...he could face player #1 in rd 1 and have player 1 beat player 2 in round 2...making player 2 and 3 play in loser's bracket...
I think I hear what you're saying. The only other drawback is that people would be joining a $100 tournament and might not even have the opportunity to play in the real deal if they get knocked out of the mini-tourney. That would really suck. Anyway, I really feel having mini-tournaments before the actual one would be too time consuming. We'd have to throw in a whole extra day to accomplish that because the 16 player tourney is on a tight enough schedule as is. We're going to have to work on this or simply deal with the fact that there aren't enough roster spots to meet the demand. I can't imagine turning players down though if they want to play.
Quote from: Gantry on 11/14/05, 02:36:17 PM
Folks like mclane, fighton, flood (if he can get up) etc will love to get some RBI in while we meet up with everyone else, just like in Columbus. We're too cheap and lack the skills for the big tourney, but still want to meet up with hardcore RBI'ers and dee-nee regulars...
Has 'Dee-Nee Fest' been defined yet? If so, is it going to consist of a tournament? I was under the impression (and hoping) that a tournament would be a part of the festivities. If that's the case, then there's probably not a need for the COTUT to host a "B" tourney if most of those participating in it would be in the Dee-Nee tourney. Any help I can get to alleviate the physical/mental drain that goes along with organizing a potential 32 player tournament is greatly appreciated. Either way, it should be mandatory that the COTUT and Dee-Nee Fest occur during the same weekend.
That is the plan, to have a cheaper version of the COTUT during the same weekend, along with all the other festivities. The next question is logistics - if we hold both tourneys at the same time, would they be at the same place? I would gladly offer up the dee-nee house, but I odn't know if it is large enough for two full tourneys. That and if it was all done at one hotel people don't have the problems with travel...